Krugman said it all in four sentences

[DainBramaged]

In the long run, however, Democrats won’t be the only losers. What Republicans have just gotten away with calls our whole system of government into question. After all, how can American democracy work if whichever party is most prepared to be ruthless, to threaten the nation’s economic security, gets to dictate policy? And the answer is, maybe it can’t.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/01/opinion/the-president-surrenders-on-debt-ceiling.html?_r=1

[ananda]

1. Boy he got that right.

Our governing system is so broken.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

54. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE REPUBLICANS WANT

THEY HATE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

THEY WANT THE WILD WEST :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[adigal]

2. Amen, Prof Krugman!!!

And I, for one, will spend my time and money electing better Dems next time. Dems who vote for this pile of garbage should be primaried.

[russspeakeasy]

44. They will all slither back onto the campaign trail and ask

you and me for our money and support...because if we don't support them bad things will happen.
Dear current democratic party, from me, fuck you.:nuke: :nuke:

[bullimiami]

3. Brilliant. nt.

[bvar22]

4. Krugman has it wrong.

He believes there is a difference of opinion among our "Leadership".

[woo me with science]

14. +1

Let's not forget. We are supposed to have representatives, not leaders.

Representatives, not leaders.
Representatives, not leaders.

[bvar22]

15. Representatives.... who do the will of The People:

[woo me with science]

18. +100000 nt

[Kaleko]

30. Smack down, spot on, bloody right

and hell, yes!

[Enthusiast]

58. They should represent us then.

They are doing a piss poor job of it. Classifying the entire congress and president as failures would be giving them too much credit.

The entire bunch of them received hundreds of thousands of phone calls and e-mails begging them to:

1. Raise taxes on the wealthy.

2. Protect medicare and social security.

Did they do what "we the people" wanted? No they did not. And from the moment Obama took office he has been protecting the interests of a criminal Wall Street and Bush Administration. I don't care how much one personally likes Obama, this is simply unforgivable and is, in fact, dereliction of duty.

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[highplainsdem]

6. Exactly. This deal rewards and encourages extortion by radical Republicans.

[jtown1123]

7. This is an excellent piece. It's very discouraging to read.

[DainBramaged]

12. Yes, but he's right. And yet he is not on Obama's advisory board

Jeffery 'Omelet' of GE is.

[Enthusiast]

59. Yes. In Obama's opinion the greatest

job outsourcer is going to fix our job problem. This is downright bizarro.

[myrna minx]

8. K&R n/t

[SaveAmerica]

9. I agree, I see ruthlessness across the board, from local to federal and decent, fair-minded folks

are dropping out of an environment that is nasty, cutthroat, and ultimately inefficient and self-serving.

[WinkyDink]

10. THANK YOU. E-mailed and printed out.

[Stinky The Clown]

11. But, but but but . . . . our president doesn't see it that way.

[DainBramaged]

16. He sees it their way....

[MissDeeds]

26. I'm afraid "our" president is "their" president

He governs like he owes them something. Us, not so much.

[chervilant]

34. Yeah,

it'd be hard for him to deny that, given the evidence at hand AND his adjuration that "YOU progressives!" view the glass as 'half empty!'

[divvy]

13. Maybe they dont want it ........ Business and the Military are NOT deomcratic.

and business interests and military intrests are the "cherished values" that are dictating policy today.

We missed a big clue when obama said he was willing to negotiate with terrorists.

[Romulox]

17. Sick of hearing that it's "no fair!" that Republicans are good at politics.

To me, it's "no fair" that our Democratic leaders are assigned their positions when they are demonstrably bad at politics.

Harry Reid's answer to Republican stonewalling: "Play nice!"? :eyes:

[DainBramaged]

19. Bring back Alan Greyson

http://leftwingnutjob.net/

[Romulox]

20. Love Alan Grayson simply because he's a real human being

and he's MAD. :mad: Just like any real human being should be right now!

[libmom74]

28. If Sanders doesn't

want to run against Obama in 2012 maybe Grayson or Feingold can. Please!! Sanders said on Thom Hartmann a couple of weeks ago that there was talk among progressives about a primary for Obama, well now would be the time.

[chervilant]

35. Hmph!!

I'd vote for virtually ANY other Democrat! Obama will NEVER get my support again.

[Enthusiast]

60. I'm good with Grayson, DeFazio, Sanders

Feingold and others. Main thing, we cannot afford to elect another Trojan Horse. The country may not survive this one.

[Plucketeer]

40. OH BABY!!!

I'm sending Alan what little we can. And I'm a continent away from him.

[Hestia]

45. I'm sending him a monthly stipend myself, and I do not live in his state.

[truedelphi]

21. Not just Reid - Obama's spokeman said

Thursday night that if there is one thing the WH knows about Americans, it is that they understand and want compromise!

[Major Hogwash]

22. And we're at war! A war that they don't want to end for another 20 years.

Part of the PNAC plan was to have a permanent foothold in Afghanistan and Iraq from which to conduct military operations in the Middle East for the next 2 decades!!

[tcaudilllg]

32. Yeah, yeah you are right.

All that shit you guys were talking about was real. Sorry I doubted you.

[defendandprotect]

51. Also gives them the opportunity to put more fascism in place behind the cover of wars ...

[Enthusiast]

61. That's why they faked the results of the 2000 election.

Then they pull off 9/11. Then they pulled off the Iraq War. They then faked the results of the 2004 election. Then the great economic collapse of 2008. Then they pulled off the great Obama deception.

Believe me, they have more operations and wars planned for our future.

[defendandprotect]

72. Agree 1000% ---

but they didn't do it alone --

Sadly, Dems have been colluding with the GOP since at least 1978 --

with Dems in full power -- Dems colluded with GOP to break the tax code for

the benefit of the rich -- !!

Nor are they doing it alone this time around -- they're getting a lot of help from Obama --

and Dems have been SILENT on most issue for decades!!

Corporate money buys a lot --

[WCGreen]

23. Out of the way you jack booted thugs....

it's time for 'Merica to take a thuggish approach to politics...

[Douglas Carpenter]

25. yeah, that does kind of some it up

[Old Codger]

27. Hit it

Dead center, nail meet hammer.

[salib]

29. This battle has been waged since the Enlightenment

And, to proof is in the pudding, so to speak. Here we are, again, seeing how Liberal Democracy can be undermined and made to fail.

The 20th Century is replete with wars due to that same reality.

I think we need to think more clearly and do better in the future.

I do not want the wanna-be kings to rule over me.

[tcaudilllg]

33. I want to see Rupert Murdoch and all these other cronies behind bars.

And I don't want to see them die naturally, either. I want to see them executed.

[defendandprotect]

52. Enlightenment and democracy over turned by rw political violence over 50 years now -- !!

That's the only way the right wing can rise --

only way they have ever risen --

[MasonJar]

31. Krugman tells it like it is. I am sick. Why can't we raise taxes on the

wealthy. Number one they expect it. Number two they paid more under Clinton and the economy boomed. That is it. These losers only want the rich to succeed. But why? Everyone got rewarded under Clinton. Bill Clinton is probably the greatest President in a generation.

[defendandprotect]

53. ... because your Congress is ....

under the control of the OIL and COAL industries -- according to Al Gore --

Our political parties are both being controlled by corporate money --

Millionaires and multi-millionaires are 44% or more of our Congress --

do you think they are there to do the will of the people?

[thesquanderer]

36. It reminds me of that quote...

I don't have it exactly right, or know who it is from (maybe someone here can enlighten me?), but...

All that is necessary to win is to be willing to do what the other side won't.

[certainot]

37. the 'left' never got his back from the beginning

it promised to get his back (implicit) but it and it's organizations allow 1000 think tank-coordinated radio stations to trash him and everything he does all day long 24/7/365

until the 'right's' most important attack tool is even noticed by the 'left', the collective left cannot say it got his back.

instead, its vote blog and whine, and just stick your iPod in your ear and walk on by that jerk on every corner yelling your liberal mother is a whore and your liberal father is and liar and thief, and your president is a traitor muslim terrorist.

so don't expect shit.

[TBF]

39. complete bullshit -

we campaigned for Obama, and his royal highness repaid us by appointing the most reactionary advisers since the Reagan era.

[certainot]

43. you mean advisers that knew where the money was hidden and how the system worked?

and what the opponent was going to use? look at the hardball these motherfuckers play now and have been.

they can swiftboat anyone they want because the left ignores their best weapon.

his opponents are gangsters, he's going to hire peewee herman?

[Enthusiast]

62. Where are the indictments?

We should have so many Wall Street criminals behind bars that prison building would stimulate the economy.

[TBF]

67. Nobody said he should hire peewee herman (although rahm may resemble him a bit)

but why bring in the foxes who were supposed to be guarding the hen house. They are going to just lead you in circles. Bring in someone who understands tax policy and get it back that way.

Instead, he doesn't recoup losses, and in fact throws more money at the banks. How is this a win for us, average America, we who have had our 401Ks stolen, our jobs taken, our homes foreclosed?

[certainot]

70. bush left the whole JD and military riddled with republican fundy moles

and i agree the should have put some in jail - and the GOP would have done their own diversionary crap and got away with it while the admin were trying to save the economy.

i understand there are ongoing investigations and good people in the right places now, who didn't have to go through the GOP confirmation obstruction, and some will go to jail.

the bank bailout was done by bush.

[Hestia]

47. Complete bullshit is right - Rollingstone had an excellent article about

OFA and how they told us to sit down and wait (thanks to Rohm) - we'll be told when we are needed. An entire nation waited, chomping at the bit to do anything to have his back, but no, we've been told to just shut up and go along with the program. Now I am getting email after email asking when am I going to step up and help? Why? Help who?

[Vanje]

48. Nonsense

[killbotfactory]

38. I agree that our system of government is FUBAR

But that just means it's Obama's fault somehow.

[certainot]

41. the tea party is the talk radio army and their gods feel no consequences, so how was

anyone going to get them to back down?

they are in this position taking us to the edge because they believe the talk radio gods, who's main job the last few months was to get us to this point.

they and most of the other republicans are irrational and for months limbaugh has been telling them not raising the debt ceiling is no big deal- the debt had to paid by law, and then the cuts to would have to be made and finally the public employees and teachers and unions who he calls parasites and bottom feeders would be done with.

their gods hannity and limbaugh and their wannabes at the local level have been selling them the same heritage foundation bullshit and the left has no clue. they were going to go all the way- it was up to the left to get into the streets and protest at those limbaugh megastations if they wanted to get noticed.

that's the true republican leadership and they hide behind call screeners and feel no consequences for their lies and until the left figures that out this crap will continue like it has been for the last 20 years when reagan killed the fairness doctrine

[defendandprotect]

55. The T-Party is Koch Bros .... the DLC was Koch Bros ... this is corporate/fascism .... !!

And it has risen via rw political violence over 50 and more years now!

Koch Bros runs the T-baggers out of a PR firm which guarnatees them publicity!

Everything the RW has or does is theater -- it's all paid for movements --

from Christian Coaliation to radicalized NRA, to DLC --

[certainot]

69. no- they're dittoheads mobilized by the kochs- they didn't memorize their lines- what they

screamed in those town halls came from years of radio

[defendandprotect]

71. RW only sends out robots -- recall that GOP members were given tapes ....

with the "party line" every week in old days --

Also recall that the GOP gave start up funding for the Christian Coalition --

and Richard Scaife funded Dobson's group -- and other wealthy rw financed Bauer's org.


GOP/"pro-life" -- financed by white Christian militia groups --

got their protesters from methadone clinics and paid them.


GOP/NRA -- they radicalized the NRA and used it to target not only liberals and moderates

in the Democratic Party, but liberals and moderates in their own party -- thereby by

moving the Congress way to the right --


Koch Bros. is funding the T-baggers -- and certainly there is a script -- and it is run

out of a PR firm which guarantees them publicity!!


Koch Bros. funded the DLC which was harbored within the Dem Party for 20 years --

infiltrating the party and influencing its agenda -- its candidates -- including its

presidential candidates.


The entire right wing is a house of cards -- with dozens of rw think tanks and fake movements --

that's why they have to so tightly control our corporate press -- and why they have to

steal elections --

and why we've had 50 years of rw political violence -- out in the open!!


And it's not all because this is a rw nation --


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[bertman]

42. REC. nt.

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[TBF]

68. He's not a coward (well, not in the way you're thinking) - you just don't understand

who he is working for (hint: it ain't 98% of us).

If you're really "Che" Billy then you understand Obama is not really the problem, it is the capitalism that has to go.

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. Boy that is the conversation with my BIL, or series of them,

over the last five years.

[defendandprotect]

50. What system of government? Al Gore: "Congress is controlled by OIL and COAL industries" ---

We have corporate/fascism --

And it has risen via political violence -- and will hold onto that power

by political violence -- !!

[pansypoo53219]

56. we are heading for france circa 1789.

let THE RICH eat cake.

[Enthusiast]

57. Par for the course with Republicans.

They have regularly interfered with elections through a number of means. The GOP has an aversion to democracy. Too damn bad they also control the media so that the voters can't learn how diabolical they are.

[Firebrand Gary]

63. Over it tonight.....I'm usually a positive person, but I just don't care anymore.

Our party is just as bad. We may be a bit more covert, but we are tied to Corporate interest as well. Time and time again I have seen true progressives wiped out in primaries, just so some (insert fake branding name) Democrat can go on to the General and then do diddle squat when the get to Congress.

Case in point. 2008 our party never expected 60 seats. When they realized they could actually get something done and that we were going to hold them to it, they slowed down legislation (Healthcare) to fill up their calendar.

Epic fail I believe and is the reason most of us could give a crap.

[FlyByNight]

64. It's a republic, if you can keep it

Neo-feudal state, here we come.

[blkmusclmachine]

65. That's the plan.

n/t

[ewagner]

66. According to McConnel...

this is the TEMPLATE for all future debt limit "negotiations"....only it's not negotiating anymore...it's blackmail...

Mr. President....I just don't know what to say to you anymore....