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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:35 PM Original message |
So what will constitute a loss for the Dem's? |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:36 PM Original message |
Anything short of a declaration that property is theft.... |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
3. Strawman. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Why? |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Saying that Obama is criticized @ DU because he fails to reflect Proudhonian |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. People have concerns. They're not legitimate. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. DU is an echo chamber of the ultra radical left? |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. Yes. DUers are far to the left of even regular liberal Democrats. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Keep making up fantasies. Obama's 40% approval rating contradicts your fantasy. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. DU is an echo chamber of campaign operatives out of touch with the American people |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
43. Yeah, those crazy, leftist concerns like protecting Medicare and Social Security. |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Polling yields broad-based popular support for compromise... |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. No, polling reveals broad-based hope that there will be consensus to fix this mess, |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Easy. You tell the public it's impossible, and why, and get their support in fixing it. |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I stipulated "with this Congress"... |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
9. -1 |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. I agree |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
2. Just from what I have seen with my own lying eyes |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Agree... |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
6. We have already lost. America has lost. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I feel you... |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Sausage making is messy |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. I said....if. |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Huh? I don't know what you're talking about. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. My bad... |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. I was totally happy w/Reid's plan (for the time being!). Apparently |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Nonsense. |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. The House has to vote on the Reid bill AFTER the Senate votes on it. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. OF COURSE he has defended benefit cuts. Repeatedly. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. You can kind of see in that link why he's getting his ass kicked |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Where, indeed. |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 05:23 PM Response to Reply #33 |
56. You're right, |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
27. And was voted down in the house yeah? Nt |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
7. We already lost. To quote Robert Reich: |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Bingo |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Exactly. But Obama seems more concerned with re-election than his party's historic platform, and w |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
30. "We don't have a budget crisis. We have a jobs and growth crisis." |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
14. I'm willing to forego the revenue since the Bush tax cuts are |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Do you really trust the Bush Tax Cuts expiring? |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Yes, they WILL expire December 31, 2012. Obama will NOT extend them. n/t |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. I didn't think he'd extend them last time. |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. Oh, bullshit - he said he wouldn't extend them LAST time. |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. So, you didn't think that the unemployment benefits should have been extended? |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #20 |
36. Obama may well be a lame duck in December 2012 |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. No he will NOT be a lame duck. Obama WILL win re-election in 2012. n/t |
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MrTriumph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Typical Obama Apologist hubris. Obama will take the DP to another 2010 election. |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. No, of course not, but I'm hopeful we could get our messaging |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
23. There are several charts floating around showing |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
29. It is not a win lose thing |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. Tell that to the teabaggers |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
35. It's already lost |
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blkmusclmachine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
37. Who is this "Obama." I don't recognize him AT ALL. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
42. Cuts to SS and/or Medicare are a loss. |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:48 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. There are NO cuts to SS and Medicare in the Reid plan. Go read it. n/t |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. House rejected Redis plan, so there is no Reid plan. Might want to read my post... |
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philly_bob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
46. Default > 2 days is a loss. Cuts to SS is loss. (nt) |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
53. A default. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
57. The last three years, with a few exceptions, have been nonstop losses for Democrats. |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
58. It's like we have a 5th collumn within the Democratic Party |
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