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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:47 PM
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Shit...
Unemployed Ignored In Debt Ceiling Deal
Arthur Delaney - HuffPo
First Posted: 8/1/11 11:32 AM ET Updated: 8/1/11 03:39 PM ET

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WASHINGTON -- The long-term unemployed have been left out of a deal between congressional negotiators and the White House to enact massive spending cuts and raise the nation's debt ceiling before its borrowing limit is reached on Tuesday.

Under the so-called grand bargain President Obama tried to strike with House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), federal unemployment benefits would have been extended beyond January 2012, when they are set to expire. But those negotiations collapsed in July. On Sunday, congressional leaders and the administration crafted a not-so-grand bargain that will cut spending without raising taxes or preserving stimulus programs like federal unemployment insurance.

Asked Sunday night why spending to help the unemployed had been left out of the deal, a White House official said, "because it had to be part of a bigger deal to be part of this."

...

Anyone laid off after July 1 is ineligible for extra weeks of benefits under current law. People who started filing claims in July who exhaust their six months of state benefits in January will be on their own. (People who are in the middle of a "tier" of federal benefits will probably be able to receive the remaining weeks in their tier, but they will definitely be ineligible for the next level up.) Since 2008, layoff victims could receive as many as 73 additional weeks of benefits, depending on what state they lived in.

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Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/01/unemployed-debt-ceiling-deal_n_914801.html

:shrug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:48 PM
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1. DEFAULT! DEFICIT! BUDGET DISCIPLINE!
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:51 PM
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3. SHARED SACRIFICE! EAT YOUR PEAS!
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:54 PM
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5. Peas and catfood for us.
Peas and caviar for them. Sounds fair to me.

:shrug: :sarcasm:
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:50 PM
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2. Isn't this just ducky? Words fail me,and they usually don't.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:53 PM
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4. So who didn't want this, rethugs or dems? Let's be honest. nt
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:57 PM
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7. Ask yourself: who put the peas
and shared sacrifice on the table, and who did the deal that didn't have any shared sacrifice?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:03 PM
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14. Ask yourself...
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 10:04 PM by babylonsister
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/01/1001703/-Many-of-you-live-in-a-fantasy-world?via=siderec

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One of the two major political parties is so dedicated to undermining and defeating the sitting president that they are willing to, literally, destroy the country to get back into power. The GOP isn't dedicated to this in some sort of general, philosophical way or as a bullet point on a Powerpoint presentation. They are dedicated to this in a practical, every day way, just as am I dedicated to getting up tomorrow, brushing my teeth and going to work. It guides their every legislative action and their every political decision. Boehner and Co. would've gladly sat back and watched the country go into default if it meant discrediting Obama. They would gladly be the architects of a depression worse than the Great Depression if it meant they could blame the whole thing on Obama. Simply out, they are waging economic war on this president and this country, and they don't give a fuck what anyone thinks about it.

Blame where it's due, at least partially, would be helpful.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:57 PM
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8. These cuts are going to hurt people in all kinds of ways.
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 09:57 PM by EFerrari
House Democrats didn't want this because they are most accountable. The Senate was MIA as usual and Obama is fine with it because he seems to practice Reaganomics.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:00 PM
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11. I 'get' the ramifications, thanks anyway. And trying to reason
with total whackjobs who don't have their constituents' interests at heart nor the country's seems to be part of the problem, too.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:13 PM
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20. Giving into their tantrums is not going to work. As we will learn. n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:17 PM
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21. You call this a tantrum?
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 10:17 PM by babylonsister

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/01/1001703/-Many-...

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One of the two major political parties is so dedicated to undermining and defeating the sitting president that they are willing to, literally, destroy the country to get back into power. The GOP isn't dedicated to this in some sort of general, philosophical way or as a bullet point on a Powerpoint presentation. They are dedicated to this in a practical, every day way, just as am I dedicated to getting up tomorrow, brushing my teeth and going to work. It guides their every legislative action and their every political decision. Boehner and Co. would've gladly sat back and watched the country go into default if it meant discrediting Obama. They would gladly be the architects of a depression worse than the Great Depression if it meant they could blame the whole thing on Obama. Simply out, they are waging economic war on this president and this country, and they don't give a fuck what anyone thinks about it.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:56 PM
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6. But we've been promised more cuts, so we have that going for us
And some time soon, in the sweet by and by, we might sort of get talking about some extra revenue. Maybe.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:58 PM
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9. As long as we get seconds. n/t
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 03:02 AM
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23. Seconds of catfood and peas--
"Would you like some Friskies to go with your Van Camp's?"
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:59 PM
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10. The payroll tax cuts have been ignored in the debt ceiling deal, according to Chris Hayes tonight.
Social Security and Medicare payroll tax collections will continue to bleed.


As will the unemployed.



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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:01 PM
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12. And we thought there were too many people going postal BEFORE this shit went down?
We'll see how hundreds of thousands of people react early next year when they're "on their own" and can't get jobs.

This is horrible.
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:02 PM
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13. UE was previously tied to Bush Tax Cuts extensions.
Neither of those were addressed in this bill. interesting.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:04 PM
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15. While the filthy rich keep their tax cuts?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:07 PM
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16. Wow. They all prefer to let citizens live in tent cities instead of taxing the multi-millionaires.
Nice Liberal move there, Barack. :sarcasm:

Absolutely sickening.
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:09 PM
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17. Worthy of note.
The last time Republicans decided to take a hostage we gave up the Bush tax cuts for a UE benefit extension in an atmosphere of high drama and emergency. This time it died without notice.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:10 PM
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18. Well, FDL Willy, what did you expect?
I suppose someone(s) will call you huffpo Willy after this.:hug:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:48 PM
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22. I Tend To Think, They Won't Have The Stones..
:shrug:

:pals:

:hi:
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:10 PM
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19. ain't that a big bag of shit....vote Democratic....n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 04:52 AM
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24. +
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