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Dawson Leery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:17 PM Original message |
Poll question: Do you support "means testing" for recipients of Social Security and Medicare? |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. No. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. No. Never. |
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Ragnarok (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
3. Nope. |
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wtbymark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
4. Only if there's means testing to stay in congress! |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
5. It would be the death knell to the programs. |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
6. For those that voted 'Yes', why are you for it? |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
7. no, it's insurance, not welfare. Raise the cap! |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
8. HELL NO! |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
9. Yes. I certainly do. My take on the system is that if I can afford to |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. That's why it doesn't work. People won't pay into the |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. I don't agree. I plan to make a choice to fore-go payments if my |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. If you don't want to pay into a social program that |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Read my post again. I said nothing about paying into the program. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
51. You have to apply for benefits, so if you don't |
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Philippine expat (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #24 |
41. You have that right |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
10. Never, never, ever....even after Hell freezes over! |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
11. Both programs are already means-tested (though not in the way you think). |
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LuvNewcastle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. That's the kind of means testing |
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IphengeniaBlumgarten (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
13. Don't we already do this in Medicare? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Exactly. n/t |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
14. No. I know several elderly people who would have been |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
16. NO. It's OUR money. Why don't people understand that?? |
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FreeJoe (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
17. Yes |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Flat rate with higher benefits for people that were less wealthy during |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
19. Here's my take on it |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Would you be for people opting out of the benefits if they so chose? |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. You can opt out by not using the benefits, your idea seems like a first step that transforms |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 08:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
47. I wouldn't leave even someone who was so stupid as to opt out to die on the street |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
20. The followup question: Do you know that Medicare is CURRENTLY means tested? |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Don't drag facts into this.... |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. my bad |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
21. Yes. Done properly, that is just another way to raise taxes on |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Exactly. Surprisingly, those that scream red-faced about taxing the top 1% |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
49. Curiously, it applies similarly to the other side. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
23. If we have to have means testing can it be limited to only those making more than $250,000 a year? |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. The concept of means testing MEANS wealthier seniors will get less benefits. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Just that if we HAVE to have it that it be for the very rich only. Actually |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
27. doesn't means testing make SS into a form of Welfare??? |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Isn't highway, bridge construction a form of welfare for those that drive? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Have you considered the IMPLICATION of it being a form of welfare? |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. All I wrote is that people that don't want SS and Medicare should not |
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Philippine expat (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. Yes it does |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Another reason for me to distrust those dismissing our concerns |
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Lil Missy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
28. Yes. And Social Security, Medicare Parts B and D ARE ALREADY MEANS TESTED! |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Do you disagree or agree with this cause and effect... |
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Lil Missy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 08:06 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. I don't agree with the premise that means testing results in eventual elimination. HOWEVER, |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
33. Up until now means testing was a way for the more affluent |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
34. Hell no. |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
40. NO absolutely NOT nt |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
43. The obvious thing is that those with millions are already socially secure and... |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
50. no, it be the first wedge designed to shrink the programs....n/t |
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