The following people are not really Democrats:

[scheming daemons]

Barack Obama
Harry Reid
Nancy Pelosi
Al Franken
John Kerry
Gabby Giffords
Stenny Hoyer


All of them either voted yes for, announced they are voting yes for, or are going to sign the debt deal.


...and many, many others. 95 in the House and close to 40 in the Senate (when they vote tomorrow).



All of them DINO/DLC/Third Way, apparently. Who would've thought that about Al Franken and Nancy Pelosi, eh?

[tridim]

1. All of those people are Democrats. Period.

Disgusting post.

[scheming daemons]

3. I agree with you.... do I really need a sarcasm tag?

[tridim]

8. Sorry, I'm just a bit jumpy.

[polmaven]

17. With the current atmosphere here,

yeah, I'm afraid you do....There are too many that probably actually think that way for real.

[AlinPA]

26. Yep. This place is loaded with them.

[polmaven]

28. Sadly so.

[Raine]

34. No, it's pretty obvious

that you are kicking up shit to start something, duh. :silly:

[KittyWampus]

44. LOL! Apparently you can add Randi Rhodes to that list. She's not elected... but she's a pretty loud

liberal voice.

[babylonsister]

4. You missed the sarcasm. nt

[lbrtbell]

47. Sorry to hear that truth disgusts you.

[Mimosa]

2. Stirring things up?

What's the point?

You do realise the aforementioned had no alternative. Did you read Franken's unenthusiastic statement?

http://franken.senate.gov/?p=hot_topic&id=1679

[scheming daemons]

6. Why not give Obama the same slack you're giving Franken?

[Mimosa]

18. Because I'd have to believe the Prez is weak if this was the best he could do.

OR I'd have to believe he's got a diabolical scheme like this:

http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2011/08/tell-me-again-whos-stupidweakincompeten.html

Either the President is strong or weak? Which is it? Why does it feel the working people are losing ground?

[SusanaMontana41]

43. Why? Because we are. n/t

[Armstead]

19. Because Obama put them in this position

[seabeyond]

11. you are worried about THIS stirring things up? nt

[Cleita]

5. Al has always been a moderate. Thought most people

knew that, but I don't consider him a DINO or DLC. He has criticized the DLC in the past especially in his radio show days.

[jtown1123]

56. Al is not as progressive as people would think. It's unfortunate. n/t

[Little Star]

7. Shame on them tonight!

[MadMaddie]

9. Were the big 3 touched?

Remember the election in 2010? Remember all of those people that told everyone else not to vote? Anyone remember that? Well Elections have consequences and the consequence of this situation is that the Democratic Party and the President were put in a situation that they should not have, if people would have voted like they should have instead of throwing a temper tantrum over their impatience we would not have Teabaggers in Congress....

I don't know if you are being sarcastic....it's hard to tell from all the posts these days..

[sabrina 1]

33. I remember 2010. Too bad the Demcorats did not listen

to those who warned them it was going to happen. Rahm always knew best, didn't he?

And sadly it's more than likely to happen again. NOT because of progressives, because of this party's policies, so contrary to the Democratic Platform they claim to represent.

Independents stayed home in 2010 and polls show they are not likely to show up for Democrats in 2012 either. After this epic failure to stand up for ordinary people, THIS time even progressives may not show up.

But then, Progressives are not important anyhow, as they are often reminded 'they have no power'.

Yet here you are attributing great power to them, even though of course you are wrong. THEY showed up, but others did not.

So, which is it, are Progressive Democrats and their retarded ideas needed or not? Seems the Party can't decide.

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[Mass]

12. Can you point to Kerry's statement. I cannot find it.

(not doubting he will vote YES and am sorry about that, but I would like to see it).

[scheming daemons]

13. He said it on a morning show today, but I haven't seen it in print

I'll try to find it.

[Mass]

14. Did he say what he thought of this bill?

[sendero]

15. You are apparently trying to make a point..

.. but it's an exceedingly lame one.

[baldguy]

16. Good people can't support bad ideas?

Have you forgotten how we got here?

[Mimosa]

21. Baldguy, you nailed it.

We got here because of reps giving in time and time again to bad ideas. Jobs got offshored, people got poorer, thus they have to join the military...the whole shebang.

[Zenlitened]

20. Most of the people you reference were not on the hostage negotiation team.

They were among the hostages.

[NeedleCast]

22. K&R

and you're still at zero. Some people have a hard time with the truth.

[Gold Metal Flake]

23. Bad policy is bad policy. Trying to throw names at people to shut them up sucks.

[stevenleser]

46. The "shutting people up" meme is so played out. Any argument you dont like is labeled that way

its bullshit and you should be embarrassed for using it.

[Gold Metal Flake]

50. Truth is truth. Sorry you can't face it and chose instead to bash those who point it out.

Shame on you.

[stevenleser]

55. The truth is you cannot think of an argument, so you say people are "shutting you up"

It says a lot more about you than it does them.

[Gold Metal Flake]

59. There is no argument in the OP.

But you can throw poo as you wish.

[Major Hogwash]

24. I agree -- they are DINOs. Their day in the sun is over. They have exposed themselves

for what they are.

Any Democrat who will NOT defend Social Security, is NOT a real Democrat.
There's only a few differences between the Republicans and the Democrats now, and that is one of them.

[Davis_X_Machina]

25. If it's a list of people who exposed themselves...

..why isn't Rep. Weiner on it?

[Major Hogwash]

31. He's no longer a Congressman, is he?

He's got a baby on the way, and he is not to blame for the selling out of America.

[MannyGoldstein]

27. Serving up a shit sandwich is one thing

Choosing to eat it rather than starving is another.

[Major Hogwash]

39. You'll get hungry sooner or later. Democrats are so stupid at this type of thing, they don't even

know how bad they fucked themselves.
If any Democrat gets re-elected who voted for this steaming pile of shit, then it can only be explained one of 2 ways --
their opponent is even worse, so the "lesser of 2 evils" voting scheme comes into play,
or,
people in their district just don't care what a Democrat stands for anymore.

Half of the people in this country are on medication of some kind.
The other half needs to be.

The super Congress, the star chamber idea, is what really stinks.
The rest of them don't have to work at all now, just pass off whatever little problem they have to the star chamber.
Hell, they don't even need to clock in anymore for debates, just show up for votes and go golfing with Boehnor in-between the star chamber announcements that they have reached a deal of some kind.
It's like roller derby for federal government, the best 6 man/women team they have up against the best 6 man/women team we have, and then they go around in circles and more circles until someone blows the whistle.

[mmonk]

29. I wouldn't brag over this legislation.

A lot of innocent people will suffer this game of politics.

[Raine]

30. What they voted for is not Democratic principles, is not what the party is supposed to

stand for. YOU call them what you want but don't think you will drag me into your little trap. FAIL :thumbsdown:

[Poll_Blind]

32. Your comments are disgusting and unnecessarily divisive flame bait, AS USUAL.

PB

[Raine]

40. Yup flambait, totally a shit kicker.

:puke:

[Bonobo]

35. Add yourself. nt

[EC]

36. This is disgusting

unrecommended and now on ignored.

[Mosby]

37. Maybe you should be posting shit like this somewhere else

[Odin2005]

38. NOOOOO, not Al!

:cry:

[UTUSN]

41. O.K., I've kicked and unReKKKed, one of the few times

S'long. n/t

[philly_bob]

42. I would have voted for the bill. Time to heal ... and kick ass!

Not fellow Democrats' asses, either.

[SidDithers]

45. K&R...

:thumbsup:

Sid

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[eridani]

49. I'm astonished that anyone on this board is happy about this craven capitulation.

Maybe when the amoral sociopaths in the Republican party propose legislation for hunting down the old and sick to get rid of useless eaters, you'll be cheering for Obama and any Dem who goes along with him for proposing strict limits on the number of hunting licenses.

[joeybee12]

51. Absolutely pathetic flamebait...Franken and Pelosi are good soldiers...

they do what they have to do when the one-termer Obama screws up and puts them in an unwinnable situation.

[blindpig]

52. They are all very much Democrats...

The Democratic Party fully supports and is responsive to the Capitalist class. The political rhetoric of generations has jived many people into thinking that the party is that of the people, but that has never truly been the case. They're Democrats all right.

[iamthebandfanman]

53. oh, theyre democrats alright.

thats not the problem.

i have the same beliefs i did in 2003, and most of the people on that list (minus franken) would have qualified as corporate dinos to me then and still do now.

[dawg]

54. What choice did they have?

The President unilaterally took all other options off the table. The satan sandwich was the best deal they were going to get and they knew it.

Their only other alternative was open rebellion against a Democratic President, and I'm not so sure Reid and Pelosi didn't seriously consider it.

[Armstead]

57. Steven Colbert you aint

[Shagbark Hickory]

58. Every last one of them are teabaggers. K&R!!!

[JackRiddler]

60. Democrat and Republican does not replace right and wrong.

[Bandit]

61. Do you suppose those Senators would have voted that way if the President was a Republican?

I don't think they would have, myself.. In fact I believe if a Republican President had held the positions Obama has held over the last two years, almost all of their votes would have been different..and those things might not have worked out the way they did...

[jpak]

62. Primary Them!!11`11

:rofl:

[JackRiddler]

63. The above point is not an argument.