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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 08:50 PM
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A few MORE Sentences From Mr. Krugman...
Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/01/opinion/the-president-surrenders-on-debt-ceiling.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print

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Did the president have any alternative this time around? Yes. First of all, he could and should have demanded an increase in the debt ceiling back in December. When asked why he didn’t, he replied that he was sure that Republicans would act responsibly. Great call.

And even now, the Obama administration could have resorted to legal maneuvering to sidestep the debt ceiling, using any of several options. In ordinary circumstances, this might have been an extreme step. But faced with the reality of what is happening, namely raw extortion on the part of a party that, after all, only controls one house of Congress, it would have been totally justifiable. At the very least, Mr. Obama could have used the possibility of a legal end run to strengthen his bargaining position. Instead, however, he ruled all such options out from the beginning.


But wouldn’t taking a tough stance have worried markets? Probably not. In fact, if I were an investor I would be reassured, not dismayed, by a demonstration that the president is willing and able to stand up to blackmail on the part of right-wing extremists. Instead, he has chosen to demonstrate the opposite.

Make no mistake about it, what we’re witnessing here is a catastrophe on multiple levels.

It is, of course, a political catastrophe for Democrats, who just a few weeks ago seemed to have Republicans on the run over their plan to dismantle Medicare; now Mr. Obama has thrown all that away. And the damage isn’t over: there will be more choke points where Republicans can threaten to create a crisis unless the president surrenders, and they can now act with the confident expectation that he will.


In the long run, however, Democrats won’t be the only losers. What Republicans have just gotten away with calls our whole system of government into question. After all, how can American democracy work if whichever party is most prepared to be ruthless, to threaten the nation’s economic security, gets to dictate policy? And the answer is, maybe it can’t.

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Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/01/opinion/the-president-surrenders-on-debt-ceiling.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print

:evilfrown:

:wtf:

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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 08:53 PM
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1. The comments are also very interesting. nt
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 08:56 PM
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2. I liked this comment:
PRESIDENTS ARE NOT KINGS

Paul Krugman is asking President Obama to do things he is not empowered either through the Constitution or Congressional forces on hand to do that provide him support. He faces Republican Tea Party obstinacy and GOP Senate filibuster. And added to this is an electorate twisted by low intelligence voters, fueled by anger and self interests of demagogic cable and radio individuals, publicly seeking Obama's failure...even to the point of bringing the nation down.

President Obama is getting the best deals he can get from a GOP House and filibuster Senate that they will allow. Those who criticize plans President Obama signs off on have only to consider what choices would be made if this president were republican having a GOP backed House and Senate.

The Real presidential authority is blown out of proportion to what he can get done with an unwilling Congress and thus is mostly a mirage and product of public relations.

This myth also persists into what presidents can do to move a fourteen trillion economic ship out of this most recent downturn.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:24 PM
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3. Hey... NYC_SKP... Seriously... This Is How It's Done...
I Posted this many months/years ago...

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAVAJ6mwBVE

News Conference - President John F.Kennedy - April 11, 1962

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Simultaneous and identical actions of United States Steel and other leading steal corporations increasing steel prices by some $6 a ton constitute a wholly unjustifiable and irresponsible defiance of the public interest. In this serious hour in our Nation's history when we are confronted with grave crises in Berlin and Southeast Asia, when we are devoting our energies to economic recovery and stability, when we are asking reservists to leave their homes and their families for months on end and servicemen to risk their lives--and four were killed in the last two days in Viet Nam and asking union members to hold down their wage requests at a time when restraint and sacrifice are being asked of every citizen, the American people will find it hard, as I do, to accept a situation in which a tiny handful of steel executives whose pursuit of private power and profit exceeds their sense of public responsibility can show such utter contempt for the interests of 185 million Americans.

If this rise in the cost of steel is imitated by the rest of the industry, instead of rescinded, it would increase the cost of homes, autos, appliances, and most other items for every American family. It would increase the cost of machinery and tools to every American businessman and farmer. It would seriously handicap our efforts to prevent an inflationary spiral from eating up the pensions of our older citizens, and our new gains in purchasing power.

It would add, Secretary McNamara informed me this morning, an estimated $1 billion to the cost of our defenses, at a time when every dollar is needed for national security and other purposes. It would make it more difficult for American goods to compete in foreign markets, more difficult to withstand competition from foreign imports, and thus more difficult to improve our balance of payments position, and stem the flow of gold. And it is necessary to stem it for our national security, if we're going to pay for our security commitments abroad. And it would surely handicap our efforts to induce other industries and unions to adopt reasonable price and wage policies.

The facts of the matter are that there is no justification for an increase in steel prices. The recent settlement between the industry and the union, which doesn't not even take place until July 1st, was widely acknowledged to be noninflationary, and the whole purpose and effect of this Administration's role, which both parties understood, was to achieve an agreement which would make unnecessary any increase in prices. Steel output per man is rising so fast that labor costs per ton of steel can actually be expected to decline in the next 12 months. And in fact, the acting Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics informed me this morning that, and I quote, "employment costs per unit of steel output in 1961 were essentially the same as they were in 1958."

The cost of the major raw materials, steel scrap and coal, has also been declining, and for an industry which has generally been operating at less than two-thirds of capacity, its profit rate has been normal and can be expected to rise sharply this year in view of the reduction in idle capacity. Their lot has been easier than that of one hundred thousand steel workers thrown out of work in the last 3 years. The industry's cash dividends have exceeded $600 million in each of the last 5 years, and earnings in the first quarter of this year were estimated in the February 28th Wall Street Journal to be among the highest in history.

In short, at a time when they could be exploring how more efficiency and better prices could be obtained, reducing prices in this industry in recognition of lower costs, their unusually good labor contract, their foreign competition and their increase in production and profits which are coming this year, a few gigantic corporations have decided to increase prices in ruthless disregard of their public responsibilities.

The Steelworkers Union can be proud that it abided by its responsibilities in this agreement, and this Government also has responsibilities which we intend to meet. The Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission are examining the significance of this action in a free, competitive economy. The Department of Defense and other agencies are reviewing its impact on their policies of procurement. And I am informed that steps are under way by those members of the Congress who plan appropriate inquiries into how these price decisions are so quickly made and reached and what legislative safeguards may be needed to protect the public interest.

Price and wage decisions in this country, except for a very limited restriction in the case of monopolies and national emergency strikes, are and ought to be freely and privately made. But the American people have a right to expect, in return for that freedom, a higher sense of business responsibility for the welfare of their country than has been shown in the last 2 days.

Some time ago I asked each American to consider what he would do for his country and I asked the steel companies. In the last 24 hours we had their answer.

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Link: http://www.networker.www3.50megs.com/jfk14.html

Basically... he called them unAmerican on National TV... There's only one reason now, that THAT... is off the table.

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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:39 PM
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4. Good point, but significantly different times, and the make up of Congress in 1962:
Make up of the 87th congress, 1961 - 1963:

Senate

* Democratic: 63 (majority)
* Republican: 37

TOTAL members: 100
House of Representatives

* Democratic: 263 (majority)
* Republican: 174

TOTAL members: 437

*****I do, however, agree that he could be a hell of a lot more outraged at their bullshit.


:hi:
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:43 PM
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5. When you're right, you're right..
and Krugman is right.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:02 PM
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6. They've already thrown Krugman under the bus and burned him at the stake here today.
They're going to drive a stake in his heart later on tonight.

And next year, when the numbers come out and they aren't improving, like what Krugman said today, pay attention to those people who say then that they agree with his assessment.

And then compare their words then, with what they said today.
Democrats can be hypocrites, too.
We saw that today in the House.
But, they can be hypocrites when they go on-line as well, and then tell me to enjoy a nice big shit sandwich for lunch.

In 6 months, we will be right back at it, fighting cuts against the Big 3, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.
And the Tea Party thinks they won big today so they will repeat the hostage-taking scenario again in December.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:28 AM
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7. "No one could have seen it coming"
I've heard that a few times lately with respect to the horrible jobs and GDP numbers, after being called a "Debbie Downer" when I warned that the paltry recovery would fade fast.
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