ABC has now revised its story to say a vote on the Balanced Budget Amendment is part of the deal

[highplainsdem]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/07/white-house-republicans-strike-tenative-deal-to-raise-debt-ceiling-.html

] * Debt ceiling increase of up to $2.8 trillion
* Spending cuts of roughly $1 trillion
* Special committee to recommend cuts of $1.8 trillion (or whatever it takes to add up to the total of the debt ceiling increase)
* Vote on the Balanced Budget Amendment
* Committee must make recommendations before Thanksgiving recess
* If Congress does not approve those cuts by late December, automatic across-the-board cuts go into effect, including cuts to Defense and Medicare.

That wasn't part of the initial story.

Sounds as if the Republicans are getting basically everything they want.

This was not a "deal" -- this was extortion, with the extortionists winning.

[Horse with no Name]

1. and the hits just keep on coming. n/t

[roguevalley]

59. don't worry. President Carebear's supporters will make it allll better.

[scheming daemons]

2. A vote on the BBA is meaningless.... they can have their vote... it won't pass

Promise them all the votes they want this session... Democratic Senate will kill them all.



BBA requires a 2/3 vote. Never happen.

[still_one]

10. Agreed. /nt

[aquart]

30. Their requirement was that it pass both houses IIRC.

And they can rot in Hell.

[scheming daemons]

33. No.. the requirement is that there be a VOTE in both houses

[JCMach1]

3. So Obama's secret strategy was to surrender...

[Horse with no Name]

7. but not before weakening the whole fucking party

right down to the local dogcatcher.

[DURHAM D]

12. AMEN.

[JCMach1]

15. You are right... where is the electability now?

[TheWraith]

16. Oh bullshit. You're really so terrified of a meaningless vote? nt

[proverbialwisdom]

36. It's ALL the rest you're so conveniently overlooking.

* Special committee to recommend cuts of $1.8 trillion (or whatever it takes to add up to the total of the debt ceiling increase)
* Committee must make recommendations before Thanksgiving recess
* If Congress does not approve those cuts by late December, automatic across-the-board cuts go into effect, including cuts to Defense and Medicare.


Boo.

[scheming daemons]

48. This thread is about outrage over allowing a BBA vote... not the rest of it

[elocs]

28. Well that's a pretty tricky strategy if you don't see it coming. n/t

[sasha031]

4. I am beyond disgusted,

[scheming daemons]

11. Why does a vote on the BBA scare you? It can't pass.. it needs 2/3. It's a meaningless giveaway

Let them have their vote.

So what?

[newmexicodem]

24. It is all about Elections

In regard to the Balanced Budget issue.....

Alot of Dems in the Senate are on record of saying the "budget should be balanced". The GOP knows a Balanced Budget Amendment won't become law. It doesn't have to. They just want Dems to vote on it so it can be on the record and so that the Tea Party can use it against them during the Election

[alcibiades_mystery]

52. Now you're scared about what Republicans will say in elections?

:rofl:

They already have every Democratic House member and Senator on record voting against BBA in the form of the Cut Cap and Balance or the Boehner plan. I thought we were supposed to be bold, and not worried about what they might say, anyway. You can't scream for leadership one minute then tremble at the thought of some Tea Bagger tagging you as anti-balanced budget the next. At least be consistent.

[Tony_FLADEM]

5. I don't think the balanced budget amendment is a big deal

If it did get ratified it would take at least 10 years. The budget might need to be balanced by then anyway. Any undesirable cuts can be undone later on.

[erodriguez]

20. Balanced budget amendment means you could never ever borrow money to stimualte the economy during aa

recession.


Which is exactly what you need to do.

[alcibiades_mystery]

42. It won't ever pass the Senate

For Gawd's sake, they already voted against the BBA twice, in both the Cut, Cap, and Balance bill and in the Boehner bill.

[BlueIdaho]

6. Isn't this the same deal the Senate just shot down?

Somebody STOP Obama from negotiating against us - P L E A S E!

[maryellen99]

18. Welcome President Bachmann-ughh

Obama brought this on himself.

[BlueIdaho]

60. Bachmann will NOT be the candidate.

But Obama is starting to look like the most effective republican president in my lifetime. So, who cares who they run? They are have a win - win scenario.

[CelticThunder]

8. Obama betrays us, once again.

[scheming daemons]

13. How? By allowing the GOP to hold a vote on something that won't pass?

[kelly1mm]

53. No, by agreeing to automatic cuts to medicare. nt

[CelticThunder]

63. Yup. By OFFERING UP THE CUTS voluntarily.

[still_one]

31. Do you think boxer sanders Franken and other Xsprogressives will vote for it?

It won't happen

[provis99]

54. they'll vote for it; don't fool yourself.

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[Tx4obama]

14. Breaking -- Looks like ABC story is WRONG

thinkprogress
RT @samyoungman: Dem familiar with situation disputes ABC report

http://twitter.com/thinkprogress/status/97502157829447680

[CelticThunder]

19. Like it won't happen? Of course it will.

[Doctor Hurt]

A lot of people here are going to have the SADS if this isn't true

it means they'll just have to wait to get ginned up.

[CelticThunder]

64. No - we'll be extremely surprised if Obama doesn't run true to form.

[socialshockwave]

17. WTF

WHY DO YOU KEEP PUTTING UP WITH THIS CORPORATE PRESIDENT?!

It's clear he has no interest in Main Street. His interests lie in WALL STREET!

This is another betrayal....the worst....

PRIMARY HIM!

IMPEACH! DO SOMETHING!

CALL YOUR CONGRESSMEN AND WOMEN AND SEND CHRISTMAS CARDS UPSIDE DOWN!

[Doctor Hurt]

25. Have you met my pal, Mr. Esstee Effyoo?

impeach? For what crime?

[socialshockwave]

29. Ok, ok...

Apparently the whole story is wrong so I apologize. Was just angered that Obama would fold like a house of cards and agree to almost the same terms as Boehner Bill that was rejected.

[fishwax]

21. they may get the vote, but it won't pass

then they'll try to use that as an issue in the 2012 campaign, but Dems should be able to use the last several weeks of holding the country hostage.

[pnwmom]

22. So they get a vote that they lose in the Senate. Big deal. n/t

[FLAprogressive]

23. Even though it won't pass, the GOP will use it in the election as fodder for low-info independents.

[Doctor Hurt]

26. can't do anything about them.

They're low information for a reason.

[still_one]

27. Those low info independents don't know what a debt ceiling is. /nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

45. Why wouldn't they use Cut Cap and Balance?

They already have two votes against the BBA.

Now you're scared of a third? Why?

[Jakes Progress]

32. Kabuki 24/7

Don't you love the leadership from Washington?

Did anyone think it was possible to have a lower opinion of politicians?

[malaise]

34. I discovered the other night that the head of ABCs

Political Division was a Bush strategist.

[Stinky The Clown]

35. Well, this gets better and better

[scheming daemons]

39. You're letting emotion cloud your judgement again

Giving them a vote on BBA is a meaningless concession.

They can have a vote.

[Chan790]

37. I think that was a bargaining win...

the GOP had to negotiate for it...and it's worthless. That's the key to any good negotiation, make them give you something for nothing. It takes just 13 states to kill a BBA and it won't pass more than 30, maybe 33.

[grahamhgreen]

49. Its not really a BBA, it makes it illegal to tax the rich.

[Chan790]

55. It's DOA.

It could be an agreement to reinstate slavery, it has no chance of being state-ratified so its content is utterly meaningless except on an emotive/psychological level. How disgusted we are by its' content and how pleased the Tea Party is by its' content are both completely moot to actual politics.

And...they had to deal-make to get it. Fighting it so hard made them horse-trade something else away to get it, it probably got us the length of deal we sought.

Edit: To be clear, I know exactly what it says and it doesn't matter because it won't pass 37 state legislatures.

[grahamhgreen]

56. Except they really didnt have to give up anything to get it. All cuts.

[Chan790]

57. They wouldn't have gotten it if they didn't give something.

It's pretty obvious what they gave up...this framework towards a deal (because there is no deal yet, just a framework that requires details be filled-in) takes us past the election, something they were unwilling to do, just as the WH and Senate were unwilling to even consider this BBA.

We traded our meaningful "non-negotiable" for their meaningless one.

[grahamhgreen]

61. OMG. They don't care. They got our balls.

[grahamhgreen]

38. Extortion or complicity?

[alcibiades_mystery]

40. BBA Won't Pass

What's the fucking problem? The Senate already killed it twice this month alone.

:shrug:

[Bluebear]

41. Oh chill the fuck out, he's got this.

Lol

[Logical]

44. Grrrr.....you fooled me! :-)

[Vanje]

58. Heh!

nt

[Renew Deal]

43. They can vote on it and it will lose.

:shrug:

[woo me with science]

46. Actually, it was collusion. nt

[maryellen99]

47. I still think this "deal " won't pass in the House

The teabaggers want a default and the inmates are running the asylum.

[alcibiades_mystery]

50. The DIFFERENCE between the House plan on BBA and this is simple

The House plan, an absurdity, made the second stage of debt ceiling increase contingent on BBA passing both houses and going to the states.

A vote on the BBA means nothing, since they know the Senate will defeat it.

So, essentially, we have a major GOP retreat, from "We're not raising the debt ceiling again until BBA passes both houses," to "We'll send BBA to the Senate where we know it will lose."

Needless to say, the very helpful progressives interpret this as a massive defeat for the Democrats, when it is actually a modest Democratic victory. But people who will see ANY result whatsoever as a defeat for the Democrats will always see what they want to see.

[Tx4obama]

51. ********************* There is NO deal yet **************************

thinkprogress
RT @samyoungman: Dem familiar with situation disputes ABC report

http://twitter.com/thinkprogress/status/97502157829447680

[BlueIdaho]

62. Yeah, Obama is trying to find something else he can cave in on before he inks the deal.

[DCBob]

65. That BBA vote is meaningless.. it will never pass.

Thats just in there to appease the hard-core RWinger/tbagger types.