Sick: Pat Buchanan: Norwegian Right-Wing Terrorist ‘Breivik May Be Right’

[kpete]

That threat comes from a burgeoning Muslim presence in a Europe that has never known mass immigration, its failure to assimilate, its growing alienation, and its sometime sympathy for Islamic militants and terrorists.

Europe faces today an authentic and historic crisis.

With her native-born populations aging, shrinking and dying, Europe’s nations have not discovered how to maintain their prosperity without immigrants. Yet the immigrants who have come – from the Caribbean, Africa, the Middle East, South Asia – have been slow to learn the language and have failed to attain the educational and occupational levels of Europeans. And the welfare states of Europe are breaking under the burden.<...>

As for a climactic conflict between a once-Christian West and an Islamic world that is growing in numbers and advancing inexorably into Europe for the third time in 14 centuries, on this one, Breivik may be right.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=326069#ixzz1TDOTaroZ
http://thinkprogress.org/media/2011/07/26/279171/pat-buchanan-breivik-may-be-right/

[Blue_Tires]

1. well, that didn't take long...

right on schedule

[originalpckelly]

2. What an evil fuck he is.

Then again, he worked for Nixon, doesn't that tell you enough?

[renegade2011]

13. Why is this "news"?

1. Everybody already knows Pat Buchanan is a racist, xenophobic sociopath. What *would* be newsworthy is if he said something that *wasn't* racist/xenophobic/sociopathic.

2. He's utterly irrelevant. Racist/Jingoist idiocy serves exactly ONE purpose: to distract us from the ECONOMIC issues we're actually facing. Same with the "Gay Marriage" thing in NY (hint; the legal status of gay marriage isn't going to make ONE BIT OF DIFFERENCE if/when Republican intransigence sends the global economy into a tail-spin).

This is probably going to alienate a lot of folks, but I'll say it anyway: I'm always amazed how people can count something as a "win" that completely and utterly fails to matter:

Take the repeal of DADT. How exactly is it a "win" to:

A. Remove one of the surest methods for getting disqualified from the military-industrial meat-grinder, during a period when war has basically been made perpetual? People are going to really miss the military ban on homosexuals if/when the Powers-that-be finally manage to reinstate the military draft (a not unlikely possibility).

B. Do we *really* want to empower the military-industrial complex? Personally, I think if somebody was "highly qualified" but got thrown out of the military because they were gay, that's a case of the military monkey-wrenching ITSELF (which is a good thing, given the military's purpose post-9/11). The repeal of DADT was a "historic win" -- FOR THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.

But instead of understanding that fact, a good portion of the "Progressive" movement was hell-bent on jumping up and down, cheering the fact that gays *finally* get to participate in the fun and games over in Iraq/Afghanistan.

Are people THAT easily tricked? If so, we *deserve* Michelle Bachmann as president -- at least the stupid is up-front and in your face.

Don't take the above as "homophobic" or anything: I just think it's ironic that so many people think it's some kind of historic "win" that openly gay people *finally* get to participate in the military-industrial war machine. Are folks that easily bought off, or what?

[CreekDog]

3. a normal person would get fired for that

but ol' Pat has the St. Hitler looking out for him.

[Bluenorthwest]

4. Some folks think it is cute to call him Uncle Pat and give him

airtime. I boycott those folks. Some DUers tell me I am an awful person for not understanding why Uncle Pat is acceptable, why those who lend their legitimacy to him are glorious people, not venal promoters of really nasty things.
When I see Pat on a show, I turn it off and never return.

[MineralMan]

5. Buchanan is a racist scumbag. Why they allow him on MSNBC

I will never understand.

[freshwest]

16. I do. He represents their owners, not those short-lived progressives they put to reel people into

watching the rest of their swill and think that stuff is equal opinion.

[Uncle Joe]

20. I believe you nailed it, freshwest. n/t

[malaise]

30. Ding ding we have a winner

It is M$Greedia that has been promoting these intolerant views.

The Muslim population in Norway in 2010 represented 2% of the population - what a threat.

[myrna minx]

33. +1

[Ichingcarpenter]

23. "which I will never understand."

Which is no surprise.

Its been pointed out why.... hell can get a job
on any major network.

and you don't know why...

[ej510]

25. Tea baggers love that freak.

[renegade2011]

27. Don't you watch Jerry Springer?

Scum-baggery sells.
Stupidity sells. Pat is "interesting" for the same reason Michelle Bachmann is interesting: because anything and everything he says is basically guaranteed to piss sane/reasonable people off.
The thing is, whether they're pissed off or not, they're STILL glued to the damn "mainstream media", and still giving the (so-called) "pundits" legitimacy they simply do not deserve.

What's really disgusting is when the idiocy puked up by the MSM gets discussion on blogs and discussion forums. Interesting how the "new media" has basically become one giant echo-chamber for the OLD media, right?

[Cleita]

6. My boss said something similar yesterday while I

was in his office faxing Congress. I was shocked. He's ordinarily quite liberal. However, he has Israeli citizenship, has lived in Israel and has a great distrust of Muslims, yet he has Muslim friends and colleagues. Go figure. I shook my finger at him and told him this is only about race not religion although White Supremacists use christianity as a cover. Many white people are afraid that they will become browner in succeeding generations and it scares them. It's the same Aryan bullshit of the Nazis in redux.

[renegade2011]

28. Contradiction in terms:

"He lives in Israel" vs. "Actually quite liberal".

Umm, you do realize that the only reason Israel even exists is explicitly as a "Jewish Homeland", right? I'm not antisemitic (but some people might take this this that way):

1. When "White nationalists" yammer on about creating a "White Homeland", it -- legitimately -- strikes a lot of folks as cringe-worthy. Likewise when Right-wing religious fundies blather about the U.S. supposedly being a "Christian" nation. Now, it makes no difference whatsoever, whether you look at being "jewish" as a matter of ethnicity/heritage ("The Jewish People") or as a matter of religion: the MERE NOTION of a "Jewish Homeland" (in either sense of the term) should AT LEAST raise serious questions if you're anti-racist/secular/etc.

Sorry: the mere fact that he not merely supports Israel's (purported) "Right" to exist (as an explicitly "Jewish" nation), but ALSO has explicitly claimed Israeli citizenship makes his "liberalism" pretty dubious.
As to whether he has Muslim friends? Haven't you ever heard the expression "Some of my best friends are....<insert name here>"?
That's a REALLY old scam.

[Dawson Leery]

7. These far right extremists and their associates are the greatest terrorist threat to us.

It is fair to consider any "artist" who entertains at Sean Hannity's "Freedom Fest" in the same league as he. If they are willing to promote his hate, then they are in the same league. I give no names as to who these people are. Google will tell.

[Urban Prairie]

8. Breivik "may" be right?

Trust me, Patsy, he is completely to the right, in every way that is very comparable to and compatible with you and those of your whackjob RW supporter ilk.

He just didn't continue to make idle boasts and threats, he very carefully and thoughtfully planned and carried out his carnage, and may have conspired with a few others to lead the way and then acted on them, hoping to make himself into a "heroic" example for budding like-minded RW psychopaths, who previously were too timid to try to do what he did...

[Octafish]

9. Pat Buchanan, NAZI Stooge.

Patrick Buchanan Quacks Like a Nazi Sympathizer

Oh. And Pat Buchanan's also a draft-dodging son of a bitch.

[Ganja Ninja]

10. You know where the real threat is?

It's an American media that continues to give air time to people like Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh and Pat Buchanan no matter how outrageous their rhetoric and no matter how many times they offend.

[Cali_Democrat]

11. This will hopefully be the last straw

I don't know why he's still on TV.

[Arugula Latte]

22. I'll bet it won't be. He could read Mein Kampf on the air & call it the best book ever written

and he would still get to keep his job.

[Yavin4]

12. Pat Buchanan Is Entitled to his Ignorant, Racist Opinion, But

he should not be allowed on MSNBC as a political analyst.

[Taverner]

14. Pat and Anders have A LOT in common

- Irrational fear or Islam? Check!
- Pine for the days when the Catholic Church ruled the world? Check!
- Has no problem with warrior monks for hire (Templars)? Check!
- Force Christianity on the masses? Check!
- White race is supreme? Check!

[ProgressiveEconomist]

15. Remember when Buchanan said Jack Kemp had “gone native” over antipoverty?

From
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/07/us/after-the-riots-as-los-angeles-smoke-lifts-bush-can-see-kemp-clearly.html?pagewanted=2 :

‘…In a letter dated May 1990 to the Domestic Policy Council, which was reviewing options for an anti-poverty effort, Mr. Kemp warned that the problems of urban America had reached "a moment of critical mass." He said it was "past time for the Administration to aggressively highlight a new comprehensive anti-poverty agenda." White House aides then drafted a potential strategy for the President that made Mr. Kemp wince. "That's not a vision," he wrote back in July 1990, accusing them of "bureaucratizing the effort and sending it to oblivion."

… The White House was already criticized for "studying the problem to death and throwing up its hands," Mr. Kemp wrote. "Meanwhile, what's going on in our neighborhoods and on our streets?"

Part of what has set Mr. Kemp off from his Administration rivals is his view that the Republican Party can benefit politically from an anti-poverty effort, especially by attracting more minorities to the party. Few people in the Administration have spoken as crudely as Patrick J. Buchanan, the Republican Presidential challenger, who said Mr. Kemp has "gone native." But many others have doubted in private that there is any political profit in his plans.’

[ej510]

24. Pat Buchanan gets paid to speak his mind. A lot of people agree

with his ass. He is one sick S.O.B., but he believes what he says.

[WinkyDink]

17. Empire will bite you on the butt every time.

[jwirr]

18. He is such an ass. Unchristian also. The Bible is full of quotes about

welcoming the stranger who is not of your religion. I mute the tv every time he comes on. I cannot wait until our MSNBC liberals move to another station such as Current or Link. Comcast is sewing the seeds for departure and they are going to have us all leaving.

[ej510]

19. Why is anyone surprised?

Pat Buchanan in His Own Words

On African-Americans

After Sen. Carol Moseley Braun blocked a federal patent for a Confederate flag insignia, Buchanan wrote that she was "putting on an act" by associating the Confederacy with slavery: "The War Between the States was about independence, about self-determination, about the right of a people to break free of a government to which they could no longer give allegiance," Buchanan asserted. "How long is this endless groveling before every cry of 'racism' going to continue before the whole country collectively throws up?" (syndicated column, 7/28/93)

On race relations in the late 1940s and early 1950s: "There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The 'negroes' of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours." (Right from the Beginning, Buchanan's 1988 autobiography, p. 131)

Buchanan, who opposed virtually every civil rights law and court decision of the last 30 years, published FBI smears of Martin Luther King Jr. as his own editorials in the St. Louis Globe Democrat in the mid-1960s. "We were among Hoover's conduits to the American people," he boasted (Right from the Beginning, p. 283).

White House adviser Buchanan urged President Nixon in an April 1969 memo not to visit "the Widow King" on the first anniversary of Martin Luther King's assassination, warning that a visit would "outrage many, many people who believe Dr. King was a fraud and a demagogue and perhaps worse.... Others consider him the Devil incarnate. Dr. King is one of the most divisive men in contemporary history." (New York Daily News, 10/1/90)

In a memo to President Nixon, Buchanan suggested that "integration of blacks and whites -- but even more so, poor and well-to-do -- is less likely to result in accommodation than it is in perpetual friction, as the incapable are placed consciously by government side by side with the capable." (Washington Post, 1/5/92)

On Gays

In a 1972 memo to Richard Nixon, Buchanan referred to one of George McGovern's leading financial contributors as a "screaming fairy." (Newsday, 2/8/89) Buchanan has repeatedly used the term "sodomites," and has referred to gays as "the pederast proletariat." (Washington Post, 2/9/92)

"Homosexuality involves sexual acts most men consider not only immoral, but filthy. The reason public men rarely say aloud what most say privately is they are fearful of being branded 'bigots' by an intolerant liberal orthodoxy that holds, against all evidence and experience, that homosexuality is a normal, healthy lifestyle." (syndicated column, 9/3/89)

In a 1977 column urging a "thrashing" of gay groups, Buchanan wrote: "Homosexuality is not a civil right. Its rise almost always is accompanied, as in the Weimar Republic, with a decay of society and a collapse of its basic cinder block, the family." (New Republic, 3/30/92)

"Gay rights activists seek to substitute, for laws rooted in Judeo-Christian morality, laws rooted in the secular humanist belief that all consensual sexual acts are morally equal. That belief is anti-biblical and amoral; to codify it into law is to codify a lie." (Buchanan column in Wall Street Journal, 1/21/93)

On AIDS, Buchanan wrote in 1983: "The poor homosexuals -- they have declared war upon nature, and now nature is extracting an awful retribution (AIDS)." (Los Angeles Times, 11/28/86) Later that year, he demanded that New York City Ed Koch and New York Gov. Mario Cuomo cancel the Gay Pride Parade or else "be held personally responsible for the spread of the AIDS plague." "With 80,000 dead of AIDS, our promiscuous homosexuals appear literally hell-bent on Satanism and suicide," Buchanan wrote in 1990 (syndicated column, 10/17/90). In the 1992 campaign, he declared: "AIDS is nature's retribution for violating the laws of nature." (Seattle Times, 7/31/93)

On Women

"Rail as they will about 'discrimination,' women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism." (syndicated column, 11/22/83)

"The real liberators of American women were not the feminist noise-makers, they were the automobile, the supermarket, the shopping center, the dishwasher, the washer-dryer, the freezer." (Right from the Beginning, p. 149)

"If a woman has come to believe that divorce is the answer to every difficult marriage, that career comes before children ... no democratic government can impose another set of values upon her." (Right from the Beginning, p. 341)

These are Pat Buchanan quotes.

[ej510]

21. More Pat Buchanan quotes.

On Jews

Buchanan referred to Capitol Hill as "Israeli-occupied territory." (St. Louis Post Dispatch, 10/20/90)

During the Gulf crisis: "There are only two groups that are beating the drums for war in the Middle East -- the Israeli defense ministry and its 'amen corner' in the United States." (McLaughlin Group, 8/26/90)

In a 1977 column, Buchanan said that despite Hitler's anti-Semitic and genocidal tendencies, he was "an individual of great courage.... Hitler's success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path." (Guardian, 1/14/92)

Writing of "group fantasies of martyrdom," Buchanan challenged the historical record that thousands of Jews were gassed to death by diesel exhaust at Treblinka: "Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody." (New Republic, 10/22/90) Buchanan's columns have run in the Liberty Lobby's Spotlight, the German-American National PAC newsletter and other publications that claim Nazi death camps are a Zionist concoction.

Buchanan called for closing the U.S. Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations, which prosecuted Nazi war criminals, because it was "running down 70-year-old camp guards." (New York Times, 4/21/87)

Buchanan was vehement in pushing President Reagan -- despite protests -- to visit Germany's Bitburg cemetery, where Nazi SS troops were buried. At a White House meeting, Buchanan reportedly reminded Jewish leaders that they were "Americans first" -- and repeatedly scrawled the phrase "Succumbing to the pressure of the Jews" in his notebook. Buchanan was credited with crafting Ronald Reagan's line that the SS troops buried at Bitburg were "victims just as surely as the victims in the concentration camps." (New York Times, 5/16/85; New Republic, 1/22/96)

After Cardinal O'Connor criticized anti-Semitism during the controversy over construction of a convent near Auschwitz, Buchanan wrote: "If U.S. Jewry takes the clucking appeasement of the Catholic cardinalate as indicative of our submission, it is mistaken. When Cardinal O'Connor of New York seeks to soothe the always irate Elie Wiesel by reassuring him 'there are many Catholics who are anti-Semitic'...he speaks for himself. Be not afraid, Your Eminence; just step aside, there are bishops and priests ready to assume the role of defender of the faith." (New Republic, 10/22/90)

The Buchanan '96 campaign's World Wide Web site included an article blaming the death of White House aide Vincent Foster on the Israeli intelligence agency, Mossad -- and alleging that Foster and Hillary Clinton were Mossad spies. (The campaign removed the article after its existence was reported by a Jewish on-line news service; Jewish Telegraphic Agency, 2/21/96.)

In his September 1993 speech to the Christian Coalition, Buchanan declared: "Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free." (ADL Report, 1994)

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

26. Has this asshole ever been to Europe? And I mean contemporary Europe. I'm not counting that time

when he hopped on that time machine back to 1937 Germany. So he could whack off to the Fuhrer's words at the Nuremberg rallies.

[renegade2011]

29. Pat is a total poseur:

The only reason he's got total cream-jeans for the Norway shooter is because Anders actually had the balls to put his ideology into practice. Same with all the Right-wingers who babble about "Second-Amendment remedies" and then desperately try to "wish it away" when some guy tries to blow a Congresswoman's head off.
(Whether he was "Right-wing" or not is irrelevant: Jared Lee Loughner WAS simply "exercising his Second-Amendment remedies" on a Congresswoman he disliked. The only reason people consider him a "lone nut", is because he didn't get a bunch of like-minded psychopaths together, dress up in cammo or white robes, and form a "Citizens militia". I used to listen to *way* too much short-wave broadcasting back during the 1990s, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that EVERY SINGLE Teabagger talking-point (so-called "hard" currency, gun-fetish, blather about "socialism" etc.) existed in the Militia/"Patriot" scene, back then.
What's changed, is that the SAME crazies are twenty years older, and can't manage to get up out of their Hoverround scooters (which were, ironically enough, PROBABLY PAID FOR BY MEDICARE):

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/matt-taibbi-on-the-tea-party-20100928

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/matt-taibbi-on-the-tea-party-20100928http://wonkette.com/414484/teabaggers-all-unemployed-slobs-with-nothing-better-to-do

Part of why these "people" are running around screaming about "socialism" and whatnot, is because they KNOW they're on the losing side of history:

1. Demographic shifts mean that Non-whites (who have *always* had a better understanding of why "socialist" things like basic infrastructure and financial help for the needy are good) are starting to represent a larger percentage of the population.

2. You KNOW Right-wingers are (ultimately) screwed when the "Gay Conservatives" actually matter. (Google "GOProud" and "Cpac" and you'll see what I mean). There's a serious dust-up just waiting to happen within the Right-wing "movement" within the next few years.

3. Pandering to the overt racism of the "anti-immigration" crowd simply doesn't play well with Hispanic voters.

So the Teabaggers understand that they (and anyone who thinks like them) are on the losing side of history. That's why they're being so intransigent about the budget thing: they KNOW it's basically over for them, and a lot of them just want to do as much damage as possible on the way down.

[Warren DeMontague]

31. Warren DeMontague: Pat Buchanan 'may be a fucking Nazi'. nt

[Name removed]

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[musette_sf]

34. Logrolling In Our Time

(SPY Magazine reference)

Lutefisk Nazi Boy is a big fan of Pat B, too.

He specifically name-checked Pat's screed "The Death Of The West" in at least one of his web-published rants.

[malaise]

35. Pat the racist has company in Italy

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/27/ex-berlusconi-minister-defends-breivik