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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 06:08 PM
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If I applied for a job at McDonalds and they asked me
what I think about the food and I said, "I think the food here is VILE," then I would not expect to get the job.

If I applied for a job at WalMart and they asked me what I think about WalMart's products and I said, "I think WalMart sells cheap Chinese CRAP," then I would not expect to get the job.

If I applied for a job at Exxon and they asked me how I feel about Exxon and I said, "I think Exxon is a worldwide force for EVIL," then I would not expect to get the job.

Given that even the most liberal and most conservative of us would agree that a company should not hire someone who shows up for an interview and professes hatred for the company doing the hiring, how the fuck are politicians who express hatred for the government even elected?
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 06:09 PM
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1. A meme worth spreading for sure!
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 06:10 PM
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Because a lot of Americans hate their country, so they vote for people who will wreck it.
Yeah, a good chunk of that is greed. You destroy what you can't have and run off with the pieces you can carry.
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Kalidurga Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 06:18 PM
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4. Yeah if you don't like the idea we have a government...
go someplace that has no government and see how you like that.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 07:01 PM
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9. Like Haiti. That's a good example of what happens when gov't does nothing.
There was a massive earthquake there, as we're all aware, and several hundred thousand were killed, and the biggest reason is that the government did nothing to regulate housing/building standards; it left the free market to do that, and it cost lives. On the other hand, Chile also had a massive earthquake several months later, yet the death toll was only in the several hundred because, unlike Haiti, the government in Chile actually did step in and require certain standards be met when it came to construction of buildings and housing standards. Both countries suffered earthquakes that were powerful (Haiti, 7.0 magnitude; Chile, 8.8 magnitude).
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 07:02 PM
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11. Yep, Chile is a fine example, actually. The free market would've hated the standards Chile required.
The only buildings to fall when that Earthquake happened were pre-standardization. And in fact, some buildings that were undergoing Chinese construction that fell were going to be investigated (I never did look in to how that turned out).
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:20 PM
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20. Well, unlike Haiti, Chile doesn't enjoy the assiduous attention of the State Department.
Haiti is a good example of a nation under a government hollowed out by big money but Haitians have nothing to do with that.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:02 PM
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64. Just like the direction this country is going.
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 02:19 PM
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36. I was thinking of retiring to a place like that...
hey, could you give me a hand and rec a place with no government.?!

I'm really serious.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 07:23 AM
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30. Slight correction:
I don't think they hate their country, they just hate the people in their country who are not like them - and they resent even one penny of their tax dollars going even indirectly to those "others."
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 02:33 PM
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38. A country IS it's people.
So if you hate the people, you hate the country.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 07:34 AM
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32. They've also been duped by Saint Ronnie the Deceiver
"Gov't isn't the solution...gov't is the problem."

A strong government is only a problem for the wealthy who don't want to be taxed and for corporations/banksters that don't want to be regulated.
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 06:10 PM
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2. Simple
The government doesn't hire them. Other people who hate the government do.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 06:30 PM
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5. Pretty much.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 06:18 PM
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3. Therein lies the rub...
When TeaBaggers, Freepers, and delusional Republicans scream they hate "government,"they are really saying they love "corporate-bought government."

It always amuses me that we have greater freedom in "government by the people" than we do in "government by the corporation."

"Freedom loving" TeaBaggers, Freepers, and delusional Republicans love being told what to do...as long as it's a corporation telling them and not "the government."
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 06:45 PM
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7. By gosh: think you got it. Thanks for sharing
:thumbsup: :patriot:
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 07:12 PM
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13. "delusional Republicans love being told what to do"
Many of them have spent their lives going to churches that speak -- in their most Orwellian tone -- of the "freedom to obey".

That's all the reason I need not to want those fuckers in charge!
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canoeist52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 06:37 PM
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6. How are they elected? -computerized hackable voting systems?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 06:55 PM
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8. You left out the bromide about how they are going to change it.
It's really about having the ultimate power over people. It's a lot better than running some business
or corporation, the people you have power over can't quit.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 07:01 PM
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10. Good question, something I have wondered about myself. nt
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 07:08 PM
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12. Walmart sells cheap american crap to
Edited on Wed Aug-03-11 07:10 PM by Riftaxe
I picked up some American made shop lights there, biggest pieces of crap and so badly made they did not work. lights of America was the brand name, made in America.

I gave up and bought some good quality foreign made ones at Lowe's.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:24 PM
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21. Lights of America are pure crap.
They're built to Wally-World's price specification, which just furthers the meme that "They don't make anything that isn't crap in this country anymore!"
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:49 PM
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67. Agreed
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 05:00 PM by Riftaxe
the frame itself bent so much much (was very low quality aluminum) that the light tube could not make contact so I wound up salvaging the transformer and the contacts and making a wooden casing to light my attic :) heh money already spent, do what you can with it. The rest was folded up like linen and dumped in a recycling bin.

Shame it was not my attic that needed lighting tho :(

still takes a couple of power on's, to get it going, the transformer just lacks the juice required.
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 03:36 PM
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50. What brand were those American made shop lights?
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 07:32 PM
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14. Simply because many people are unsatisfied with the current government ...
and I have to admit that Congress seems incompetent at this time.

How long has it been since Congress agreed on a budget? Isn't that one of their jobs?

Are you happy with the reform to the medical system passed by the Democrats we elected? I might be wrong, but we had the most expensive medical system in the world and yet it didn't cover everybody nor was it the most effective. What we ended up with may well cost us more money and well be less effective.

Every single piece of important legislation is finalized at the last possible moment. Every serious piece of legislation is an emergency.

Both parties act like unsupervised children in a playground.

I personally attribute most of the problems to the Republicans especially the recently elected Tea Baggers. Still we did have control of three branches of government and we lost big time in the last election. While the majority of the blame for the economic situation we find our nation in, can be blamed on the previous administration, it does look bad that despite all the attempts at stimulating our economy we have not seen more jobs. Perhaps we would have been wiser to bail out main street rather than the banks and Wall Street. It could be argued that different actions might have led to another Great Depression rather than a Great Recession. Historians will argue this out in the future.

I overhear a lot of people who are very angry against our current government and even our President. What I fear is that we may end up after the next election with a bunch of representatives and a new President who will push through ideas that will destroy much of what we have worked for over decades. There is a growing movement that wants to "throw all the bums out." We may find ourselves with an amendment to the Constitution that requires the federal government to have a balanced budget. This could easy result in a future catastrophe.

There is no doubt that our government is spending far too much money. On the other hand there is also no doubt that the big corporations and the rich are not paying a fair share of the expense. In my opinion we need to make our government far more efficient at the same time we overhaul our tax system in order to make sure that both the rich and the big corporations pay a fair share.

How many generals do we need in the Pentagon? How many similar programs do we need to provide assistance to the needy? Why should GE avoid paying any taxes? Why should the rich get all sorts of exemptions when the average Joe doesn't? If lower taxes on the rich and the big corporations create jobs, why do we have an unemployment rate over 9%?

I fear that all our politicians are owned by and beholden to the rich and the big corporations. We elect them, but they do not represent us.

Unfortunately, I see no easy solutions to this problem.



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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:48 PM
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65. I suspect that HW Bush,
used his CIA acquired skills and had "w" installed. The end of Democracy in America. Bush as the head of the CIA had a lot of practice "fixing" elections.


I do not trust our current voting system. I have worked at voting centers. That only solidified my doubts.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 07:42 PM
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15. Because those who vote for them also hate the government and believe it is evil.
If you equate the voters who elect politicians with employers who hire people, then it's a question of what the employer wants the employee to accomplish. No business for profit would want employees who hate the business and want to dismantle it, but rightwingers and the politicians they vote for have a different objective -- they ostensibly WANT to dismantle the government. That's the job that wingnut voters WANT to accomnplish.

Of course, the politicians they vote for don't want to destroy the government -- they simply want to make it serve the interests of their REAL employers -- the top few percent who own most of this country already, but want more. The teabaggers are simply useful idiots who've swallowed a lot of BS that makes them hate their own government.

They supposedly worship the United States Constitution, but they either overlook or don't understand the first three words: WE THE PEOPLE.

WE THE PEOPLE (including the teabaggers) ARE -- or SHOULD BE -- the government.
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yawnmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 07:47 PM
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16. Because they are elected, not hired. The "management" isn't conducting a proper interview. eom
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Thurifer Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 10:43 PM
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25. exactly. They see themselves as like Corporate "Slashers"
who are hired to cut the workforce by 25%
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:11 PM
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17. Stop making so much sense! ;-)
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:15 PM
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18. are you sure those answers would disqualify you?
they might want you because youre less likely to steal their crap if you hate it.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 10:50 PM
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26. Touche
:(
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:16 PM
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19. I think the idea is that they express dislike for the current state of government,
and pledge to change it.

When you use language like "politicians who express hatred for the government" it sounds like you are speaking of anarchists.
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:29 PM
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22. And the best way to rob a bank and get away scot free is to be a bankster.
Friends in high places, and all.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 02:37 PM
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40. True that.
Before Hugo Chavez came to power in Venezuela, the heads of one of the powerful families would get appointed to head up one of the banks and then regular like clockwork one of the fuckers would empty the vaults (figuratively speaking) and fly out of the country to go live in switzerland or somewhere. You could set your calendar to it.

And it was always a different family of wealthy assholes. It was like they took turns emptying the peoples wallets and going shopping overseas never to be seen again.

The same thing has been happening here.

Banana anyone?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:34 PM
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23. Can I get fries with that?
Uhm, because the people doing the hiring, also hate the government.

I once read an article about how some people were going to be jailed for "contempt of Congress". I quipped "heck, if it's illegal to have contempt for Congress, they are gonna have to put the whole country in jail."
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:45 PM
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24. excellent question! n/t
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 05:26 AM
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27. accept the reality: people are crazy....
....and times are strange...-Bob Dylan
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 05:32 AM
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28. Oh please! Do you really think logic applies here?
Disconnect from reality in a psychotic break and you'll understand what's going on. As long as you think rationally you're going to be way off the mark.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 05:36 AM
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29. Nice..
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 05:37 AM by sendero
... but amazingly it's a pretty effective idea for a lot of Americans that are sure that our government is giving away something to other people.

Which it is of course, to big oil, big pharma and the MIC - but that doesn't bother them so much. It's those uppity welfare queens they just cannot stomach.

So, Americans are happy to continue the idiocy - and they will be until everything falls apart at which point they will blame everyone else. Sorta like the seniors that don't want Obamacare but want the government to keep their hands off their Medicare. You can't reason with people that retarded.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 07:27 AM
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31. Excellent!
:applause:
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RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 07:57 AM
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33. Just beautiful
You are always spot on - and this is brilliant once again
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 01:14 PM
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34. Well played.
:thumbsup:
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 02:14 PM
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35. Profound question
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 02:29 PM
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37. Because they're fascists. n/t
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 02:34 PM
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39. You raise a very logical and intelligent question.
- Which explains why the people who vote for conservatives would never think of it......

K&R




It's the only way to be sure.....
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 02:38 PM
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41. I'll take this logic one step further...
They HATE Government and get elected on the premise of dismantling it. But isn't turning on your own government and attempting to destroy it tantamount to treason, legally?

Rp
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 02:40 PM
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42. What about government
workers who subscribe to the far right objective of dismantling government. They do not want to lose their jobs. They believe they are so essential it will not affect them.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 02:40 PM
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43. A political office is not really a "job"
At Walmart, etc., the person gets to make the decision on their own who to hire. Or, the company has total control of it.

Politicians are elected by the voters at large.

I hate Republicans, but the fact is they are elected because people do believe government should stay out of many things. I can accept the reality of their having those positions without agreeing with them.

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yesphan Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 02:46 PM
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44. As I've said here many times before
I work for the gov't and am surrounded by people who rail against it continuously.
I've a feeling that they left that little bit out during their interview.
Also, it has been suggested to them, by me, that they resign their position so as
to avoid having to live as total hypocrites. No one has yet taken my advice.

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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 02:58 PM
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45. If I applied for a job at the White House and said I thought liberals were idiots and keynesian eco
economics was crap, I'd expect to get the job.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 04:50 PM
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58. You'd certainly make the finals. On the other hand,
if you professed an interest in helping the little guy, you'd swiftly be shown the door.
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 03:06 PM
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46. I have often wondered that myself.
I just want to say to Boner, "You are the fucking government asshole!!!"
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 05:22 PM
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62. We are all our "government" -- this is what so many idiots can't seem to figure out.
As a result, we seem to get the congressional folks we deserve.
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:35 PM
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66. Exactly right Lucky L!
:hi:
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 03:11 PM
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47. diebold and scotus worked before.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 03:12 PM
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48. Good Question!
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 03:26 PM
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49. fuckingA
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 03:42 PM
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51. Excellent, excellent post!!
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nostalgicaboutmyfutr Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 03:43 PM
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52. "If Republicans don't like government so much, then get out of it!" (I want this as bumbersticker.)
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 03:44 PM
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53. Good one, I like it. I think I'll post it as a facebook status.
:)
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 04:21 PM
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54. I never looked at it that way, but damn good point. n/t
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 04:26 PM
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55. I was asking that $64,000.00 question back when it was at $37,067.00. nt
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 04:29 PM
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56. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, XemaSab.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 04:48 PM
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57. All of those who run on an anti-government platform,
get elected, and then take full advantage of a government paycheck, government health insurance, government pension, etc. are the biggest hypocrites out there. The Rand Pauls and assorted tea-partiers have no business in government. But, as long as it is benefiting them, they seem more than willing to make an exception. It's only the thought of government helping others that outrages them.

Those who vote for these people are completely clueless.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 05:02 PM
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59. K&R
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 05:10 PM
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60. I blame the idiot voters who continually vote for incompetance.
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 05:12 PM by harun
It is one of the prime fallacies of the Right in this country. To make believe believe the gov't is the enemy and always against them. When Dem's should be stating that the gov't is us, and if we don't like it we can elect new people.

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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 05:21 PM
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61. Good point.....nt
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 05:40 PM
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63. Because the people doing the hiring don't own the company.
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 05:41 PM by Gregorian
They're Dufus and his 5th grade education, and FOX hazed noodle voting for someone who they can identify with. Like Bachmann, or Palin. You know, that Obama guy is an elitist because he has a vocabulary, and some logic skills.


It was the risk the Founders took when they gave us a modicum of responsibility. They weren't predicting McDonald's and FOX, and poorly educated voters. Silly founders. :)
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:56 PM
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68. And once they are elected, they are no good at it
Why? Because they hate it and therefore never study how to do it right.
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