"I've been left at the altar a few times now. Can they say yes to anything?" Obama is pissed.

[Parker CA]

Taking questions now.

[gratuitous]

1. Offer some more concessions

See if that doesn't revive the "negotiations."

[Parker CA]

2. Don't know if you're watching or not, but he's definitely not in concession mode. He's pissed.

[gratuitous]

12. I'm not watching

But I've seen this play a number of times before. It has all the white-knuckled suspense of a Popeye cartoon. Will Popeye get to his spinach in time? Will Bluto get his come-uppance? It's too much! I can't watch!

Da-daddle-da-da-da-daaaa
Da-daddle-da-dat-da-daaaa
Da-daddle-da-daddle-da-daddle-da-daddle
Da-daddl-da-da-da-daaaa

Can it be???

[neverforget]

3. I think there is only one concession that Repubs would accept

Obama's resignation

[TheWraith]

5. Part of his point is that he has.

He's offered to help the Republicans preserve their "no tax" pledge by closing tax loopholes to raise revenue, instead of raising taxes. They refused.

[kestrel91316]

15. To Repigs, closing tax loopholes to raise revenue is just as evil as

raising taxes. They consider them the same thing.

[TheWraith]

23. To them, it's worse.

Closing tax loopholes disproportionately hit rich people and big business.

[kestrel91316]

26. so true, good point.

[Chimichurri]

4. It's nonsense. He will eventually give away the farm as he always does.

[TheWraith]

7. Keep imagining and spinning.

Meanwhile, he's out kicking some Republican ass.

[dionysus]

10. i swear some people are actually dissappointed about this.

[Ikonoklast]

28. The Emos are tearing up a bit.

Obama called them on their shit, too.

[oldtime dfl_er]

6. Why is Boehner pulling this stunt on a Friday night?

Does he think no one is paying attention?

My blood is BOILING.

[Parker CA]

8. Probably had one too many at happy hour and lost a bet at the table. nt

[oldtime dfl_er]

9. must be crying in his champagne cocktail now

eom

[Broderick]

11. What exactly is Obama's plan?

I don't quite know. Is it negotiating with the Republican's plan? Why not have his own plan????

[Lorien]

13. It's super secret

not even Pelosi and Reid are allowed to know it.

[Broderick]

14. That is my point!

Why does negotiations start from a Republican plan and perspective?? IT should come from the Democrats. I have yet to see nothing but disagreement to the negotiations on a Republican demand. That is the battle ground starting from defensiveness.... ugh to me.

[Dragonfli]

16. Listening to him talk, his plan appears to be scew everyone that is not a CURRENT

recipient of what they have payed into.

It appears that those that are now in their forties or fifties will not need nearly as much to live on than those retired now.
I suppose we will do well on less than what is at the moment subsistence level funding, perhaps food and rent wil be free in a few years.

He also thinks lowering tax rates can raise more revenue, I guess it could if they eliminate the housing deductions from the working class.

I am so glad he is fighting so hard to screw me out of my safety net because I am only forty eight and therefore do not count.

[Broderick]

20. Thank you

you listened.

Where is the defense budget coming down
Where is the corporate tax loopholes like GE used to pay ZERO taxes on 5.1 billion in profit suggested
Where is getting rid of the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy on the table.


NO, once again we negotiate from a Republican perspective.

The only plan was a Republican plan and that is the starting point they are negotiating off of. WHERE is the Democratic plan.

Furious.

Sorry.

[localroger]

19. I think his plan was exactly this

Obama has been "giving" the Republicans things he knew they would not accept and that he could honestly fail to deliver due to Democratic opposition if they did. It is now abundantly clear that no deal with Boehner is possible. I think this is what he intended all along -- and I've said so a few times here and at dKos. I don't think he ever really wanted the grand deal; he just wanted certain people to think he did to draw out their hand. He has now exposed all of his opponents as being petulant children best ignored, and if I'm right his next move will now to gather the remaining grownups of both parties together and get what he has wanted all along, a clean debt ceiling increase with no conditions at all.

[Broderick]

22. All I see is that starting point is Republican

And the Catfood commission ideals. He said he would agree to blah blah blah, which is merely more pain on the backs of the poor.

Where is the Bush tax cuts being removed
Where are corporate loopholes being taken away for corporations like GE that paid ZERO TAXES
Where is the defense budget and wars being scaled back

[localroger]

29. You were used

Your outrage was part of his negotiating position. Mostly the fallback plan, in the unlikely case the Republicans did the unexpected and accepted one of his offers. But he was never really offering what he "offered." The man plays poker, a game similar to politics in many ways, and it appears that he plays it quite well.

[TheWraith]

25. Right now, looks like he's getting ready to sweat the Republicans.

During his speech, he practically threw raw meat at them for seniors and Wall Street.

[Leontius]

27. Bullshit is all he served. Oh for want of one just one journalist

at that speech to ask one simple question, Why will you use funds from Social Security, a fully financed program that is not part of the general fund of the US to service debt payments?

[Sky Masterson]

17. That was awesome!!

:applause:

[AsahinaKimi]

18. As he should be..

Republicans suck.

[LWolf]

21. altar. nt

[Parker CA]

24. Thanks! ;-)