59 of 87 Republican House Freshmen Voted FOR the Debt Deal

[Fearless]

Some of the tea-party driven supporters will undoubtedly conclude that their freshmen were bought out by the Republican establishment. All told, 59 freshmen voted for the debt bill - two-thirds of the rookie class - and 28 voted against it.

But the freshmen tell a different story of how they came to support the bill, one born out of listening sessions with leadership, an evolution in understanding the economic consequences of a default and opportunities to vote their priorities on the House floor. And, they say, their leadership was able to make them feel enough like valued members that when the time for tough votes came, they were ready to be team players in lending their support.

“I think increasingly we feel a part of a body,” says Rep. Nan Hayworth (R-N.Y.), a freshman ophthalmologist with no prior political experience who defeated a Democrat in a swing district last year.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60451.html


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What does that say about who got what they wanted and who got shafted by the debt deal?

[FBaggins]

1. They got what they wanted and we got shafted. Pretty simple.

AND many of them got to vote against it and retain the charade that it wasn't enough so they'll continue to "fight".

[jpak]

2. Specifics please

n/t

[Fearless]

4. Here are the scenarios that can play out in the coming months...

As you know, we need to "finish the cuts" in the second part of the bill.

1. If no action is taken: There are across the board cuts to social programs, defense, gov't agencies, etc. In short: The job outlook is screwed.

2. The "Super Congress" convenes and does one of the following:


A. The same sort of "compromise" as we got now. In short: Republicans get 80% of what they want, small to no revenue changes do occur, but are offset by large cuts in social programs for the neediest Americans. Jobs suffer because consumption decreases. The economy takes a dive.

B. Republicans ideas win out: Social programs are cut. The neediest Americans suffer. The economy takes a dive because they lose their sources of income. Jobs follow because consumption disappears.

C. Democratic progressive ideas win out: Revenue is raised, corporations would rather see their money invested in their companies than taxed out of them, jobs are created, and the economy is righted.


The kicker: This is the thing though. Corporations would rather have the money pad their OWN pockets even more than be given to employees or to the government in taxes. Therefore, they will look to buy off the "weakest" member or members of the Democratic side of the "Super Congress". They will succeed and the Republican ideas win out. The "Super Congress" votes on certain cuts to social programs, leaves taxes and loopholes alone, and passes the bill along to Congress where, like this time around, Congressmen are FORCED to sign the only bill they're going to get because if they don't, then even BIGGER cuts will automatically be enacted.

The result: Hoovervilles.

[jpak]

6. Your scenarios are fashioned out of thin air and are not "specifics"

try again

[Fearless]

7. What do you want exactly?

These are scenarios. I offered my opinion. There's no sense in attacking me for trying to be nice.

[jpak]

9. I was asking how we were "shafted" and I got no specifics

yup

[Fearless]

10. That there will be 1T in cuts immediately... largely impacting social programs and such...

The rest on gov't agencies and education. Then comes the second blow next year which is another 1.5T in cuts and likely no revenue increases as I described before.

[FBaggins]

11. You're kidding, right?

No revenues. No "clean" debt ceiling increase. No extension of unemployment benefits.

Heck. Read any one of hundreds of threads here for evidence of who got shafted.

As the NYT put it: "amounting to a near-complete capitulation by Obama"

[jpak]

12. The GOP killed UI extentions a while back FYI

and revenues ARE on the table

FYI 2

yup

[FBaggins]

13. Pure spin.

GOP killed UI extentions a while back

So? They were still part of what we were trying to get out of the negotiations... and failed.

and revenues ARE on the table

Again... so? We didn't win any in the deal and the President's claim that he'll push for them isn't any more persuasive now (after he's already back-tracked multiple times).

"Haven't lost completely yet" isn't the same thing as having won something in the "negotiations".

All we "won" in any final way was to extend the ceiling until after the election. Hardly a victory.

"Aw... we lost that already" combined with "Aw... we'll win that one next time" just reinforce that we didn't win anything THIS time.

[jpak]

14. What did we lose?

Specifics please

[FBaggins]

15. You've been given specifics.

The president insisted on a "clean" debt-ceiling increase. He lost.

He insisted that revenue enhancements be included in any deal. They weren't. He lost.

We didn't want a vote on a balanced-budget amendment. We lost

We wanted any "triggered" impact from a failure to compromise by the new panel to include automatic tax increases. It doesn't. We lost.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

3. Teabagger Renee Elmers (NC), who defeated Bob Etheridge,

voted for it. LOL Sweet victory!

[Major Hogwash]

5. These Tea Party candidates ran on the premise of NOT raising the debt ceiling.

So, I don't know how they intend to spin that when they go to get re-elected.
These 87 Tea Party Congressmen were the ones that Cantor said made the debt deal possible.

Good thing those bastards don't have their fingers on the nuclear button.

[EFerrari]

8. Everything you need to know about the debt ceiling deal

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1636182

Anyone who tells you we got the better deal is 1) Staggeringly misinformed or 2) Lying to you.

[Kaleva]

16. McConnell isn't a teabagger.

[EFerrari]

17. Does he look like he cares?

[FBaggins]

18. More importantly...

...he may not be a teaparty member, but he sure as heck isn't a progressive.

And you're unlikely to see any similar photos of progressive leaders.