Biggest difference between the speeches? Obama asked voters for help, Boehner

[ProgressiveEconomist]

lied and acted as though he and his Republicans are blameless advocates of metaphysical truth.

IMO, President Obama did a great job of explaining the genesis and gravity of the situation to low-information voters, and of asking them to call their representatives in Congress. I expect Congressional switchboards and email in-boxes to go on overload.

And Boehner invited media fact-checkers to expose his "pants-on-fire" accuracy!

[SoutherDem]

1. President Obama asked for the voters help...

I got an email off to my Representative before the servers crashed, but not my Senators, I will try again tomorrow.

But, if all those emails which have crashed the servers are in support of President Obama and I would guess from the timing they are. HOW is Boehner going to spin it? If he had a brain in his body he would now back down, but we know he doesn't so won't.

And his pants aren't just on fire they spontaneously combusted. :nuke:

[ProgressiveEconomist]

2. house.gov and senate.gov servers crashing--GREAT news!

Boehner shouldn't have "dissed" the President so openly. Not returning the President's phone calls on Friday, lying through his teeth on Monday? Boehner seems on course to self-destruct in just a few days.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

4. On MSNBC, Ed Shultz just reported that Congrssional servers were crashing,

citing thinkprogress.com .

[Volaris]

9. (I think) that that's not all he did...

I think not only does he want to get re-elected AND get something real done on the debt in the environment in which he CURRENTLY finds himself working, I think that he's trying in a most calm and VERY psychologically subtle manner, to get the "middle", maybe-not-otherwise-interested-or-exactly-politically-literate to take the Tea Party out to slaughter next November.

I can't say for sure that I agree with his tactics (Medicare, Medicaid, and Soc. Sec. as "an offer they HAVE to refuse"...because what if they DON'T.....) but if the strategy works, and the subtle sells, it will be a MAGNIFICENT electoral victory for Dem's...

Boehner isn't helping himself out of any boxes, either, it would seem. While the President appeared to be Statesman-like, The Speaker came off as just another partisan Hack. The Speaker is going to lose this one, and I think he's he's going to lose it HUGE, and we might be lucky enough to have him take his Speaker-ship AND his "Idiot Caucus" with him when he goes. If it matters,I ESPECIALLY liked the meme that Boehner was surprised when, arriving in Washington, he came to the shocking (SHOCKING!!) realization that The American Government isn't run like a bar in Ohio...I don't know whether to sign and hang my head, or burst out laughing..

Opinions to the contrary are always welcome

Peace,

[ProgressiveEconomist]

10. "...SS as an offer they HAVE to refuse"--Very perceptive phrase. Many on this

board don's see the subtleties of the President's tactical positions on entitlements.

IMO, there ARE long-term problem with entitlements, but now is exactly the wrong time to address them. For example, I think elimination of the regressive FICA cap is a big part of the best approach to paying back the Trust Fund the $2.8 trillion Reagan and the Bushes squandered (see http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1570607&mesg_id=1572882 ).

Once the debt ceiling has been raised through next November, the President will be better able to focus the media on the problem at hand--slow job growth and the need for an Infrastructure Bank, targeted tax cuts for ACTUAL "job-creators", and other investments to "win the future".

[Volaris]

12. I'm in agreement with you on the cap, and I'm not sure why the other side isn't with us on that...

It would seem to me that, given the constitutional "vision" of the other side, having it in place would be a violation of the concept that all taxes be levied EQUALLY, lest they be considered illegal per the wording of the Constitution...maybe this is just another example of having all things Constitutional work ONLY in their favor......but yeah, we would do well to have that cap removed..

[BR_Parkway]

13. Well, for starters - compare current cap and Congressional salaries

there's no way they'll raise it willingly when it effects them so quickly

[Volaris]

16. lol no kidding....

since things like this seem to be the case more often than not, we should start linking stuff to Congressional wage raise bills...how often do you think Wall Street would let Congress give itself a pay raise if, every time some Congress-critter thought they needed a cost of living increase, the Federal Minimum Wage were legally mandated to go up by the same percentage...I would think in VERY short order the curtain would be pulled back on who EXACTLY The Congress thinks it works for, with no bullshit spin even POSSIBLE...

[ProgressiveEconomist]

11. Kick!

[tblue37]

14. ??? I don't understand this reference.

If it matters,I ESPECIALLY liked the meme that Boehner was surprised when, arriving in Washington, he came to the shocking (SHOCKING!!) realization that The American Government isn't run like a bar in Ohio.

What meme is that? And what is it in reference to?

---Never mind. I just rewatched his speech and I figured out what you were referring to. I was confused because of the reference to a bar in Ohio.

[Volaris]

17. sorry 'bout that, I should have explained, or time-indexed it or something...

[Somawas]

3. Boehner: lying human mofo.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

8. Disingenuous, Lilliputian-minded windbag

[applegrove]

5. Obama asked for help, Boehner asked for their anger.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

7. The President sounded Presidential. Boehner sounded petty and slimy.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

6. MSNBC now is rebroadcasting the two speeches (Midnight--and again at 4am Eastern)

[Rosco T.]

15. Bigger Difference, Obama told the truth, Boner lied his ass off n/m