Quotes from the Walk It Back Chronicles: Obama Aide Says No Threat Seen of 'Double-Dip' Recession

[Karmadillo]

Thank heavens the debt ceiling kabuki sent a reassuring message. Imagine if it had sent a message not so reassuring.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/08/03/bloomberg1376-LPD2V66S972C01-3LPN3ORIVLLLKBMH0PO2KP92R5.DTL

Aug. 3 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. isn't facing the threat of a double-dip recession even as "challenges" remain to robust growth and job creation, White House press secretary Jay Carney said.

"We do not believe that there is a threat there of a double-dip recession," Carney said at a White House briefing.

He said a deal struck by the adminstration and Congress to raise the federal debt ceiling and cut into the budget deficit should send a "reassuring message around the world" that the government is serious about balancing the budget.


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[tridim]

1. There is no negative growth, yet.

That said, what do you want from the Administration?

"EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!!!11111 SELL SELL SELL!!!!!11" ?

Really, is that what you want?

[Karmadillo]

2. Can there be signs of a double dip recession without having negative

growth yet? Say, a declining ISM report, chronically high unemployment, low consumer confidence, chaos in Europe etc.? Carney doesn't need to panic people, but the administration might have more credibility if they demonstrated some vague familiarity with reality.

[tridim]

3. Yes, but it requires three sucessive quarters of negative growth.

No need to panic, or cause undue panic while we're still in recovery, tepid as it is.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Ok

http://www.npr.org/2011/08/04/138989729/double-dip-is-u-s-headed-for-another-recession

http://www.insidefutures.com/article/301440/Markets%20Betting%20on%20Double-Dip%20Recession.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2011/0531/Double-dip-in-home-prices-is-official-and-prices-could-drop-more

They'd have more credibility if they actually faced what the rest of us now know.

Technically you are right that we have had no contraction YET, but we are well on our way...

And we could use some leadership from DC... not expecting it... but we could.

[tridim]

7. Screaming "PANIC!" would make him non-credible in my view.

He's not stupid. He knows that would play right into the teaterrorist's hands.

He showed leadership the other day talking about his plans for a prosperous and PROGRESSIVE future.

If I remember correctly you ignored all of it because he wasn't building a bridge while he was speaking. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, damned just because you hate him.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. So telling us the economy is not doing good

equals spreading panic.

Mr. Orwell, you are getting paged here.

[tridim]

9. He has said the recovery is fragile many times.

That is not the same as screaming PANIC!. It's not even in the same ballpark.

He has also pointed out that the GOP and teabaggers in Congress need to get serious about creating jobs, which I assume you think is bad BAD BAD!!! Bad Obama.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. If I say the sky is blue you wil think I am blaming him for it

if I say the sky is orange (and under certain conditions it could be, not just in present day Earth) you would say I blame Obama.

It si quite clear.

So the sky is blue...

Should I include puppies



Yep that's Obama;s fault too.. that cuteness has to be his fault too, and lead to PANIC I tell you, run fer them hills

Get it through your head, I disagree with a lot of the policy, but unlike you, I do my best not to be disagreeable.

Oh and there is something about honey... and bees... and you are not using that technique.

Lesser evilism will NOT get this man reelected... no matter how hard you try.

[tridim]

11. What the fuck are you talking about?

I place blame when the President or Democrats are blamed for things they didn't do.

Shame on me for defending our party.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Patterns, that is what I am talking about

and that is the difference between you and me. I do not blindly defend a party. In fact, I'd love for this party to remember some of the roots before it moved right. It is losing the coalition that brought it to power.

I know parties change, and both have changed...

I will bluntly say it and you might believe it is a personal attack, it is not... both sides have true believers as defined by Eric Hoffer. The Democratic party has worked best for THE PEOPLE, the LITTLE PEOPLE, when it has accepted the criticism from it's left flank instead of throw it UNDER THE now very large bus



You honestly believe people will get on the bus when they live under it? This is honest, you believe that?

[tridim]

14. I don't play the "under the bus" game

I will always defend our party on the Internets when it is slandered or blamed for things it didn't do by people who know better. Simply stated, lies piss me off.

I defend my party personally because I am a Democrat. It has nothing to do with faith, or perfection.

No human is perfect, but I don't hate the entire human race and make up blanket bullshit about humanity because of it. But lie to my face, you're going to hear from me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Then you fall in the category of the true believer

right or wrong, leave my party alone.

A little more political sophistication, not directed at you, the WH could use this... would explain to them WHY THE COALITION IS FALLING APART.

The bus is just an analogy. By the way, well before the internets, the argument of the Carter WH was.. elect us, we are less bad than the other guy. We both know how that second term went, don't we?

[tridim]

17. Absolutely not, did you not read my post?

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Yes, but patterns are there

Every time anybody has a smidgen of criticism, valid or not, we can expect you.

By the way bravo for getting the FAA funded, I need to see the details though to see, expected, how much or what exactly, was conceded.

[tridim]

19. Criticism is fine, lies are not.

Six words, very easy to understand.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. No, criticism is not allowed

and by the way, the put it on the table, going back to that one... was told to us by a MEMBER OF CONGRESS, a DEMOCRAT, in the LEADERSHIP... so was he lying to?

[tridim]

21. I'd have to see the quote, but I know that Obama's stated position on the issue is..

"No benefit cuts", "Protect SS and Medicare" from the Republicans who want to privatize both, and reform, if it happens will take place on the "provider side" of the equation.

The lie I usually respond to is, "Obama wants to gut Medicare and SS". That is simply not true, it is INVALID criticism.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. That congress critter is Conyers

you can go ahead and google it up. It was posted HERE on DU repeteadly... oh wait, here you go

http://www.crewof42.com/cbc/conyers-on-jobs-weve-had-it-lays-out-obama-calls-for-protest-at-white-house/

YOU CAN listen to the Congressman...

So I will ask again, was Conyers lying too?

By the way, he is a SENIOR member of Congress and privy to the negotiations.

So was he lying?

[tridim]

25. Technically no, because he just said cuts, not cuts to benefits.

That is in line with Obama's position. He wants cuts on the PROVIDER side to guarantee the people continue to get benefits in the future.

Notice he didn't say "Obama wants to gut SS and Medicare"?

He also didn't say that the Republicans do want to gut SS and Medicare. Not just benefits, the whole program.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. I guess he lied

and that is the point people have made here, repeatedly.

As I said above, the coalition that brought this man to the WH is... best case, pummeled, worst case, breaking up. Lesser evilism will not get people to vote for him.

So start thinking on that honey approach... and yes, the WH should start listening to his left frank, instead of making fun of it. (Whether it is reality or perception, in the political world perception is reality). This is the more than just honest truth. Time is short, or we will be talking of the failure to keep the WH... that is where the shoals are right now.

[Bluerthanblue]

16. wow-

very well said. I appreciate the way you put this, and share your perspective.

[Taverner]

23. I wonder how much they pay him or her?

Let's hope its good enough for her or him to sleep at night, knowing their record of lies...

[girl gone mad]

6. There is no law which requires people to adopt NBER's definition of recession.

It is what it is. There has been no recovery for the productive class.

[roguevalley]

4. well, I am glad to hear this from some aide. I'm sure that reassures

the 99'ers a great deal. that is the barometer that truly counts. how many people are homeless and hungry in this jackshit country. that is the fuel for the fire that someone will light. Count on it.

[Warren DeMontague]

13. ***

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpfchv-WU64

[woo me with science]

22. The chocolate ration has been increased.

We have always been at war with Eastasia.

Kicked and recommended.