I'm a liberal. If you're a liberal, too, maybe you can tell me: Who the fuck is on OUR side?

[Stinky The Clown]

It looks like the teabaggers got what they wanted and we got fucked.

[scheming daemons]

1. No... they didn't. The debt ceiling will be raised, and they didn't want that

They're all pissed right now too.

[derby378]

4. It was going to be raised no matter what

The real sticking point is - are the trust fund kids going to have their taxes raised?

[leveymg]

7. They're getting the cuts to social programs they do want along with no new taxes.

G.H.W. Bush couldn't deliver that, but Barack Obama is.

[DURHAM D]

9. Only 20 of the House members really didn't want the debt ceiling lift.

The rest of them are jumping up and down with glee and laughing at the way the Democrats are being squeezed by their own President.

[grahamhgreen]

20. I know they got want they want, cuz I can feel it in my @SS

[treestar]

56. Yeah, just listen to the counterparts

That's why we should read right wing media. Listen to rush a little while, to get perspective. Boner caved. The Republicans are enabling the Marxist Obama. Giving him another blank check. Oh, if only boner had balls! He's spineless. He should have let the nation default rather than let Obama have his way.

This discussion so pervasive on DU is like high school level. The average American reads on an 8th grade level, so perhaps it is not surprising that the schoolyard is the only metaphor.

[villager]

2. no one. We "don't matter," and yet "it's our fault" when elections reinforce corporate rule

...and the out-and-crazies win, as opposed to the merely hypocritical and debased.

[HappyMe]

3. Who the hell knows

if WE are even on OUR own side!?

[Safetykitten]

5. Entitlement Man! Our new hero that will fight the republicans and Democrats...

bent on dismantling all programs deemed worthless!

[seabeckind]

6. Nobody that I've seen

Everytime I hear one of our dem congresscritters, they say we have to reign in spending.

I listened to Daley the other day for about 20 seconds -- until he used the magic word "entitlements".

Any dem or spokesperson who uses that word immediately tell me he's arguing from the gop viewpoint.

Anyone who ever uses that word will NEVER get my vote.

Your gdam right -- it is an entitlement. I paid into it and I'm entitled to it. Anybody who says I'm not can just kiss my...

[sabrina 1]

26. SS is not part of Govt Spending. Did anyone tell him that?

The SS Fund which belongs to the American People has been borrowed and we want it back. We are creditors of the US Govt. They spent money. SS spent nothing and contributed not a single dime to the deficit.

This is sickening, but not surprising. I want to hear the excuses now from those who said it was not going to happen.

[Scuba]

31. +1

[AmBlue]

48. Bernie Sanders is on our side.

And I wish to hell he'd primary Obama.

[El Supremo]

8. Dennis Kucinich is on MY side.

And I'm mostly liberal.

[madinmaryland]

12. You can't even figure out who you are a fan of...

:wtf:

[El Supremo]

14. I used to be a fan of many....

Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Edwards and the Dallas Cowboys. But they all disappointed me.

[dameocrat67]

43. why wont he primary obama then.

n/t

[treestar]

58. He ran directly against Obama in 2008

Came in a very distance 8th, or thereabouts.

[dameocrat67]

66. there is more a demand for a real liberal this time

n/t

[treestar]

69. This statement needs to be proven

Polls show high liberal support for Obama.

[dameocrat67]

72. self described liberal does not mean much

you have to look at issues.

[treestar]

73. So where is the issues poll?

I don't "have to" do anything.

[dameocrat67]

78. well you just have to not be reading any threads in the past week

many democrats would like to see obama primaried.

http://www.correntewire.com/the_left_controls_the_margin_and_the_margin_controls_obamas_election

polls that show most do not want social security and medicare cut.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/from-the-debt-debate-to-the-coming-hostage-revolt/2011/07/30/gIQAZrDclI_story.html

you need to get out of the ofa cave more often.

[readmoreoften]

51. Dennis Kucinich pushed me into voting for Obama in the first place.

He hems and haws but is a company man in the final instance.

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[Bonobo]

11. The only answer, from the beginning, was to call their bluff.

Let them shut down the govt. over oil-subsidies and corporate jet subsidies.

Pretty soon the shouting would have been so loud and the Republicans would have shot themselves in the face for elections to come.

Instead, Obama said: "Don't call my bluff!" while offering up all his positions.

[seabeckind]

18. If he invokes the 14th

they will tell their tea guys that they tried but those spend happy dems could not be reigned in.

If we have a deal, we get screwed.

The only option? Get that stupid assed Reid to do a one page bill to bump the limit. Introduce a different bill to stop the wars. Another to kill the bush tax cuts right now. The third to reregulate business and reinstate the anti-trust. The 4th to raise the SS cap.

Get Nancy to do the same thing in the House with all the dems as co-sponsors.

Tell any dem who doesn't get on board to order new business cards without the D.

And then start having a press conference every f'in day saying what the status is and who's holding it up. On each bill show exactly what the effect is on the deficit. We have a CBO -- use them.

Maybe have a running total tote board on the back of Carney's shirt.

What a bunch of f'in losers.

Who's in charge? Yeah, dumb question. NOBODY.

[stklurker]

45. bingo!

Correct... everyone is wailing about Obama, and while he definitely is not being strong enough there is NOTHING cooking in the House or Senate from the supposed 'political leaders' to rally around. Harry Reids try has been the only thing even close, Pelosi is busy campaigning to her interest groups instead of kicking some a$$

[joshcryer]

13. People who may or may not be running for election in 2012.

If they are not running, you should convince them to run, or run yourself. It is hard work (which is why I can't do it, have my own life priorities), extremely draining, but if we get enough we can do all sorts of stuff.

Get a veto-proof majority in the House and Senate and you can change the world.

[provis99]

15. looks like only liberal ghosts are on our side; like FDR.

I've never heard so much about FDR since Obama took over.
For any other liberal heroes, Steve Earle sang it best:

"So come back, Emma Goldman
Rise up, old Joe Hill
The barracades are goin' up
They cannot break our will
Come back to us, Malcolm X
And Martin Luther King..."

Nothing left but ghosts...

[bluestate10]

34. A close analysis of FDR's record would show that he was NOT liberal

by the standards that are being applied today. In fact, he was considerably conservative and yielded to the reactionary forces of his day. Truman had more monumental social legislation passed under his watch.

[Enthusiast]

38. Always with the attacks on FDR.

Every chance you get. Real Democrats don't do that.

[AlabamaLibrul]

55. Reagan Democrats are the New Democrats(tm)

It's the hip, new third way.

[treestar]

60. But real Democrats DO attack Obama!

:wtf:

[Enthusiast]

70. We attack Republicans where ever we find them.

On DU and anywhere else.

[BuelahWitch]

71. +1

[treestar]

59. Exactly, this deification is just like the right's of Reagan

Being dead 60 years or more means the details of your political career have faded.

FDR certainly did not get everything today's liberals want. The standard applied to Obama now applied to FDR - why aren't they asking why FDR caved so much and didn't get it all? Didn't get single payer either.

using FDR to bash Obama sucks. It's just in bad faith. Judging by totally different standards.

[JoeyT]

77. Funny you should mention the right's deification of Reagan in the same sentence as Obama.

Since that's a bit of a litmus test for a person's political orientation, which one does Obama deify? Reagan or FDR?

[Enthusiast]

37. PLUS ONE!

[lonestarnot]

16. During shock and awe, everyone looks alike. Only difference is the smell.

[AmericaIsGreat]

17. In government? A handful of people. That's it.

America is not a liberal country and never has been. We've never had a liberal President and likely won't have one anytime soon.

[adhd_what_huh]

19. they have exposed themselves and are roundly hated

[grahamhgreen]

21. We are. The People are. 83% wanted to raise taxes on the hoarding class.

[Enthusiast]

39. Exactly.

The "hording class". I like it.

[treestar]

61. Why don't the 80% get out and vote?

And vote Democratic rather than Republican?

:wtf:

Voters need to learn this is a republic with elected officials and start blaming themselves.

[Better Believe It]

22. He is on our side and has been for decades.

[AlabamaLibrul]

57. Yay Ralph Nader

Happily taking up the post immediately under BBI without saying "Fuck Nader.. nt"

:)

[treestar]

62. But what has he done?

If he's on our side, why don't we choose to elect him?

this looking for someone out of power to deify is just lazy. At least it's not Julian A. this time.

[kestrel91316]

23. Beats me. Bernie?

[tblue]

24. Grayson, Feingold, Wiener, and, oh wait.

Sanders, Kucimich, the Progressive Caucus, I hope. Anyway, it's not even 'our' side. It's the 'little guy's side.

[cascadiance]

25. Hopefully we can get a real progressive soon to replace Wu to start the march!

I'm going to be studying the candidate field real hard the coming weeks and be f'ing demanding who will be my new rep!

Maybe we need to work on a "quiz" that we can provide to prospective primary candidates during this election to smell out and get rid of the corporatists come primary time. We can then hopefully share and use it in other locales too.

[bluestate10]

36. Unlikely that Wu will be replaced with a progressive. The Oregon district

that Wu represents is moderate-conservative. A democrat will likely win it, but that democrat is unlikely to be a progressive.

[cascadiance]

53. I know... I live there, but that doesn't mean we can't try to get someone that's moreso...

Even if comes from just talking to someone and understanding their feelings more, it is a goal to get a more progressive candidate fielded in this sort of district is a win. And I do think someone that is more progressive could still win here too. Believe me, I knew that battle when I lived in an even more conservative district in San Diego. I knew that Francine Busby wasn't going to touch public campaign financing as a campaign issue much as I wanted to know where she stood on it.

[treestar]

63. I had some contact with the Kucinich campaign

It was appalling. I called to volunteer and that made me state chairman. Summer of 2008.

IOW, if these people are so on "our side" why didn't we work to get them elected?

This is just looking to one person to be savior and do all the work.

[saras]

27. If they take money from corporations, they can't be trusted

In my experience, that generally includes having a corporate job.

So who does that leave?

[Raine]

28. A few claim to be but anymore I don't trust

them. I come closest to trusting Bernie Sanders but they will make sure he never has any real power backing behind him.

[LeftofU]

29. Hey, I'm a leftist and all hear is ...

....cricket chirps. Good luck.

[McCamy Taylor]

30. We are on our side. And if we are on the side of the American worker, then the American worker will

side with us.

Solidarity is the key. Divide and Conquer is the GOP's favorite game. And I see a whole lot of Divide and Conquer in the MSM recently. Its almost as bad as the Obama-Hillary Wars in 2008.

[RagAss]

32. Me.

[rucky]

33. Just us.

too bad we can't organize effectively.

[sendero]

35. Nobody...

... that's who. Nobody with any power in Washington.

[rug]

40. History.

[WonderGrunion]

41. We are the change we are waiting for.

I believe a very bright presidential candidate said that a couple of years ago and everyone didn't pay attention, voted and went home and wondered why he wasn't doing what we were supposed to be doing.

[RandomKoolzip]

74. Oh, so WE can just go raise taxes on the wealthy, then? Shit, I wish I knew I could go do that!

Thanks for the heads up, man!

:rolleyes:

[Warren Stupidity]

42. The normal political process appears to be a dead end.

So now what?

[dameocrat67]

44. until a democrat primaries this president not a damn one of

them is on our side.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

46. You can find them under the bus with the old, the sick, and the poor.

[n2doc]

47. Sanders

"Socialists" are about all that are left of the left in this country, politically speaking. Sanders would have been a mainstream Dem back in the 60's.

Sure as heck isn't our Democratic President.

[Paladin]

49. Nobody Effective. (n/t)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

50. And Medicare on the table in the 2nd round. The Democratic Party was infiltrated by trojan horses.

All of these bullshit negotiations are kabuki theater.

[Urban Prairie]

52. Not nearly enough in DC are on "our" side, they pay lip service only while campaigning

then we are largely ignored, by them and the MSM.

If there were two separate protest rallies happening at the same time and nearby each other, with an equal amount of teabaggers and liberals within both, which group would receive the most attention and coverage? Which group would most likely be mentioned by their party leaders?

Hint: the one with the misspelled signs, hover-rounds, and wearing US flag-style and/or Revolutionary War-era clothing.

[treestar]

54. this sounds like someone in a divorce

A court splits things down the middle and both sides wail "he/she got everything he/she wanted!"

Because they have no perspective or big picture in that circumstance, so what he/she wants is considered to be the middle position so not getting everything he/she wants means that she/he got everything she/he wanted. Or he/he and she/she in gay marriages.

[mike_c]

64. we have almost no representation in national leadership....

There ARE liberals in leadership, of course, but they are few and they are marginalized.

[Greybnk48]

65. We're on our own it appears.

I include in that "we" Feingold, Sanders, etc.

[slay]

67. Bernie Sanders

Dennis Kucinich.. Alan Grayson.. maybe a few others.. not many.. not enough.. :(

not enough real people and too many sell-outs.

[socialist_n_TN]

68. Well, I'm not a liberal, I'm a Marxist, so yeah

I KNOW whose side I'm on.

[mainstreetonce]

76. The whole thing is one big mess.

mess

[Anser]

75. We are

The People are on our side.

The Money is not.

Money is used to trick the people.

We lose.