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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:09 AM Original message |
Perhaps there IS a problem with using the 14th Amendment. |
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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
1. Well, I guess when the repubs sue BO they'll have to make that argument. :-) |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Shouldn't be a problem. They're becoming less and less shy about showing their racism and contempt |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
2. To quote Rudy, "9-11." |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
4. Interesting collection of opinions at Jack Balkin's site |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
5. Either the 14th Amendment applies or it does not. That's it. |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Well the second sentence of Section 4 DOES list exclusions and GOP debt seems to fit. |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. How did the "GOP Debt" help insurrections "against" the USA? |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:08 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Has anything the GOP done been other than detrimental to the USA? |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. And you believe the GOP will use that "exclusion" to prevent Obama |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. No, I'm more thinking that he doesn't want to invoke it because he feels the same way about the GOP. |
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ashling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
7. Read it again |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Um, no. It includes "services in suppressing", but NOT "incurred in aid of" |
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ashling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. Sorry. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
11. Bottom line is this: the 14th Amendment does not, and was not intended to, transfer the |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. The power lies with the Constitution - not the Congress OR the president. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. The "debt ceiling" is about NEW BORROWING, not existing debt. |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. What has more Power, Congress, the President, or the Constitution? |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. The Constitution is above all. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. As I mention above, failure to raise the debt ceiling will not, in and of itself, cause a default |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. The damage we face is more symbolic than real. Our reputation as a joke is growing - GOP the fuel. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
20. Bill Clinton mentioned it would be challenged in court |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Given the current composition of the USSC, he may be wise in avoiding the challenge. |
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