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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:23 AM
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The BBC interview with the Prime MInister of Norway is offensive
The line he is carrying about right wing extremists worries is never used for the majority of Muslims in their home countries under attack by Western Powers.

What's more his stupid line about Breivik's free speech being violated with a closed hearing ignores every trial on earth for mass murderers.

Fuck you BBC - we know your line - defend the right wing at all costs.

A good interview would actually include all the data re immigrants
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:29 AM
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1. Any link to the interview? /nt
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:34 AM
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3. Should be here
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:31 AM
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2. Wow. The BBC being called out as rw.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 10:25 AM
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4. As far as the closed hearing goes, it seems a reasonable question
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 10:27 AM by muriel_volestrangler
because it's not "ignoring every trial on earth for mass murderers"; what the court said:

After Judge Heger made the decision, the court issued a statement. “Based on information in the case the court finds that today’s detention hearing should be held behind closed doors,” it said. “It is clear that there is concrete information that a public hearing with the suspect present could quickly lead to an extraordinary and very difficult situation in terms of the investigation and security.”
...
The court acknowledged that there was a need for transparency in the case and that it normally would consider arguments from the press when making decisions to close hearings but said that wasn’t possible “for practical reasons.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0725/breaking3.html?via=mr


So it wasn't an automatic decision; it depended on the particular circumstances of this case. So a question about it seems reasonable.

As far as the "right wing extremists worries" line - since we can't find the interview online, it's hard to comment, and you haven't said much about what the BBC guy said. From a BBC report, the interviewer seems to have been Jon Sopel, if that helps anyone find it.

On edit: if you've seen the video he made, you'll know that the BBC was one of his main targets; he regards it as Marxist. It seems strange to say that the BBC is defending the right wing with questions about him.


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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 10:51 AM
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5. Here I think
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:11 AM
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6. Thanks
The questions seem reasonable to me.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 01:09 PM
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8. Do you consider
the BBC to be unduly biased ? I ask only because if so then its going over my head. Instead of answering I could post the plain question on the UK board without cross referencing this post. :shrug: What do you think ?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 01:54 PM
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9. Not really; it can occasionally be too much in favour of the status quo
being an institution itself. But I can't see that its coverage of this has been forgiving of the fat right, or anything like that.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 02:00 PM
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10. Have you ever heard anyone on the BBC ask a question
about the rights of a single Muslim terrorist in his own country (forget international terrorism for a moment)?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 02:38 PM
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11. Terrorist, or terrorist suspect?
If the latter, then yes:

The BBC, a terror suspect and two independent film-makers challenged the control order system last night in a broadcast that broke the suspect's bail conditions.

The programme justified its broadcast concerning Hussain Saleh Hussain Alsamamara, a Jordanian living in London, by saying it offered "a rare glimpse into the life of someone at the centre of controversial legislation which permits the use of secret evidence against terror suspects."
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Newsnight said he denied links with terrorism. He also said he would be tortured if he returned to Jordan. The account said Alsamamara's case illustrated "the conflict between protecting national security and upholding human rights."

The suspect had given on-camera interviews to two independent film-makers, Gemma Atkinson and Fred Grace. By recording the interviews Alsamamara was in breach of his bail conditions.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2010/jun/16/terror-suspect-control-order-appeal


If you mean about the rights of a convicted terrorist, then I can't think of one. But technically Breveik is a 'suspect' at this stage, even though he has admitted doing the shooting, so I think the comparison of the cases is reasonable. They're both before a trial, anyway.
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:32 AM
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7. Better than asking him why Breivik liked Winston Churchill and Jeremy Clarkson
WikiLeaks shows how the Brits really want more control inside Norway.

I even read an article complaining that Breivik isn't on the front pages of Norwegian covers http://www.forsidene.no/



WikiLeaks files show Norway unprepared for terror attack

Norway’s intelligence service had previously been criticised for its failure to keep track of suspected terror cells and the country was felt to be complacent about the prospect of a terror attack, secret cables from the WikiLeaks files reveal.


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Talking about an attempt by the Police Security Service (PST) to track one particular suspected Al Qaeda terror cell, a cable written by the US Ambassador to Norway, Barry White, describes investigators as “committed, competent and co-operative, generally”.

But he goes on to describe how they refused the help of the UK authorities to put surveillance on a potential suspect and adds: “Not only will they not put their own resources on him…but they also just turned down the visiting UK intel service’s offer of two twelve-person surveillance teams.”


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/8655964/WikiLeaks-files-show-Norway-unprepared-for-terror-attack.html
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