"An explosive development in the scandal" Why Rupert Murdoch cried himself to sleep last night

[Snoutport]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/martin-hickman-this-marks-an-explosive-development-in-the-scandal-2328633.html

"Some of the targets of these techniques had more to lose than their privacy. While vile and disgusting, the alleged eavesdropping of Milly Dowler, war widows and Sara Payne did not endanger life and limb. The alleged targeting of ex-intelligence officers with knowledge of IRA informers could have.

Tuleta may also draw other titles and newspaper groups into the scandal. It is likely to focus on the activities of Jonathan Rees, a private detective who worked for News International and the Mirror Group. While police investigated Mr Rees over the murder of his business partner Danny Morgan in 1987, they bugged his office and recorded his conversations with reporters."

Ladies and Gentlemen of DU...

I do believe the hacking scandal is about to accomplish several things:

We will see that Murdoch's minions interfered with government.
We will see a planned attack on liberal members of the government that will cause the break up of Rupert Murdoch's holdings in the UK.
The conservative Government in the UK will fall due to being such good mates with Rupert Murdoch and his army of minions.
The Murdoch's will probably lose their positions in their companies and the result will be business that is more about business and less about the brainwashing of the people it serves.

But most importantly...the right wing is losing its mouthpiece. The right has risen to power due to the steady drumbeat of anti-liberal messages by Murdoch's empire. When Murdoch is out of the picture then the right has lost their mouthpiece.

The days of Murdoch's influence is almost over. Have a great weekend. I spent four days camping and it has renewed my love for my country. It is worth fighting for.

[arcane1]

1. I would love it if NewsCorp was totally discredited before the election starts up

:)

[Snoutport]

9. I do think you'll get your wish!

:)

[Snoutport]

15. ARTICLE ABOUT THE NEW PROBE...VERY INFORMATIVE (LINK)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/new-police-investigation-will-probe-computer-hacking-2328625.html

[Snoutport]

28. News of the World targeted phone of Sarah Payne's mother

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/28/phone-hacking-sarah-payne

just in case you missed this story.... Sarah Payne was a cute little girl who was abducted and murdered by a known child sex offender. Rebekah Brooks, then editor of News of the World gave Sarah Payne's mom a phone to keep in contact with everybody... little did she know that the phone was set so that Rupert Murdoch's employees would have easy access to the mom's messages.

Devious. Despicable. Lower than a snake's belly.

[Snoutport]

32. WORSE even...they might have been hacking the cop investigating the girl's murder...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-14349700

[thereismore]

74. Mr. Underhill! Wasn't it Mr. Underhill that brought down Sauron in the end?

Any Talkien aficionados here?

[The Blue Flower]

83. Good catch

nt

[roguevalley]

21. I want Murdoch and his spawn to live forever. In a card board

box. take that batshit wife with him.

[Snoutport]

23. ah...at least he knows she has his back

probably the only person in the world who does.

[roguevalley]

48. true. but someone needs to hand her a mirror to practice neutral

facial expressions if she intends to go to hearings. She looked like an entitlement queen who had to cancel a manicure at the parliamentary hearings. that doesn't help him. I truly thought I hated him until I saw her pout.

[TrollBuster9090]

56. Ideally, it would be best if the scandal spreads to FNC JUST as the election is getting underway.

So that Fox News:

a) BECOMES one of the election issues,
b) has to spend all of their time and energy spinning defensive propaganda to protect themselves, rather than spinning offensive propaganda against Democrats, and
c) given the number of current and former Republican politicians that work at Fox, splashes the GOP by association with a sleazeball criminal enterprise.

[saras]

64. Ideally, there are treason trials and executions. Dozens of them.

But we don't live in an ideal world.

[Ikonoklast]

2. If it is shown that ONE government computer was hacked, all Hell will rain down on Mordock.

It will be shown to be an ongoing criminal enterprise, with questionable national loyalties, exposing state secrets to who knows who?

[dixiegrrrrl]

12. Except the big international banks ( including our big 5 ) are also know to be

"ongoing criminal enterprise, with questionable national loyalties, exposing state secrets to who knows who?"
and nothing has happened to them.

color me skeptical of any serious outcome.

[Snoutport]

19. Any loss of his influence is a win

He didn't take over England's BSkyB AND News Corp is now thinking of getting out of the newspaper industry. News of the WOlrd brainwashed 2.6 million readers (plus any additional reader...imagine how many people read a newspaper in a cafe in a week. How many in a Dr's office or a waiting room. All those people are reading something else now.

When the world's largest paper closes and no longer poisons the general public's mind...you GOTTA take that as a win!!!

[malaise]

22. Yes he has already lost power and influence

but I'm greedy - I want way more :fistbump:

Down he comes

[Snoutport]

25. I'm already thinking of curling up with a cup of coffee to read monday's news

I don't usually follow stories like this but....jeez...I am loving all the stories to read on the scandal.

What did I miss while I was gone?

[MagickMuffin]

46. But How many Americans are Readers?!? I would wager not very many!

We don't read no stinkin' newspapers. Give us Fox News 24/7 and they'll do our thinkin' for us.

Oh, and Fox News is currently on in a lot of business establishments. Americans like to be told what to think. We are a nation of very lazy mentally challenged people.

[TrollBuster9090]

54. Fox is part of the Murdoch empire. If the scandal takes down the newspapers, it will send

shockwaves through his TV empire, too. In fact, it already has, in Europe. And not just in the form of "cosmetic" problems that can be solved by the CEO of the paper or TV network resigning, or changing the name but not the staff of the paper. We're talking stockholder revolts, here. Wherever MONEY is effected, it's serious.

[Snoutport]

77. He's losing his most trusted employees...the ones who have lock stepped in line

in line behind him. A Commander with no generals has a hard time getting much done...

[Turborama]

66. They'll probably migrate to the Mail on Sunday to get their reich wing brainwashing fix

Or the Sunday Express.

Unfortunately, The (daily) Sun still exists and as far as Sunday papers go the MoS and the SE are much more dangerous to Britain's mindset than the NoW was. I know from 1st hand experience as my step mother is a huge fan of MoS - and the Daily version - and she is the archetypal English wingnut.

[Chan790]

47. I keep telling people how to take those banks down...but nobody listens.

They're looking for proof of mortgage fraud and other white-collar financial crimes; they should be looking for OFAC violations. That's the juicy, destroy-the-bank stuff; that's what gives bank executives nightmares; there is no too big to be charged with these kinds of crimes (everything from obs. of justice to RICO to money laundering and terrorism) when they involve national security. I'm ahead of myself here.

There is a US intelligence agency organized under the US Dept. of the Treasury called OFAC (Office of Foreign Assets Control) whose purpose for existence is to ID, disrupt and seize the assets of terrorists, drug cartels, rogue states, weapons traffickers and foreign agents of espionage.

What does this have to do with banks? Banks (and any business engaged in international trade for that matter) are required to act to insure they're not in violation of holding these accounts, doing business with restricted parties or being used to conduct or obscure financial crimes of this type; also to maintain comprehensive OFAC compliance...the penalties are very severe and related subsequent acts are actionable. (i.e you knowingly (or should have known) launder money used to finance an assassination, you can be charged with murder.) Even unintentional violations (such as those resulting from poor operational control, ineptitude or failure to maintain compliance) are treated as criminal...just ask Riggs Bank. (If being the house-bank of the CIA and having the uncle and brother of two of the most-corrupt POTUS in recent history head your Board of Directors isn't enough to get you off the hook for sheltering and laundering money for Pinochet, nobody is above reproach.)

Okay, still with me? Banks are required to maintain offices and taskforces to insure OFAC compliance and review accounts and transactions. Problem: there are too many accounts and transactions being accessed every day, too many being created or terminated, too many people walking into the bank and handing the teller or financial-services rep (the average bank doesn't even train branch staff on what to look for.) large cash or official check transactions (These generate reports and paperwork but not enough scrutiny to ID anybody trained to avoid detection). It's not possible to review them all. Problem: The people planning and committing OFAC-violation crimes are very very good at what they do...we're not talking about your average schmuck, we're talking about foreign operatives with the full-backing of hostile states, financial professionals and other highly-trained people who get paid very well to not get caught. Reality: It's an accepted annoyance of bank executives that it'd be a safe bet to assume that every major US bank has at least one and probably several serious OFAC violations in the books they'll never find. The operating wager is that if the people the bank pays to insure compliance and ferret out the violations can't find them, neither can OFAC. As an insider, I know that the bank I work for isn't trying real hard to find the very profitable accounts they're supposed to be shutting down and reporting.

What advantage does the public and indie media have? We're legion. Find the crimes, turn over the proof and publicize them so they can't be swept away...watch the monsters die.

[TrollBuster9090]

53. Sadly, if the DOJ was interested in prosecuting OFAC violations Phil Gramm would have been in jail

long ago, with all his UBS tax violations.

Having said that, however, I think if there ARE going to be any DOJ actions they'll take place after the 2012 elections (provided Obama is re-elected). I think 2013 might be a good year. That's when a lot of the health care act will kick in, it's when the Bush tax cuts will expire, and (I think) when a lot of Dodd-Frank will come in to effect.

[david_vincent]

80. For that matter, Diamond Parking in Seattle is an ongoing criminal enterprise eom

[Snoutport]

13. hmmmmm....treason of sorts, eh?

[Snoutport]

16. Read this! you got what you asked for!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/new-police-investigation-will-probe-computer-hacking-2328625.html

"claims that the News of the World stole secrets from the computer hard drives of public figures, journalists and intelligence officers."

[TrollBuster9090]

58. Most likely: Labor Party computers and phone lines were hacked, but not Conservative Party ones.

Their half of the scandal will be that the Murdoch empire didn't HAVE to hack their computers to get information. They were passing it to them directly. Phone records will confirm that.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

3. This bodes well for all of us.

I hope it comes to pass that we do see an NewsCorp free world. :D

[Snoutport]

26. or at least laws stopping these kind of monopolies....

too much power for one person...or one company.

[Aerows]

4. He's evil

and he's part of the reason why much of the world has taken a turn for the right, and a turn for the worst.

[Snoutport]

29. He has filled the world with hate, distrust and contempt for our fellow men

Everywhere he has gone he has been a cancer causing misery and bad energy to anyone under his influence.

He truly is a bad, bad man.

[TrollBuster9090]

59. And SOLD it using pink tits on page 3.

Neither Goebbels nor Stalin understood that the most potent form of propaganda combines large print yellow journalism with soft-core pornography.

[MadMaddie]

5. The real test is if Faux falls

I think they are scared and their reporting is getting more extremist. I think Pigboy is starting to sweat too.....

[Snoutport]

30. yeah....journalists save their notes so the little guy will be able to implicate the bigger guys

when your boss tells you to break the law you keep the proof if you are a journalist. It is hard to find a fall guy when all the fall guy's have crap on you!

[TrollBuster9090]

60. Limbaugh's ratings down 30%. Why do you think he's switched to selling TEA?

The drop in ratings may have to do with the fact that the ratings agencies switched to a new method of measuring the amount of time people spend listening to his pogrom....er...PROGRAM. They used to rely on a self survey method where his supporters would typically write down that they listened to him more often than they actually did. But then they switched to an objective recording method where radio listeners wear a recording device that picks up whatever radio station you're listening to when you're within earshot of a radio. (ie-you can't turn on the drugster's show, and then go down to the basement for an hour to oil your gun collection. You actually have to be LISTENING.) When they switched to the new method they found his ratings are 30% lower. Whether that was due to inaccurate reporting, or just waning interest....I'm not surprised he's now marketing his own brand of TEA, complete with a picture of him dressed up as Paul Revere.

He may have reached his limit when it comes to making money by f*cking up the country, and now needs to make money f*cking up peoples' kidneys instead.

[madokie]

6. I hope you're right

What I mean is what you've written is correct I just hope your predictions come true.
Camping huh, my wife loves to camp but to me an ideal camping trip is to head out to the camp site so as to get there with enough time to set up camp and cook a supper meal then get up the next morning to some cowboy coffee and bacon and egg breakfast cooked over the camp fire then pack up and try to be home before noon. :-)

[Snoutport]

31. really? all that work for one night??

but...two meals is EASY to plan. We did a pot of cowboy coffee and I have a camping espresso maker...couple of minutes on the fire and you have a strong cup of coffee.

It's not that I'm a coffee snob...it's just I like to have a nice strong cup...otherwise I can't be bothered.

[southernyankeebelle]

7. I'm glad your positive. I wish I could be. I hope your right.

[WhiteTara]

8. Roger Ailes is in the wings ready to carry on. n/t

[Snoutport]

10. He won't last long without Murdoch pulling his strings....

[WhiteTara]

20. I like your thinking. n/t

[Maru Kitteh]

11. Camping will do that! I am so glad you had a good time.

This whole Murdoch thing is about the only thing that's made July worthwhile.

:patriot:

[Snoutport]

33. I agree...that and my garden :0)

[malaise]

14. Great post

I want the evidence of their planned attacks against liberals in the US as well.

[certainot]

17. great , except..... talk radio does the heavy lifting

fox ifs the visual icing on the talk radio lie turd pie, but i wish you were right

[Snoutport]

35. yeah...talk radio... we need those laws it is illegal to lie knowingly on the news

like Canada has. That would sure help.

[Glimmer of Hope]

18. He is in deep doodoo.

[Snoutport]

37. and it gets deeper every day :0)

[Imajika]

24. If anyone thinks Fox News, NY Post, Wall Street Journal, etc, etc...

...won't continue spewing an endless stream of obnoxious right wing talking points 24/7 they are sadly mistaken.

This scandal appears, in the short term, to make it harder for NewsCorp to acquire any more media which is good, but it won't put a dent in what they are doing now. Even if Murdoch and his creepy kid were arrested and jailed, this teabagger media would not go away.

And I can't really get excited about this scandal anyway. I am not shocked that tabloids steal hard drives and hack phones - I bet the Enquirer and other garbage media like it do the exact same thing. That it appears to have been institutionalized is troubling, but color me not particularly surprised.

And lastly, the point that right wing media is so profitable and attracts so many viewers/readers has already been made. If Fox News imploded tomorrow, another propaganda network just like it would appear overnight. There is a big market for the crap they peddle, so don't think for a minute media like Fox is going to go away.

[Snoutport]

38. he lost his bskyb bid, he lost News of the World--the world's LARGEST newspaper

so he is getting slapped down some.

There are not a lot of people with the money and the hate that Rupert Murdoch has. But, you are right. There is always another horrible person waiting in the wings. And we will continue the human story of good vs. evil. I'm just enjoying the fact that we're finally getting some licks in during the battle.

[Imajika]

39. Yeah, losing the bskyb deal was a great outcome...

We don't need Fox News UK or Fox News anywhere else if we can prevent it.

[Snoutport]

44. No you don't! It is like a cancer!

Are you British? Do you think they will make laws making sure monopolies like this can't be formed in the future?

[oldhippydude]

65. the laws will last

only as long as we a semi honest politician..the next power hungry, willing to make a deal with the devil and you will have the next Rupert... after all he couldn't have got an American toe hold, if it were not for folks like Rudy G.. hell maybe the next S.L.A. will kidnap one of his heirs.. (alas but i digress)

[SteppingRazor]

87. small point, but worth noting ... NotW was not the world's largest newspaper.

I think it was the largest English-language, some 50 years ago, but hadn't even owned that title for quite some time. Which is not to say it wasn't a successful newspaper -- it was, without a doubt.

[Shandris]

27. Until I see his slimy old ass in chains doing 20 to life in...

...Riker's Maximum-pound-me-in-the-ass Security cell, it won't be enough.

[Snoutport]

43. I'm afraid Murdoch Sr will die of old age long before that trial would be done

would you settle for his son and the break-up of his media holdings?

[Shandris]

52. Absolutely.

So long as we can burn the older one in effigy and reenact some form of humiliating burial service. Say, inviting the entire pigeon population of New York City? :D

[TrollBuster9090]

62. I have two words for you: Ian Maxwell

The son doesn't pay for the sins of the father.

Take the Conrad Black story and be satisfied with it. ;)

[Waiting For Everyman]

34. K&R

[truedelphi]

36. Thank you for posting more of the Murdoch scandal. n/t

[Snoutport]

41. I was kind of worried I would miss it while I was out of town

but I didn't think about it at all except to think there would be fun things to read when I got home. I stayed up pretty late last night catching up but, I swear, it was really exciting like reading a great book or seeing a really good movie!!

[oldhippydude]

67. i know what you mean..

with all this Debt ceiling crap (smoke and mirrors) i hunger for some good news, I'm old enough to remember vividly the senate watergate hearings..i somehow think the drip, drip, drip of this story is something I want to keep track of..hell we are not even to the "Martha Mitchell Moment" yet, let alone "what did Rupert know, and when did he know it"... thanks for your appraisal and tenacity following this story

[spanone]

40. k&r...

[OneGrassRoot]

42. I really appreciate your updates about the his. K&R :) n/t

[blue neen]

45. Your posts have been very informative and valuable.

Thanks!

:patriot:

[Snoutport]

50. my pleasure!

[blogslut]

49. It's the heartstring hacks that are enraging the British public

...and in turn, keeping the pressure to dig deeper going. A jaded populace can easily compartmentalize spying on celebrities, politicians and police as nasty-business-as-usual. But you don't fuck around with little girls and grieving mothers.

This thing just keeps growing legs and I am, once again, amazed at the way fate forces its will.

[caseymoz]

51. But what about the US?

Where this beast shows no signs of injury?

[Firebrand Gary]

55. The United States can break up his organization if need be.

I would have a hard time believing that should this drama jump the pond and duplicate itself here than thats exactly what is going to happen.

[SusanaMontana41]

57. Thank you for the update. It's hard to keep on top of all this. n/t

[Safetykitten]

61. You do know nothing will happen, don't you?

[Snoutport]

78. His company is bleeding its top employees

head of legal is gone
head of news corp is gone
many editors gone
andy coulson is gone
Les Hinton, gone

Murdoch is losing his biggest supporters. That is a win already. It has taken him his whole career to put this army of minions together and he has lost a bulk of them in a few short months.

[McCamy Taylor]

63. Prediction---he'll be forced out of England but will only get stronger over here.

'Cause money talks in this country. Hell, we welcome war criminals with open arms if they are rich enough.

[harmonicon]

68. I'm afraid that that's just wishful thinking for the most part.

I doubt this will ever touch Fox News or even most Murdoch operations in the US. Whoever is in charge, they know that fomenting hate from the right is good business, and they will keep doing it.

I also doubt that it will bring down the government in the UK, because the Tories have no shame, and the LibDems are spineless.

[electropop]

76. LibDems are spineless because Murdoch has blackmailed them too.

Wait and see - we'll find out he is behind a lot of the shocking behavior we've been seeing from all our Democrats-cum-Republocrats.

[MaeScott]

69. K and R for karma's sake. nt

[90-percent]

70. Murdoch

I think that the powerful people ("THE POWERS THAT BE") are almost all cut from the same cloth as Rupert here. There are hundreds of Corporate, Institutional and political Murdoch's that have infested our government and Institutions.

The character and values of a typical over-bonused hedge fund manager is remarkably similar to Rupert here. But, we've got to start somewhere and Murdoch going down is A GOOD START.

This is just the beginning of the cleansing of our Worldwide Institutional rot!

-90% Jimmy

[MrMickeysMom]

71. Vacation has a way of doing that to you...

I hope you're correct... Meanwhile, I'll try to believe that business will behave more like business.

Can you tell I've not had much vacation for a long time? :-)

[Solidbold2011]

72. same problem different issue

How has Murdoch's media empire been faring as of late? What are the ratings/circulations numbers?

It's easy to declare something "over". It's harder to kill it.

You could release the Uruk-Hai amongst conservatives and if you told them they were "freedom fighters" against government socialism, they'd cheer as their neighborhood was sacked.

[Reader Rabbit]

73. Don't get my hopes up.

Would love for all you predict to happen, but if it doesn't, I'm going to cry.

[paparush]

75. Sorry, what was the phrase during the OJ trial, "you can't convict $4 million dollars?"

something like that.

Same applies here but we're the scale is billions rather than millions.

Maybe the Britts have more stones than we Americans.

Over here, we excuse the telcoms for spying on citizens.

No way any real damage is done to Fox over here.

I'm willing to accept that I could be wrong. I've seen advertisers pull out of Beck's show, from Limbaugh's show, so maybe there's hope?

[Gregorian]

79. Yes, but look at OJ now.

The sad part is how long it takes.

[pam4water]

81. Is not thing seems to change.

[Auntie Bush]

82. Maybe they'll lose Murdoch...but they'll still have Rush and all his FOX friends to

push their propaganda. So until the whole FOX network is taken down...we still have lots and lots to worry about.

[nikto]

84. But WHAT ABOUT MURDOCH IN THE USA??

I refuse to celebrate until RM is
totally destroyed here *in the USA* as well.

Not before.

We're not safe until America can piss on the ashes
of Murdoch's former empire.



(Note key word: "former")

[abelenkpe]

86. + 1 nt

[TygrBright]

85. I'm happy for Britain. Really happy. But I ain't dancin' in the streets...

...until I see Roger Ailes' slimy, festering behind parked on a chair in front of an FCC that's looking for an excuse to shut Faux "News" down for good.

THEN I'll dance in the streets.

Nekkid.

And toss silver dollars and little bottles of tequila to the spectators.

Promise.

pessimistically,
Bright