What happened in Norway is just what many Republicans want for the usa

[reggie the dog]

How many times have we heard Republicans say they like hunting liberals? seeing as hunting liberals means hunting left wingers in the usa then we can agree that shooting and killing 81 teens at a youth political camp for future members of the labor and socialist parties counts as hunting liberals. this is what the Republicans want here in the usa, they want young members of the democratic party to be gunned down in the same way OTHERWISE THEY WOULD NOT CALL FOR HUNTING US AND OUR KIDS! I will not be surprised when such an attack happens in the usa. hell look at what happened in arizona already.

[jpak]

1. The Second Amendment Solution

The GOP/NRA Final Solution for anyone that opposes them

yup

[HowHasItComeToThis]

30. SACRIFICE AMERICA TO MAKE A BUCK

[HowHasItComeToThis]

33. THEY ARE NOT CONSERVATIVE.... THEY ARE REACTIONARY

AND BIGOTS AND FRIGHTENED

[backscatter712]

47. Progressives may need to implement their own Second Amendment solution soon...

Be prepared in case the extremist right tries theirs...

[Lucinda]

2. No they don't. These acts are committed by mentally unbalanced people.

:hi:

[Demeter]

3. and your point is--you have proven the assumption!

[cleanhippie]

4. How do you define that?

What does it mean to be mentally unbalanced?

[reggie the dog]

9. If they do not want such an act in the usa

why do they
1. call for HUNTING liberals (hunting means killing)(Republicans in office have called for this)?
2. sell 'liberal' hunting permit stickers and t shirts? (republican supporters do this)?
3. call for second amendment solutions (again main stream elected Republicans)?
4. Call for eradicating liberals except for one at each university campus (Republican support Rush limbaugh called for this many times)?

really if Republicans do not want such a massacre why do they call for it time and time again?

[Amonester]

14. Because they are "hoping" someone else ('foolish enough' and 'unstable')

will jump the shark and commit the cRime($) for them wanting to profit from.

[Kievan Rus]

35. Very true

The same thing happened with McVeigh (Oklahoma City bomber), Adkisson (Kentucky church shooter), Roeder (Tiller assassin) and Poplawski (Pittsburgh cop killer); every time the right-wing noise machine, which influenced those people to go off the deep end, always disavowed their at least partial role in causing said extremists to commit violence.

[tnlefty]

60. Adkison killed people in Knxoville, TN

I printed out his manifesto and he stated the need to shoot liberals.

[villager]

13. *Precisely* the point. We look the other way and call them "conservatives" now

But they are deranged, and the end point of their political calculations is the liquidation of those who disagree with them.

[bluestate10]

5. Many on the Right want to start a civil war under the mistaken impression

that their love for guns will provide them with advantage. They have no idea of the fires they are playing with. When they release the dog of war genie out of it's bottle, they just as well immediately blow their brains out.

[fredamae]

6. It has happened-Gabby Giffords-both shooters White radicals n/t

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[scarletwoman]

8. I don't consider it a liberal value to ratchet up hysteria. There is no excuse for

smearing "Republicans" with such an absurdly broad brush, unless the aim is fomenting more fear and hatred.

Is that really what you want to see? More fear and hatred set loose in the world?

sw

[reggie the dog]

11. "We hunt liberal tree hugging Democrats" R Rep Harper MS

an elected Republican saying they hunt democrats like you and me doesn't scare you?

[scarletwoman]

16. No, I don't generally tremble at the words of assholes and buffoons.

I'm a woman, I already know what it's like to be virulently hated on by a human subclass.

Caution and awareness are called for, not fear and hate-mongering.

sw

[reggie the dog]

17. an ELECTED offical calls for hunting a large group of the people

he represents and that doesnt scare you? i would have left the district especially if i were black not wanting to end up a strange fruit.

[scarletwoman]

22. He's just parroting Rush Limbaugh. His consitituents all listen to Rush, too.

This kind of shit has been around a long, long time. We survive it by behaving impeccably, not by freaking out.

sw

[DBoon]

25. in 1927, Hitler was considered and "asshole anfd buffoon"

Six years later he was chancellor

[scarletwoman]

27. I'm calling a godwin on your post. I am no longer under any obligation to attempt

to take your argument seriously.

[kestrel91316]

34. Typical RW tactic for shutting down a legitimate discussion.

No one is allowed to compare anybody (even legitimately) to Hitler, OSTENSIBLY because, what? It's mean to Hitler's victims??

I never did get what the problem was. But it sure works to shut down criticism of whoever you don't want criticized.

[scarletwoman]

38. How did I shut anyone down? The poster is free to keep posting whatever he wants.

I didn't tell him to shutup, I just said I wasn't interested in what he had to say.

Everyone has freedom of speech, we also have freedom of listening.

sw

[kestrel91316]

39. Your RW meme is ALWAYS intended to shut down criticism of

Nazi wannabes and their ilk.

[DBoon]

44. Loose nuts can become dangerous

The difference between Hitler in 1927 and Hitler in 1933 was the breakdown of civil society caused by the great depression and the financial support given the Nazis by German corporations trying to fight the communists and the social democrats

People who appear to be fringe out-of-mainstream crackpots can become very dangerous when supported by the wealthy and powerful

Support for right wing extremists by wealthy interests can bring very dangerous elements into political power.

What part of this argument do you not take seriously?

This isn't a Godwin - there were real Nazis, they were fringe elements, and they came to power and did terrible things because the wealthy and powerful decided to back them.

You can't deny real history by invoking an Internet meme. Godwin is not an excuse for refusing to recognize evil.

We need to take violent right wing extremists at their word, and not deny their potential evil because they seem (for now) to be fringe elements.

[backscatter712]

48. Sorry, but sometimes the comparison fits.

People make Hitler out to be some aberrant demon that no mortal today can match. That assumption is completely false.

Look what happened in Darfur, Rwanda, Yugoslavia. All those places, people had assumed "It can't happen here. We're not that crazy." But it happened.

If we don't stop the extreme right, they'll make it happen here.

[Occulus]

59. That's not AT ALL what 'Godwin's Law' says

Fail.

[DBoon]

23. There have been countries where activists HAVE been hunted down and killed

Most have been strongly supported by right wing US politicians

Jesse Helms just loved Roberto D'Aubuisson, known as "Blowtorch Bob" for his favorite method of torturing left wing organizers

It is not a big stretch to think that this systematic right wing violence could come to the US

[spin]

10. I know a lot of Republican gun owners ...

and I have never heard one seriously suggest that hunting liberals is a good idea.

But I should add that I don't know any Republican gun owners who are devout members of an extreme fundamentalist Christian church.

[reggie the dog]

15. do any of them have the liberal hunting permit stickers or shirts?

people in my own family have those, they want to hunt people like me but i wont kill them or come for them until they come for me first.

[Tallulah]

19. people in your own family ?

You've got some messed up family.

[spin]

24. I've only seen them on the internet. Never noticed anyone wearing one...

or having one on their car.

[MicaelS]

12. They say shit like that just to provoke people..

It gets a reaction out of certain people, like yourself. It's a form of trolling, and you swallowed the hook whole.

[DBoon]

18. I have to listen to that crap constantly

right wingers gleefully fantasizing about shooters opening fire at rallies/demonstrations of the left.

I listen quietly, bite my tongue, and fantasize about a security guard escorting them out of the building for good.

[southernyankeebelle]

20. If that happens I guarantee the republican party will be out of power

for many many years. People will not tolerate this kind of behavior.

[onehandle]

21. The next McVeigh(s) are at a gun show this weekend. nt

[CaptRandom]

26. kind of sick given all the lives lost and broken yesterday...

can ya at least let them bury the bodies first?

[freshwest]

28. Their pundits have called for hunting liberals, they have bumper stickers for opne season, they kill

Our leaders for generations. If anyone thinks they're kidding, they don't know the history of these groups. Some of their kids on Facebook even applauded the death of the little girl gunned down with Giffords as good because 'she would have grown up to be a bleeding heart liberal' and their GOP representatives have called for shooting illegals like animals from helicopters.

All of this has made the news just in this year alone. The John Birch Society was rallying their troops in the days in Dallas when JFK was killed; they've now been shown to be funded by the Koch brothers; they've been on 'patriot' internet radio as valid voices. We ignore the fact that if they look and act and talk like domestic terrorists, that it's different because of 'freedom of speech' here.

Now they'll say it's the liberal policies of Norway that have worked so well that is the reason for violence, just like it's a woman or child's fault that they beaten and raped. Just great.

[kestrel91316]

29. I've said for years that they want us all DEAD. That's not hyperbole.

I am not joking.

They. Want. Us. All. Dead.

[lonestarnot]

31. Exactly what they want. Exactly.

[Kievan Rus]

32. Timothy McVeigh and Richard Poplawski (Pittsburgh cop killer) thought that way too

Personally, I think extremist right-wingers are much more dangerous than al-Qaeda, Hamas, or the Islamic Jihad.

[The Big Vetolski]

36. That's OK. We've got guns, too. nt

[chrisa]

37. I'm UnRecing this.

Republicans (minus the 1% wackjobs) do not want to hunt down and murder women and children. This is an absolute hyperbole and strawman argument.

[spin]

42. Republicans disagree with us on the issues but very few want to kill us...

The few that do have serious mental issues.

[LongTomH]

40. This is where Hate Speech leads!

Over a year ago, I posted this to General Discussion: Where is all this Hate Speech Leading?

How many right-wing attacks have we seen in this country since then?

Edited to add: Check out this thread on RW attacks in the US: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1557835

[uppityperson]

41. Fundamentalist extremists, not "republicans" though to be fair you said "many republicans"

[Youth Uprising]

43. I would say right-wingers in general rather than just Republicans.

The 'Libertarian' Right has especially gone off the deep end these past few years.

[Initech]

45. Limbaugh: "I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave two of them on every campus."

:scared:

[slackmaster]

49. That quote would be a lot more effective if someone could prove that Limbaugh actually said it

I haven't seen an original source, just circular references on blogs.

Kind of like how right-wing falsehoods about liberals and progressives get propagated.

[JAnthony]

51. Googled several citations

"I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus - living fossils - so we will never forget what these people stood for." - Rush Limbaugh, Denver Post, 12-29-95

Tell me Rush, could someone mentally unstable take what you said literally and act accordingl­y?”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/PWM/rush-limbaugh-jared-loughner-full-support-democrat_n_807543_73854009.html



Also repeated here at DU numerous times with links.

[slackmaster]

52. Just as I said - Blogs linking to other blogs, never a link to the ORIGINAL source

You won't be able to find it on the Denver Post's site. If you search for the string "I tell people don't kill all the liberals" you get this response:

"We didn't find any Web pages containing "I tell people don't kill all the liberals".
Please refine your query and try again.

http://www.denverpost.com/

http://www.newspaperarchive.com comes up with zero results as well.

Maybe it's too old to be in the DP's searchable archives and nobody else has indexed it yet, but I strongly suspect that the quote is fake, which is unfortunate because it gets cited so often here.

[JAnthony]

50. self delete..misplaced reply

[eilen]

46. The incident reminds me of the novel

The Handmaid's Tale. There is more than one gunman who assassinates the government leadership and some nuclear bombs are detonated though. It is a junta--they infiltrated the military first and then took over the government.

[reggie the dog]

53. the junta? you mean Joel's army?

[eilen]

54. In the book they were called "Sons of Jacob"

"The Handmaid's Tale is set in the near future in the Republic of Gilead, a country formed within the borders of what was formerly the United States of America. It was founded by a racist, male chauvinist, nativist, theocratic-organized military coup as an ideologically driven response to the pervasive ecological, physical and social degradation of the country.
Beginning with a staged terrorist attack (blamed on Islamic extremist terrorists) that kills the President, a movement calling itself the "Sons of Jacob" launched a revolution, ousted Congress, and suspended the United States Constitution under the pretext of restoring order.
Taking advantage of electronic banking, they were quickly able to freeze the assets of all women and other "undesirables" in the country, stripping them of their rights. The new theocratic military dictatorship, styled "The Republic of Gilead", moved quickly to consolidate its power and reorganize society along a new militarized, hierarchical, compulsorily Christian regime of Old Testament-inspired social and religious orthodoxy among its newly created social classes."
From Wiki


I don't know who Joel's Army is-- is that from another book?

[reggie the dog]

55. they are real and take their calling from here

link describing them http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/joels-army-and-call

the 'scripture' they get their inspiration from

An Army of Locusts (taken From Joel Chapter 2)
1 Blow the trumpet in Zion;
sound the alarm on my holy hill.
Let all who live in the land tremble,
for the day of the LORD is coming.
It is close at hand-
2 a day of darkness and gloom,
a day of clouds and blackness.
Like dawn spreading across the mountains
a large and mighty army comes,
such as never was of old
nor ever will be in ages to come.
3 Before them fire devours,
behind them a flame blazes.
Before them the land is like the Garden of Eden,
behind them, a desert waste—
nothing escapes them.
4 They have the appearance of horses;
they gallop along like cavalry.
5 With a noise like that of chariots
they leap over the mountaintops,
like a crackling fire consuming stubble,
like a mighty army drawn up for battle.
6 At the sight of them, nations are in anguish;
every face turns pale.
7 They charge like warriors;
they scale walls like soldiers.
They all march in line,
not swerving from their course.
8 They do not jostle each other;
each marches straight ahead.
They plunge through defenses
without breaking ranks.
9 They rush upon the city;
they run along the wall.
They climb into the houses;
like thieves they enter through the windows.
10 Before them the earth shakes,
the sky trembles,
the sun and moon are darkened,
and the stars no longer shine.
11 The LORD thunders
at the head of his army;
his forces are beyond number,
and mighty are those who obey his command.
The day of the LORD is great;
it is dreadful.
Who can endure it?
When you read the biblical passage above it is clear that army is NOT bringing anything positive to the land!
· Inhabitants of earth tremble before them
· It is a day of thick darkness and gloominess
· A fire goes before them
· The land in front of them is like the Garden of Eden but after they pass by it is desolate.
· They leap like flames and DEVOURETH
· They run like Mighty men and climb walls like men of war
· When they fall upon their swords and they are not wounded!
· They enter in the windows like thieves
· The earth will quake before them
· The sun and moon shall be dark

[vandgrad00]

56. Norway's Tragedy Twisted

When I was researching Norway's awful tragedy I came across this discussion. Seeing as silly as this discussion is, it was very easy for me to make an account being a Republican. I am not writing to bash Democratic's (even though this is completely bashing Republic's). I, for one do not wish harm on anyone, especially fellow Americans. This post is grossly ignorant and taking away from the hardships on Norway. I have many friends and family who have different political view as myself and we do not wish death or insult each other. You should try that. This is America where I am free to believe what I believe as you can hold separate beliefs. This post is disrespectful to not only Republican's but also Democrat's who actually think before they post thoughtless and stupid ideas on the internet. Good luck. -Sammie

[reggie the dog]

58. my post comes after hearing ELECTED REPUBLICANS

and popular republicans like limbaugh, calling for killing or hunting of liberals and 2nd amendment solutions. i said many, not most, not all, just many republicans. you are part of what i think and hope would be the MAJORITY of republicans who do not want this but when you hear people in your party call for 2nd amendment solutions and hunting liberals (and you should admit that many people like hearing this) you notice that your disgust is not shared by all the people in your party. it is this group of people, the Republicans who often times support the tea party movement, the group who cheer when they hear about 'hunting liberals', that makes up the many republicans who want to see people like me hunted (dead).

[malaise]

62. It's a very thoughtful post

Kick

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[Bluenorthwest]

61. Gee, McClurkin, surrogate to Obama is famous for calling for

war on gay people, he says we try to kill children, so you straight folks have to take off the gloves and go to war on us. When we were calling that out, it was called 'poutrage' and we were told to shut up and wait for our ponies. So forgive me if I do not see this as an area where the DNC is clean.