crop circle proves aliens exist

[Liberal_in_LA]

Crop Circles: Biggest and Most Bizarre Designs
Scientist says they've been improved by lasers and GPS.

:P

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/slideshow/crop-circles-2378156

[Adsos Letter]

1. They're trying to tell us something...

they want us for our weed. :D

[originalpckelly]

34. Yeah, after all, when was the last time you heard of a 420 field circle?

That's because the bastids have no use for corn. (It gets stuck in their teeth.) No, they just beam up that shit!

[sakabatou]

2. This is not a pipe.

[muriel_volestrangler]

9. !

[sakabatou]

15. Heheheh

[CBGLuthier]

24. The Treachery of Images Indeed

doubly apt reference.

[GillesDeleuze]

37. wooot

[tridim]

3. Hehe, crop circles prove fools exist.

They also prove some humans are creative.

[RZM]

4. Hehe

I once knew a guy who thought that Men in Black was a slightly dramatized version of reality.

[HappyMe]

7. Wow!

Can't say that I have ever met anyone like that.



Those crop circles are pretty cool art. Kind of sucks for the farmer to have a big chunk of your crops gone though.

[Maru Kitteh]

14. Big fan of late-night AM radio by any chance? Just for fun I turned that on one night.

There was a lady on there, serious as a myocardial infarction who believed that the United States government was passing off photographs they had taken in her living room as Martian and other planetary surfaces.

[KittyWampus]

16. My ex used to stay up late listening to wild shit on shortwave.

[Maru Kitteh]

19. It's entertaining as hell. Leaves you wondering, as you wander around the grocery store

picking up your macaroni and fresh vegetables, who among you is that...... unhinged :-)

[snooper2]

28. you should check out the dungeon

you want unhinged :rofl:

[Maru Kitteh]

46. Perhaps I'll do that :-) nt

[Occulus]

36. There's one right downthread. n/t

[Maru Kitteh]

48. In the words of Frank Barone - HOLY CRAP!

[awoke_in_2003]

78. Go to Walmart...

at 3 AM- the entertainment is priceless.

[Maru Kitteh]

92. I DID once! We had a bat in the bedroom at 3am, so we went to Wal*Mart and asked for a pool net

and some tulle.

They didn't even bat an eye :rofl:




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[Liberal_in_LA]

53. It's hard to turn away...some crazy stuff talked about on those late night shows

[Poll_Blind]

5. That's an alien who knows where to keep his frop.

PB

[laconicsax]

6. Is that an alphorn?

[Fuzz]

8. Ricola!

[sakabatou]

10. Dammit, you stole my line!

[KittyWampus]

17. WIN! Thread over.

[BiggJawn]

101. Fuzz FTW! n/t

[drokhole]

11. Some neat ones as of late...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cFl5dlWpUzc/Ti7Nh4AOZiI/AAAAAAAAGeY/Wu_15bDohXg/s1600/Crop+Circle+at+Windmill+Hill%252C+Wiltshire+26th+July+2011.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FhjFYOZ2S-8/Ti3ApNmv2gI/AAAAAAAAGdk/joDB1wgMW4E/s1600/Crop+Circle+at+Etchilhampton+near+Devizes+Wiltshire+25th+July+2011.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9FCa-mOZAzs/Ti3J-NFSXMI/AAAAAAAAGd0/VHB-E-AF2HE/s1600/Crop+Circle+at+Roundway+Hill%252C+near+Devizes+Wiltshire+23rd+July+2011.jpg

[Enrique]

13. wow

farmers have a lot of time on their hands. ;-) :thumbsup:

[Chorophyll]

26. You've got to be impressed with the talent on display!

Straight edges and beautiful curves. This former art student is jealous.

[Occulus]

38. I laugh at the people who say it's aliens

Honestly. Some people never studied geometry. This shit's easy and only takes a board and some twine, maybe a few marker poles to set the center and the vertices, and perhaps something to get the angles right.

Only the absolutely most credulous, woo-woo, unthinking, incurious types still believe they're aliens. The rest of us have seen the videos of people MAKING THEM.....

[Cracklin Charlie]

45. I saw a commercial the other day

I think it was for Pringles or something, and some youngsters were actually making a crop circle in a field (and of course eating Pringles). The end of the ad showed the finished crop circle with the Pringles character in the design.

[Chorophyll]

49. Hope you didn't think I was one of the alien woo-woo people.

I just think they're great designs. And this does take a lot of planning and skill. Not just anyone with a few tools could do it.

[Buns_of_Fire]

104. Well, sure I've seen the videos...

But those people out there making them with boards and twine... WERE ALIENS! (Some wearing John Deere caps, but still...):woohoo:

[Tuesday Afternoon]

29. beautiful.

no matter who makes them/not aliens.

[Occulus]

42. Oh, but it's impossible to trace a circle from a center with a rope and a board!

:rofl:

[Liberal_in_LA]

56. beautiful.

[SidDithers]

12. Thanks for posting that...

good stuff.

And some 'round here still think they're not man-made :rofl:

Sid

[Liberalynn]

18. I wish they did and would take me off this wacko

planet. :rofl:

[smirkymonkey]

122. I was just thinking the same thing.

How much worse could it be?

[Warren DeMontague]

20. That's no Alien! That's J.R. "Bob" Dobbs!

Jesus Christ, What A Pipe!

[kentauros]

123. You know,

it's really sad that we're the only two here that recognized the Sign of "BoB" right away...

I wonder if that Sign showed up on July 5th?

[SpiralHawk]

21. Ha ha. You expect people to 'believe' these are all man-made?

Ha ha. Hundreds upon hundreds every year?

Who has time to be sneaking out every night, night after night after night - year, after, year, after year, to trespass, muck up a farmers crop, and construct hundreds and hundreds of these forms all over kingdom come? Ha ha. Funny hypothesis you 'faker' people have.

Nice fantasy world you all live in. Put down those tin-foil hats and back away slowly.

[TroglodyteScholar]

23. Wait, let me make sure I understand you.

You're saying there's no way these are man made? And accusing those who reject the alien explanation of being tinfoil hat wearers? Am I reading you right?

[SpiralHawk]

25. All in all, not all

[Mimosa]

75. I think they're made by lasers directed from satellites

I doubt 'aliens' do them. I think the same technology behind advanced weaponry, including predator drones, is being played with from here on earth. :D

[TroglodyteScholar]

76. I'm sorry, does your pretty picture answer my questions?

The subject of your reply certainly doesn't.

[WinkyDink]

27. Read me: Crop circles are recorded in 17th C. texts. Crop circles exist world-wide. No human EVER

has accounted for or admitted to making or was witnessed creating some of the most elaborate "circles" (they are of many geometric shapes).

Perhaps even MORE reading could help you?
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/secretbook98.html
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/interface2005.htm
http://www.cropcircles.net/

[SpiralHawk]

30. Mystery's a thing not easily captured

[uppityperson]

43. People who made the 17th C ones are probably dead. Some people keep secrets well.

Others not so well.

[SpiralHawk]

50. Those who made the 18th and 19th Century ones are dead as well

along, of course, with all those who thot they had a nifty 'fakery' explanation.

"..and once deceased not easily exhumed..."

[TroglodyteScholar]

77. Wow.

Just wow.

[WinkyDink]

86. Your argument is duly noted.

[Maru Kitteh]

89. There can be no argument with an unreasoned mind.

Valid argument requires reason.

[TroglodyteScholar]

106. I don't recall arguing.

I mean...how do you argue with that?

[jberryhill]

116. Yeah, so... were people stupid back then or something?

As long as humans have had brains, they've been perfectly capable of creating crop circles.

[originalpckelly]

32. Because we all know that aliens would use a corn field to talk to us.

Next they'll be using the letters in our alphabet soup.

"F U EARTH"

[Occulus]

35. We already KNOW they're man-made. Yes, ALL of them.

All it takes a board and some twine, FFS!!

[xiamiam]

39. some are man made..usually easily proven by the bend of the stalks

there are many sites which could enlighten anyone should they desire ..mathmetically and geometrically these crop circles are extraordinary..and carry messages..for those with broad minds

[Occulus]

40. They don't "carry messages", they're just applied mathematics

There is nothing at all "extraordinary" about them, period.

Yes, you can make them in complete darkness. Yes, you can make them with an astonishingly small number of people. Yes, the materials are simple. Yes, it's JUST APPLIED MATH.

Every last crop circle you have ever seen is man-made. Period.

[xiamiam]

47. lol

[SpiralHawk]

54. You have the data to prove that assertion?

Of course not.

[uppityperson]

41. Are you saying crop circles are either made by 1 person or group, or aliens?

And since 1 person or group cannot "sneak out night after night...all over kingdom come" some MUST be aliens? Those are your only 2 choices? Are you series?

Did you forget your sarcasm icon?

[lumberjack_jeff]

44. ROFL!

:rofl:

[Octafish]

52. Well said, Spiral Hawk.

It's not like humanity knows everything there is to know.







And to think many people say, "I can't draw a straight line."

[Maru Kitteh]

57. But I do have a GPS. durrrrrrrp.

[MilesColtrane]

62. Humanity doesn't know everything there is to know, but...

I know gullibility when I see it.





/]

[Liberal_in_LA]

65. What's the farmer doing when this work is being done?

[MilesColtrane]

66. I just assume he's in the dell.

[pinboy3niner]

67. LOL!

Heigh-ho the dairy-o! :)

[Liberal_in_LA]

68. lol n/t

[Maru Kitteh]

88. The average corn farm is corporate owned and 1,000-10,000+ acres. This isn't a garden out back of

Farmer John's bedroom window.

1000 acres = 43,560,000 square feet.
10,000 acres = 435,600,000 square feet.

[jberryhill]

117. Crops grow pretty much by themselves for long stretches

It's not like the farmer is out there pushing up the stalks.

[LeftyMom]

61. Strange messages are written on fences and buildings throughout my community every night

I often don't fully understand what they're communicating or why anybody would put that much time and energy into making them, and many of them are beyond my personal ability to create with the same materials, but that doesn't leave me to believe that graffiti is the work of aliens.

[Maru Kitteh]

91. :-p nt

[awoke_in_2003]

80. "Who has time to be sneaking out every night"...

ever live in a small town? It is this or watch paint dry.

[Warren DeMontague]

83. that's 'fucking' 'classic'.

You're still trying to imagine that there's some spooky mystery behind these things? :rofl:

You know what *I* think? That the psychic friends of the Star Folks Lunar Colony, you know the people who performed the 'targeted telekenetic action' on the Brutish NASA moon bombing mission--- those guys have something to do with it.

[pokerfan]

22. The extraterrestrials are using our own GPS system?!!!

Those fiends!

[originalpckelly]

33. Yo-de-le-heee!

:P

[GreenArrow]

31. "Turn on, tune in, and drop out". N/t

.

[Octafish]

51. Interesting, if real.

Here are a few oddities:



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4A9r9yKkkNs/SqItZMUuBOI/AAAAAAAAD_Q/qk0RorGsDfw/s400/Netherlands+Butterfly+Metamorphosis+Transformation+Crop+Circle.jpg



BTW: Those little parallel lines cutting across the fields are tractor trails; they provide an idea of scale.

[Liberal_in_LA]

55. beautiful. Does this stuf harm the farmer's fields. I hope not.

[Maru Kitteh]

Of course it harms the farmer's field. Machines are not designed to harvest crops on the ground.

Plants are killed. Food/grain is left behind and rots on the ground.

[Liberal_in_LA]

59. oh. I was hoping the corn stalks recovered some how, stood back up after watering or something

:-(

[Maru Kitteh]

63. I don't mind it if they do it in a Monsanto field though! Calling all "aliens" - could you please

make sure you practice your art in all MONSANTO crop fields?

Thanks,
Teh Earth

[SpiralHawk]

70. In La'kech

[eShirl]

103. looks like the "aliens" are fans of The Tick!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1LgmYNlBQLs/SZsa-w5gcRI/AAAAAAAAAHg/O38O0h7KBT0/s400/toysfeb9+014.jpg

[Zoigal]

58. Nicely done. Took some real planning and executing...

Those "aliens" really are talented.....z

[RushIsRot]

60. There is an eerie perfection exhibited in these circles that I wonder

how humans could avoid mking the occasional human mistake, especially working in the dark.

[Maru Kitteh]

64. The stars and moon are quite bright out in the country. You can see just fine.

GPS is a great tool for intricate designs. See the Sarah Palin portrait above.

[RushIsRot]

71. That still doesn't account for the very real possibility of human error.

I have never seen a photograph of one that had the slightest blemish. I have never known of ANY human endeavor to be so completely error-free.

Perhaps flawed circles and other designs exist but if so, they have not appeared in any of the images I have seen.

[LeftyMom]

72. Did you get the calipers out or are we talking errors visible in photographs to the naked eye?

Keep in mind that these circles are very wide (again, look at the tractor lines for a sense of scale) and that they won't be perfect because the medium of flattened cereal crops won't permit that (for example a circle 20m wide isn't going to be precisely 20m wide on the dot in every direction because at some points there will be more than 20 m exactly from stalk to stalk). So what you appear to be saying is that the circles and other shapes appear to be perfect to the naked eye when compressed into comparatively small photographs. A half-bright child working with a stake, a length of rope and a stick could manage to make a neat circle, they do essentially the same with compasses and such in school. The absence of wonky, squashed circles only suggests that the perpetrators are at least somewhat sober.

[RushIsRot]

79. What I am trying to communicate is that in some of the intricate designs,

one would expect the occasional misstep. Something squashed down by accident. Can such a goof be erased? Say what you like, but human nature is never 100% perfection.

I have done my share of toying with a compass and although I tried and tried, my designs never came out perfect no matter how precisely I placed the compass.

[Maru Kitteh]

87. How would you even know if there was an error?

It's not like the pranksters/artists/campus nerds who make these things submit the plans in advance. I can't imagine it would be too difficult at all to disguise any error with relative ease.

Alternatively, why would the whacko sites that promote this foolery as "alien communication" show you clips from the cutting room floor?

As a girl born and raised in corn country, let me tell you it's easier than pie to get into a corn field without notice, spend hours upon hours there, and leave without any noticeable trail. It's not even a skill.

[SpiralHawk]

94. You have documented proof that humans made all these circles, right?

So many assertions on this thread of how the crop circles were allegedly made by average human beings.

Zippo proof.

Sounds like Teabaggery Applied 'Science' to me -- a steaming load of materialist claptrap.

[NYC Liberal]

98. If aliens can make them, why can't humans?

Do you have any proof that these alleged aliens are more intelligent or more capable of creating crop circles than humans are?

[pokerfan]

102. No human being would make crop circles like this

:)

[NYC Liberal]

105. No HUMAN…but...

[Name removed]

107. Deleted message

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[trotsky]

99. You're the one doing the asserting.

Nice try, though.

[EOTE]

115. Nobody has that proof.

And it was silly to suggest that such proof exists, so we can get past that now. However, Occam's Razor certainly applies in cases like this. We do know that humans CAN do such things. Knowing that, it seems far more likely that humans DID do such things. Barring any evidence to the contrary, there's very little reason to believe that aliens are responsible for any of this. This is coming from someone who believes in extra-terrestrial intelligence, I just don't think we've ever been visited by such intelligence.

[jberryhill]

118. And you know what design was intended?

How would you know if there had been an error or not?

[SpiralHawk]

93. Ummmm hmmmm

[eShirl]

95. looks like something my grandma crocheted

sort of like this one

[Maru Kitteh]

114. OMG YOUR GRANDMA IS AN ALIEN! No human mind could have conceived of such a

thing! :rofl:

[dipsydoodle]

69. Aparently its easy

using a stripped down microwave oven but don't try that at home. :)

[OxQQme]

73. Fact not mentioned downthread:

http://www.cropcircles.net/

snip:

<The issue is that no man-made crop circle has satisfactorily replicated the features associated with the real phenomenon, and this has baffled scientists and researchers. Crop circles are created by a force seemingly at odds with modern science. Central to the hoax argument is that a physical object is required to flatten the crop to the ground, resulting in the breaking of the plant stems. In genuine formations the stems are not broken but bent (left), normally about an inch off the ground at the plant's first node. The plants appear to be subjected to a short and intense burst of heat which softens the stems to drop just above the ground at 90�, where they reharden into their new and very permanent position without damaging the plants. Plant biologists are baffled by this phenomenon and farmers, who know how the land ticks, are baffled by this. It is the singlemost method of identifying the real phenomenon. Research and laboratory tests suggest that microwave or ultrasound may be the only method capable of producing such an effect.>


<Genuine crop circles are areas of gently laid and swirled plants which create a floor in mathematical proportions similar to the Golden Mean, the vortex nature uses to create precision organisms such as shells, sunflowers, the spatial relationship of the bones in the human hand and galaxies. The floor of crop circles can have up to five layers of weaving, all in counterflow to each other, with every seed head intact and placed beside each other as if arranged in a museum case; the centres can contain nested, woven, crested, or wreathed swatches of plants- sometimes the center will consist of a single standing plant.

They are not perfectly round but slightly elliptical (a hoax, requiring a fixed central rope, cannot achieve this adequately). Their edges are crisply defined from the flattened crop as if drawn with a compass and incised with surgical precision. Hoaxes, by comparison, bear a stylistic resemblance to tuffs of greasy, uncombed hair- and, of course, all their plants have been trampled, bruised and crushed.>

[drokhole]

81. Further objective research...

...http://www.bltresearch.com/plantab.php
http://www.bltresearch.com/magnetic.php

[Maru Kitteh]

90. your so-called objective "research" relies on psychics to provide explanations.

Sweet.

[drokhole]

113. No, it relies on soil and crop samples, lab work, and electromagnetic readings to provide data.

And the following professional consultants to provide analysis:


Current Consultants


BUDINGER, Phyllis..................................................Analytical Chemist
M.S. in Organic Chemistry, Miami University--1964
Research Scientist for BP/Amoco Oil Company (previously Standard Oil) for 35 years, with specialized experience in petroleum, chemical & polymer analyses using spectroscopic techniques (IR, NMR).
Working knowledge of most other analytical techniques.
Currently: Technical Director, Frontier Analysis, Ltd. Laboratory --
Chagrin Falls, Ohio.


CONRAD, Diane L................................................................Geologist
M.S. in Geological Sciences and Clay Chemistry,State University
of New York (SUNY)--1984
State Geologist at the Vermont Agency of Natural Resources, 1991-1995; Director of Environmental Programs for Salt Lake Organizing Committee, Olympic Winter Games, 2002.
Currently: President, Maka Cante Associates -- Tucson, Arizona.


IYENGAR, Dr. Sampath S. ..............................Geochemist/Mineralogist
Ph.D in Materials Chemistry/Mineralogy, VA Tech--1980
M.S. in Soil Physical Chemistry, VA Tech--1972
Materials Science specialist, with strong background in the analytical characterization of materials. Developed XRD method for characterization and analysis of pharmaceutical compounds in multi-component mixtures.
Currently: Analytical Manager, Technology of Materials Laboratory --
Wildomar, California.


KASHER, Dr. John C. (Jack) .....................................................Physicist
Ph.D in Physics, Boston College -1970
M.S. in Physics, Boston College -1967
Physics Faculty, University of Nebraska at Omaha, 1969-2001
Peter Kiewit Distinguished Professor, 1981-1987
Excellence in Teaching Award, 1985
Burlington Northern Foundation Faculty Achievement Award, 1986
Consultant and Summer Employee, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory,1975-1992, specializing in electromagnetic theory, EMP, microwave radiation, electron beams.
Worked on the Star Wars Defense System.
NASA’s Jove Initiative Program, 1991-1998, specializing in supergranules
on the surface of the sun.
Currently: Professor Emeritus of Physics, University of Nebraska at Omaha


RAGHAVAN, Dr. Ravi ............................Chemical Engineer/Statistician
Ph.D in Chemical Engineering,Purdue University--1978
(specializing in Mathematical Modeling and Computer Simulation of Processes)
Leader of Unit Operations, Project "Aspen," M.I.T., 1979
Senior Systems Engineer, BF Goodrich, 1980 - 1997
Extensive training (Black Belt Six Sigma) in Applied Statistics.
Currently: President, Raghavan & Associates, Inc. -- Cleveland, Ohio.


REITER, Nicholas A............................................SEM/EDS Technician
Associate Degree (2-yr.) in Applied Sciences--1983
(Terra Technical College, Fremont, Ohio)
Since1984 has worked in fields of engineering technology, vacuum technology, thin films and high-temperature semiconductor chemistry. Also works on research projects in association with the McMaster Foundation for Gravity Research.
Currently:Scientist, First Solar LLC -- Toledo, Ohio.


ROLL, Dr. William.....................................................Parapsychologist
Ph.D, Parapsychology, Lund University (Sweden)--1989
M.Litt, Oxford University (England)--1957
B.A., University of California at Berkeley--1949
Roll joined the staff of the Parapsychology Laboratory at Duke University in 1957, working under Dr. J.B. Rhine until 1964. He has authored more than 100 scientific papers, edited eleven volumes of Research in Para-psychology, and written three books. In 1996 he received the "Distinguished Career in Parapsychology" award from the Parapsychological Association and in 2002 was awarded the "Dinsdale Memorial Award" for his investigations of R.S.P.K.
Currently: Adjunct Professor of Parapsychology, State University of West Georgia -- Carrollton, GA.


SCHILD, Dr.Rudolph E..................................Astronomer/Astrophysicist
PhD in Astrophysics, University of Chicago--1966
M.S. in Physics, University of Chicago--1963
Previous positions include: Research Fellow, Mt. Wilson/Palomar
Observatories; Scientific Director, 60" Telescope Program, Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory; Lecturer , Harvard University.
Professional Societies: American Astronomical Society (1965)
and the International Astronomical Union (1969 ), where he
is a member of Commission 29 (Stellar Spectra), Commission
45 (Stellar Classification), and Commission 51 (Bioastronomy:
Search for Extraterrestrial Life).
Currently: Astronomer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for
Astrophysics, Cambridge, Massachusetts USA.


STEARMAN, DR. ROBERT O. ..............................Aeronautical Engineer
Ph.D in Aeronautical Engineering, Cal Tech--1961
M.S. in Aeronautical Engineering, Cal Tech--1956
B.S. in Mechanical Engineering, Oklahoma State Univ.--1955
In addition to teaching both graduate and undergraduate courses in reliability, unsteady aerodynamics, random vibrations, aeroelasticity and structural dynamics since 1963, Professor Stearman has worked with the Boeing Co. as an Aerodynamist and as a Senior Analyst in the Mathematics and Physics Division of the Midwest Research Institute. His consulting experience includes work for the Air Force and several D.O.D.-funded programs at wind tunnel research facilities at NASA Ames and NASA Langley and at Air Force-owned AEDC facilities. Most of this work involved research on aeroelastic-related phenomena. Dr. Stearman has published multiple papers in refereed journals and is an active member of several professional societies, including the AIAA, ASA, SAE, ASEE and the EAA.
Currently: Bettie Margaret Smith Professor of Engineering, Aerospace Engineering and Engineering Mechanics Dept., University of Texas at Austin.



Previous Consultants:


LEVENGOOD, W.C............................................................Biophysicist
M.S. in Biophysics, University of Michigan--1970
M.A. in Bioscience, Ball State University--1961
Research physicist at the Institute of Science and Technology and the Department of Natural Resources, University of Michigan, 1961-1970; Director of Biophysical Research for private-sector companies, 1970-1983. Has published 50+ papers, in professional scientific journals, including Nature and Science. Three papers (1994; 1995; 1999) present results of laboratory work on crop circle plants and soils.
Currently: pursuing multiple research interests at Pinelandia Biophysical Laboratory -- Grass Lakes, MI.


REYNOLDS, Dr. Robert C., Jr.....................Geologist/Clay Mineralogist
Ph.D in Geology, Washington University--1955
B.A. in Geology, Lafayette College--1951
Asc.A. in Chemistry, Keystone Junior College--1949
Roebling Medal Recipient of the Mineralogical Society of America, 2000;
Frederick Hall Chair of Mineralogy, Dartmouth College, 1989-1997;
President, Clay Minerals Society, 1991-1992;
Chairman, Department of Earth Sciences, Dartmouth College, 1983-86;
Currently: Frederick Hall Professor of Geology and Mineralogy, Emeritus, Dartmouth College -- Hanover, NH.
Dr. Reynolds was a world-recognized expert in X-ray diffraction analysis of finely-dispersed layer compounds and, particularly, of clay minerals.

http://www.bltresearch.com/proffcons.php


Don't worry, I forgive you.

[Maru Kitteh]

119. No, it's a woo woo site that sells magic "crop circle cards" to suckers for just $38 plus shipping!

Here we see a magic crop circle piece of paper "charging" a glass of water for homeopathy.



"These cards can be used in Homeopathy and other water coding procedures, Applied Kinesiology, in Radionics devices and other radiesthesia techniques. And possibly many more.

A deeper, more thorough background to this research and Earth energy connections can be found in my book, Secrets In The Fields, in the chapter 'The Dragon Awakes'."

-----------------------

So this "research" site sells you Books, DVD's and magic pieces of paper for homeopathy? Wow. I wonder why nobody in their right mind takes this shit seriously. It's a MYSTERY.


Don't worry, you have my sympathy. The charlatans who sell these scams are quite a different matter altogether.

[drokhole]

121. You're funny.

And blind. And in denial.

Deflection is a tactic best used by the desperate. You see, you're very clever by not addressing legitimate anomalies found (node elongation, expulsion cavities, burned plants, magnesium carbonate, chemical changes, atmospheric anomalies, equipment failure, etc...) in certain formations - instead, relying on ad hominem attacks in an attempt to discredit. Which, again, is odd, given the people that have studied these samples are analytical chemists, geologists, mineralogists, chemical engineers, physicists, etc... Mind you, no one has jumped to any firm conclusion regarding their source - only that the results (especially the chemical changes) are far beyond the scope of simple board and/or rollers (again, in some cases, not all). But, go ahead, throw the baby out with the bath water. It just remains odd that people who claim to be scientifically minded level accusations of "woo" against those who go the extra mile and actually bring samples back to the lab for vigorous testing - testing which has revealed this data. And, like they say in their history page, "the data is the data."

Further, I'm not even sure you are visiting the site I gave links to. It seems you're looking at this one ----> http://www.cropcircles.net - whereas, I referred to the "objective research" (and provided links) to this one ------> http://www.bltresearch.com/index.php. This may be because I'm "not in my right mind," but I haven't been able to find a link to your special water paper example on my link. In fact, aside from a few buried links to outside sites in the "General Links" section, it doesn't seem like the aim of this site is to sell anything. Please, point out what I have missed.

And your sympathy is mighty kind, I'm happy to welcome it! :toast:

[eShirl]

124. whoa

That's like a Grand Unified Theory of Woo right there.

[librechik]

82. don't bother to get a hearing on your facts

most of the people here are prime results of the 60 year US strategy on any anomalous phenomena: Don't investigate and find out what is causing the phenomena by using the tools of science. Make those tools unavailable.

Rather, ridicule and mock those who are interested in or happen to experience the phenomena, take away their jobs, spoil their funding, ruin them in society, and make science something to be argued over like a political opinion-- because it's all a big joke. You know, like that other big joke, Climate Science.

Never find out the explanation for the THOUSANDS of incidents that specialists agree couldn't possibly all be man-made fakes, simply because of the number and the widespread nature of the phenomena in dozens of coutries. Laugh and laugh at those idiots who still have curiosity and an open mind in this arrogant, conformist society. What losers. Put away the telescope, Poindexter--everyone in town (and this forum) will laugh at you, just like they laughed at Galileo.

This is how we stumble back into the Dark Ages, a place many in this thread are willing if not eager to lead us.

[eShirl]

97. "This is how we stumble back into the Dark Ages..."

You mean that era before the Enlightenment, when superstition reigned supreme?

[trotsky]

100. LOL

"They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." -- Carl Sagan

[NYC Liberal]

110. Heh, I hadn't even read your post when I commented just now

with the same quote. :P

[trotsky]

111. It's such a perfect response though.

Worth repeating. :)

[NYC Liberal]

112. I laugh at Sarah Palin…I guess that means she's a genius!

[NYC Liberal]

109. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers.

But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

-Carl Sagan

[MilesColtrane]

85. "They are not perfectly round but slightly elliptical (a hoax, requiring...

a fixed central rope, cannot achieve this adequately)"

How to Draw a Perfect Ellipse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UD8hOs-vaI

[EOTE]

120. Now come on!

Everyone knows that humans don't have dual toothpick technology yet. This video was quite surely concocted by an advanced alien race trying to teach us the many marvels of their utopian society.

[NYC Liberal]

108. LOL, do a search for Róbert Dallos and Gábor Takács for starters.

Yes, man-made crop circles (not that there are any other kind) can be made by bending the stems.

[hack89]

74. Or that stoned wallabies are a growing problem.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8118257.stm

[Shagbark Hickory]

84. Gps, lasers and.... photoshop

[lunatica]

96. Crap! Just what we need. Aliens with a sense of humor

Now I'm thrown into confusion.