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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:03 AM Original message |
The Democratic Party has been infiltrated. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
1. I disagree |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
66. do you think he's a conservative? |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #66 |
72. No |
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fadedrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #72 |
262. Me neither... |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #66 |
78. Yes....A moderate one but a conservative for sure |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #78 |
129. Yes, and I believe... |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #129 |
161. Well said. nm |
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SusanaMontana41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #129 |
165. Excellent observation. n/t |
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Mosaic (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 08:13 AM Response to Reply #129 |
238. The "mainstream" |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #238 |
248. Absolutely, but... |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 03:43 AM Response to Reply #78 |
224. not so "moderate", by far. nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
127. You're saying 20 years of Koch Bros. infiltration of the party had no effect on it---???? |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 08:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
167. Obama demanded cuts in Social Security - Republicans did not ask for them |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #167 |
170. No he did not.His approach did not affect recipients and he demanded nothing but discussion |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #170 |
171. See what is really happening to our democracy please go to alecexposed.org. see what it is |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #170 |
184. Nonsense. That is absolutely untrue. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #170 |
204. Obama put Social Security and Medicare on the table. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 12:47 AM Response to Reply #170 |
217. Yes -- Obama put Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid "on the table" ... !! |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #167 |
177. I don't think that's accurate. If he had, they would be in the Satan deal. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #177 |
185. He didn't just offer "something." He offered 650 BILLION in cuts |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #185 |
195. I respect Krugman, but I find no facts to support $650B in cuts to the 3 programs. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #195 |
205. The Social Security Trust Fund has plenty of money to |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 12:48 AM Response to Reply #205 |
218. SOCIAL SECURITY $2.7 TRILLION TRUST FUND -- Plus still runs surplus ... !! |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 06:46 AM Response to Reply #195 |
235. Obama said it himself. Here: |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #235 |
246. *crickets* |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 08:56 AM Response to Reply #195 |
240. Social Security is Solvent |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 12:45 AM Response to Reply #177 |
216. Obama -- not GOP -- put Social Security and Medicare on the table -- see Conyers comments ... !! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #177 |
255. Untrue. He did not, from the beginning, recommend cuts to OASDI. He said the cap |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 09:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
196. Bruce Reed was in almost every frame of the "behind the scenes"... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #196 |
258. Is Geithner explaining what he will be offering up to the Rethug Gods? |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
2. some "specifics" would be nice, mm-kay? |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #2 |
15. Been asleep for two and a half years? nt |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #15 |
44. very impressive |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #44 |
86. Third Way attempts to deflect from discussion of policy |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. No specifics there, either! eom |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #92 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 05:39 AM Response to Reply #101 |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 09:06 AM Response to Reply #92 |
241. Well how about |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #92 |
269. The thread is full of specifics, as is the rest of DU. |
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CleanGreenFuture (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
87. How can you not see it? Have you been hiding under a rock? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
107. Obama's policies are straight from their think tank. |
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klook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #107 |
118. Holy shit. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #118 |
166. their ideology leads to fascism |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #107 |
172. “[I]n 2 yrs Obama's done more to enact a liberal agenda than George Bush did a conservative agenda i |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #172 |
173. Sure glad he saved millions of jobs by bailing out the auto industry.No more torture |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 12:54 AM Response to Reply #172 |
219. David Frum would certainly tell us the truth -- |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 06:22 AM Response to Reply #107 |
233. Obama's polices are from his 2008 platform |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
3. It IS aiming for the same goal at a different pace... |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #3 |
51. Not sure it is at a slower pace anymore -- That Debt Bill pushed it ahead pretty good |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
4. What is it with you and the Third Way? |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Woo is trying to scare Democrats into not voting for Democrats. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. No, you are trying to scare people into voting for Republicans in Democrat suits. nt |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Do you consider President Obama to be a "Republican in Democrat suit?" |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. When did defending the cutting of Medicare and SS benefits become a Democratic position? nt |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. The opposite of that statement is true. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #20 |
37. Be careful what you ask for. Here's your reality sandwich: |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #37 |
45. First quote is not referring to SS and Medicare benefits |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Yes -- Maybe it's just food stamps, or training money |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Obama didn't and won't cut food stamps, your post is pure FUD. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #55 |
73. Why does SS need reform?? Considering it's the most |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:30 PM Response to Reply #73 |
207. Because Wall Street wants more money to steal. |
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Shining Jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 12:20 AM Response to Reply #73 |
212. +1 |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 03:48 AM Response to Reply #212 |
225. Thank you! |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #55 |
90. You sure about that? Look at the size of what is going to be cut in... |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Yes, I'm sure. I'll bet my EBT card on it. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. If you do have one of those cards, I hope your faith in Obama holds true |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Why do you think he wants that? |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #96 |
109. His very basic premise supports that |
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Muskypundit (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #96 |
123. Holy crap. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #123 |
134. +1000% -- Thank you -- |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #123 |
138. Obama sought $650 BILLION in cuts to Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security, to be precise. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #123 |
140. Well said. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #123 |
154. +1000 |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #123 |
260. +1000 |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 12:57 AM Response to Reply #93 |
221. LOL |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:17 PM Response to Reply #55 |
200. Oh. look shiny. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:20 AM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Peeking at a typical 'conservative' board, I read poor people are 'lazy' |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #45 |
58. Deleted message |
sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #45 |
110. Who created |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 12:56 AM Response to Reply #110 |
220. +1 -- this new "deal" by Obama is going to worsen what already is a near-depression.... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
131. The mask is off --- it's over -- |
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lonestarlib (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
83. One only has to read some of Third Way's own publications |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. Yep. Follow the money. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 12:58 AM Response to Reply #83 |
222. Thank you for the info -- |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #37 |
132. Obama already knocked out COLA payments -- two years now ... and probably 2012 as well-- !!! |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:43 PM Response to Reply #132 |
157. You are absolutely right. It isn't just starting. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 12:13 AM Response to Reply #157 |
210. Good thread, woo -- needed to be done -- !! |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
201. That post should be in everyone's bookmarks. |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 12:06 AM Response to Reply #37 |
209. Good job, woo. Really well done. n/t |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #20 |
64. He said it at the G20 Conference last year. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #64 |
91. Great post. Thank you. nt |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
126. Forget the 'statements' - look at what he DOES. |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
139. Almost any cut is at-best an indirect cut to benefits... |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #19 |
176. You need to look at the details of his "proposal" for "discussion".Recipients were not affected on t |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #176 |
178. Waste and abuse and a smarter way to make it more efficient.So quick to condemn Obama. |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #178 |
179. The GOP's one main goal is make Obama a one term president and blind you |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #179 |
182. Blind you to all his accomplishments...in just 2yrs.Bet you can't remember any of them. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 09:38 PM Response to Reply #178 |
188. Nonsense. |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #178 |
249. the mythical waste, fraud and abuse that they've been chasing for decades now |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #176 |
187. This is absolutely false. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 04:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
106. I certainly do, Mr. Stubbs. I didn't three years ago when I was working my ass off for him, |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Me? Not even fucking close. I'm 100% pure Democrat. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #18 |
54. Two Words -- Financial Deregulation |
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BNJMN (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #18 |
67. Only a 100%? |
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makeMOblue (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
192. 100% pure democrats need to be in charge of the party |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
124. Trying to warn people to not vote for Third Wayers who just call themselves Democrats |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #4 |
25. The Third Way are NOT Democrats. They are Repukes pretending to be Dems. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #25 |
63. Definitely! |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #63 |
183. Please go to alecexposed.org to see what is really happening.We are getting sidetracked on purpose |
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CleanGreenFuture (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
88. +1000 |
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Faygo Kid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #25 |
144. +2,000 |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
150. ! |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
100. Turd Way sucks? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
128. No -- what's with Dem candidates and the third way ... ? And Koch Bros DLC? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
5. I agree - and the infiltration has gone on for quite some time... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
6. Bill Clinton and Al Gore were DLC |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Better late than never. eom |
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global1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Will Someone Explain To Me What The DLC Is And Why It Is Bad?........ |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #14 |
26. Well, for starters, the Koch Bros. started the DLC, does that help? n/t |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. And Bradley Foundation $$$-- to Third Way. Isn't that nice? |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #14 |
27. Third Way/PPI/New Democrat |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #14 |
28. DLC = Democratic Leadership Council = Pro-Corporate Dems. |
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BNJMN (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #28 |
71. Is Debbie Schultz part of the DLC? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #71 |
84. I believe she is DLC. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #14 |
29. Read this |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #14 |
60. Basic Answer. It is a subgroup of Democrats. Not the DNC |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
56. Yeah so that's a good reason to do nothing now. Great logic |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #56 |
68. No |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #68 |
80. So why is trying to denigrate consersation about this not the same as ... |
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Shining Jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 12:23 AM Response to Reply #68 |
213. Er, you forgot the blue links of death... |
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Shining Jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 12:28 AM Response to Reply #68 |
214. Speaking of infiltration... |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
70. Um, many of us knew that |
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Fuddnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
99. One reason I refused to support Hillary Clinton. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
7. Solutions are only possible through recognition. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
62. Ha! Good luck with that one here. |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
10. Agreed |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
11. Tis amazing what unlimited money and a 24-7 media blitz can |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
12. Third Way Democrats |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
17. This is Democrats "Southern Strategy" |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
82. Southern strategy courted racist voters |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
21. I agree wholeheartedly. |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
22. Please define "we". |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #22 |
38. The argument here is a common tactic of Third Way Democrats. |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. That is not an answer. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:08 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. It is absolutely an answer. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #42 |
136. FDR Democrats. Good enough? Or do we need to define THAT for you? nt |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #22 |
57. Polmaven, it's not 'about the President' |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #22 |
65. No it does not mean that. This is much more important than whether he is a good man |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
135. No, agreeing with the Third Way New Democrat agenda, as the President does, |
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dtexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
23. It's not the first time we have suffered betrayal. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
30. BS |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #30 |
41. No Democrats would take Koch Brothers and Bradley Foundation $$$ |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #30 |
137. Horse puckey. The responsible way to get out of the wars |
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Cal33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
31. I think you may have a good point there. The Neocons inflitrated the Republican Party some |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #31 |
69. They have been doing the same thing for several decades |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
32. Actually, Thirdway, DL C runs the party, therefore we are more |
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alsame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
34. Rahm and Bruce Reed as chiefs of staff POTUS/VPOTUS kind |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
98. yes, along w/ Summers and Geithner |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
35. Every DLCer appointed, nominated or elected to a position is a future saboteur. |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
36. Democratic values?? That's SOOOO 1960's. n/t |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
39. The Sooner we can all admit this, the Better!!!! |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
40. I voted for a Democrat and ended up with a repuke. |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
43. There is no "Democratic Party"....not in the sense you're using the term. |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
46. Very true-- when they make reference to Dems voting for them because they 'have no other choice', |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #46 |
74. There is an actual alternative to voting for Conservative Democrap |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #48 |
75. I disagree partially |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #75 |
130. Yep. Votes, not dollars, must count. A large enough group vowing non-support of corporatists. |
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makeMOblue (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #75 |
194. amen |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
49. AMEN.....Many have been saying that for years. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
50. Though you are partially correct, parties change |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #50 |
61. I think we had better take a close look at the demographics of the "Third Way" Democrats, |
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makeMOblue (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #50 |
199. if you want a 10 year old tree... |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
53. +1,000 K&Ring. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #53 |
77. Hell, I would have been satisfied with "tweaking" if it had been in the proper direction |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
76. Not infiltrated. It's complete party capture. |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
79. I believe a purge is in order. n/t |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #79 |
147. If one doesn't believe in Medicare, SS, and taxing the rich, they're in the wrong party. |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
81. Basically, the DLC was replaced by the turd way |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #81 |
146. Here's my thoughts on the Turd Way! |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
85. We can't beat the republicans |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
95. That's right. There are powerful, moneyed insiders ruining this Party. |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
97. I think there is as much chance to reclaim this party |
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russspeakeasy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
102. New boss, same as the old boss. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
103. yep. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
104. Extending the wars is the key issue, the question should be why? |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #104 |
111. They are still trying to maintain the illusion that they want to end the wars. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #104 |
113. Yeah. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:52 PM Response to Reply #104 |
163. Actually I think they get away with the deception by showing pie charts of spending.... |
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on point (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
105. I think we need to develop a shadow government ala Britain |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
108. K&R. |
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blkmusclmachine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
112. In other news: water is wet. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
114. Kicked and recommended......nt |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
115. You betcha. nt |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
116. Third way is just a third way of saying DINO. nt |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
117. K & R - This is such a great thread. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
119. The two parties are exactly the same on economic issues - the only difference is stance on social |
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alsame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 07:47 AM Response to Reply #119 |
237. Exactly, the social 'wedge issues' are what distinguishes |
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pasto76 (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
120. Unrec - Democrats have been infiltrated by LIBERALS |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:25 PM Response to Reply #120 |
133. The idea that "liberals" could be seen as "infiltrating" the Democratic Party proves the OP's point. |
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democrank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #120 |
145. In case you missed it, pasto 76.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #145 |
164. 25% of casualties in drone attacks are civilians, |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #120 |
149. goofy |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #120 |
169. There are plenty of evil people in the world and the worst of the lot are in less danger of being |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:10 PM Response to Reply #120 |
198. Bizarre. n/t |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
121. The Third Way is a group of centrists |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
122. Bendict Arnold was a general. (His betrayal was reported as "unexpected" by economists in |
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whistler162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
125. Yes it has but you are welcome in the Democratic party anyways! |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
141. Gee. What makes you think THAT? |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 09:00 PM Response to Reply #141 |
181. Hey, Neighbor! |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #181 |
189. I still wretch when I remember Chuck Schumer fist pumping the air for her |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #181 |
243. That episode also clearly showed how FUTILE it is... |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #141 |
190. Thank you. |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
142. Why is "Liberal" such a bad name now? I love this quote by JFK |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #142 |
153. A lot of work and a lot of dollars went into demonizing the term. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #153 |
156. Still going on -- Obama's "tired ideologies" being a case in point |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #156 |
175. That's terrible way for him to say this. |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #153 |
174. I thought so, thank you! |
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MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:20 PM Response to Reply #153 |
202. That's for sure... |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
143. "Third Way" used to be called the "Democratic Leadership Council" |
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Dont call me Shirley (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
148. Third Way? or Third Reich? |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
151. We now take a sanity break to return to the regularly scheduled paranoid fringe nuttiness. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #151 |
155. I hope you appreciate the irony in that |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
152. Obama being infil-traitor in chief n/t |
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Metta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
158. By Trojan horse Republicans. |
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deacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
159. Yeah riiiight.The 'third way." aka another way to stifle votes for democrats in 2012. n/t |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
160. Who is the "we" that have been infiltrated. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. It's a big tent -- But people are pulling on the poles in different directions |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-11 07:24 AM Response to Reply #162 |
267. That's ALWAYS been true - that's why the party is called a big tent. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
168. The Third Way are suddenly all over NPR. |
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Chimichurri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 09:00 PM Original message |
Is Randi Rhodes one of them? Cuz she's blowin' my mind with the shit she's shoveling lately. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
186. For instance: nt |
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Chimichurri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 06:35 AM Response to Reply #186 |
234. She said this is a great deal. That the Republicans got nothing. she even backed that |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
180. So you're saying that YOU are the "REAL American" and not those who think different from you? |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #180 |
191. How do you "think different"? |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 09:50 PM Response to Reply #180 |
193. We're saying Republicans and neocons already have a party of their own. n/t |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
197. K&R....n/t |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
203. Third Way Democrats = reagan democrats. |
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orbitalman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-04-11 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
206. K & R |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
208. Much as DU has been |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 12:28 AM Response to Reply #208 |
215. Common sense, Saras. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #208 |
244. Actually, NO. |
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ConservativeDemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
211. Public service announcement to all crybabies... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 04:11 AM Response to Reply #211 |
227. Big Tent did not mean to include Republicans who found their own |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #227 |
245. +1 |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #245 |
270. I like that sig line! |
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ConservativeDemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #227 |
250. Wow -- project much? |
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BlueMTexpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 02:27 AM Response to Original message |
223. With the incessant attacks on "Democrats" and President Obama |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 05:41 AM Response to Reply #223 |
230. There are plenty of repuke DUers who unrecommend threads that are uncontroversially good for Dems |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #223 |
266. +1 |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 04:04 AM Response to Original message |
226. It's all show business for ugly people |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #226 |
259. Nice summary. nt |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 05:20 AM Response to Original message |
228. you should read chris hedges. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 05:58 AM Response to Original message |
231. circle d baby!``` |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 06:18 AM Response to Original message |
232. It is a myth to think that the "old" or "real" Democratic party |
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florida08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 07:35 AM Response to Original message |
236. Have to agree |
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a2liberal (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
239. K&R |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
242. If you don't like THIS democratic party, then maybe you need to go start a new one. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #242 |
251. Funny thing about the Third Way. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #251 |
252. You are saying you want to "reclaim" the party from some other group. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #252 |
253. LOL |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #253 |
254. Not really, I asked you how you were going to get the "bad dems" |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #254 |
256. Nonsense. You never asked me a thing. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #256 |
261. And in the body, I indicated that I can't see how you will get rid |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #261 |
264. Nice shift. That was truly a work of art. :) |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #264 |
265. Well, you've sort of answered the question ... I guess .... you have no |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-11 08:25 AM Response to Reply #265 |
268. You still haven't explained |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
247. Call them out |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #247 |
257. :) |
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fadedrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-11 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
263. I believe in the infiltration, but Obama is not an infiltrator - |
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