How Obama is Screwing Himself

[DemocracyInaction]

First - the "young" people will NOT be there to vote for him this time. Why?..because last time was one of those "in things", "must do", "cool to say you were there, dude" moments. Kinda of like the nearest beer party. This time they will not show up. They will roll over in bed and return to their usual apathy.

Second - he could have replaced every one of them with a stampede of senior citizen voters....remember NY 26! SS and Medicare is not just some idiot church issue. It's their means to exist. He would have gotten the whole shittin' bunch of us! He's about to blow that to hell because his little friends in the GOP want cover for the Ryan budget.

Third - don't count on your base being suckered into the "but look at the alternative" ruse. When you lost everything, you really don't care if Bachmann/Palin are in the big white house. (It's sort of a "let the whole goddamn thing go to hell" attitude).

Fourth - he is looking for "independents". Point blank: most of them are just another word for "ignorant" assholes who go to the polls and vote for whomever throws the best, dirty, fear mongering tv ads---hence the need to raise lots of loot. Unfortunately, Obama the repukes will easily sell them on the lousy economy.

Bottom line: your toast....and you could have saved yourself and a big chunk of this nation would have helped you save yourself.

[vi5]

1. He's not screwing himself....

He's screwing the poor, the middle class, and the elderly. Even if he loses in 2012 he's not screwed. He will be very well taken care of.

[donheld]

27. The other guy is correct Obama will be just fine. We the

poor, the middle class, and the elderly will be screwed.

[Autumn]

2. Nonsense. he will be just fine

We are the ones he is screwing. If enough Democrats get pissed and stay home, it's hello pukes. IMO he is being very irresponsible.

[canoeist52]

3. The young people

will not come out to vote for him because they fee like they've been had. And they'd be right. It'll be decades before the young people trust another politician.
I live with a bunch of 'em so I'm privy to their thoughts. They say "It's pointless".

[MADem]

4. Well....

If the young people stay home, they'll get the government they deserve.

Seniors vote. They don't take their ball and go home. They understand that perfection is sometimes unattainable; and you pick the best one you can.

If people "don't care" then they get the government they deserve, as well.

As for independents, they, and the people who belong to a party but don't really give a shit, are the ones who decide elections. The ten to twenty percent of "ardent" voters on each side don't make the decision. They just make all the noise.

Obama's not toast. But hey, bookmark your commentary and review it after the election.

[Dept of Beer]

12. Well...

The young people didn't stay home in '08. They voted. Now they're asking "Is this the government they deserve?"

Seniors vote. They pay attention more than young people, and they will crucify anybody that touches the third rail.

If government shams the people then they might not care, but chances are the will not be lazy but hopping mad at any elected government.

As for independents...well, okay.

Obama's not toast yet. I don't want him to be toast, but if he flinches on any deal then a comical bookmark will be the least of all of our troubles.

[MADem]

19. A lot of those 08 young people heard what they wanted to hear, not what Obama said.

As a single example, the whole gay marriage issue--people are suddenly surprised that Obama isn't a fan of the marriage stuff, even while he favors "equality." He made these views clear YEARS ago...so why are people surprised?

I saw more "He doesn't mean it," and "Oh, he's just saying that to get elected, he will change once he's in" justifying during the last election from people who were projecting THEIR OWN "HOPE" on Obama. Now they're pissed because the guy is what he is. More people need to both listen and comprehend during election cycles.

I doubt seniors will vote against a guy who may (or may not) shave benefits for the generations that follow THEM (they won't be touched, that goes without saying) in favor of some asshole who WILL cut their benefits and the benefits of future generations to the bone. Seniors will show up and vote for Obama.

Not enough people here "get" that Obama does NOT MAKE LAW. CONGRESS does. People whining at Obama need to recalibrate and start whining at the people who craft the legislation.

[Dept of Beer]

20. Those are wonderful anecdotes.

BTW: The legislative branch writes laws, but the executive can veto them or sign them into law.

I'm really tired of the excuse machine on this. Obama is made to appear as if he is a Superman with great abs yet wrapped in congressional Kryptonite.

He's not. He's a man elected to office to fulfill the works he promised he would do.

So it should come as no surprise when people get irked when he makes deals with Lex Luthor.

[MADem]

22. Who said he was Superman? I'm tired of people making shit up about the guy.

He is what he is--he has not changed. People who projected their crap ON him didn't get what THEY wanted, so now they're griping? They need to get real and listen with their ears and their brains.

FWIW, the legislative can override a veto. Congress drives the train, not the President. Obama can only get a dig in with a veto when Congress fails to act in a sufficiently unified fashion.

The game is with Congress, yet people continue to harp about Obama....which makes me wonder what the agenda is, there. I can't believe so many people here flunked junior high civics.

[Badsam]

36. are you talking about legislation he can veto?

[Mimosa]

30. Seniors hate being used as pawns in this game of chicken.

They are holding this against Obama. I've asked several.

[Scurrilous]

5. One termer!!1!

:P

[DonP]

6. He has advisors telling him not to worry about it

There are people in the WH telling him what they think he wants to hear. Like Plouffe last week telling everyone that the unemployment rate won't be serious factor in 2012, even if it stays close to 10%..

All the young people will magically come back, and everybody that believed he'd pull out of Iraq, close GITMO etc. All the Indies will change their mind etc when they see who the GOP candidate is and come running back. I'd feel a lot more hopeful if he'd pull some of those guys out at the next presser and point to them and say, "these guys are nuts and totally out of touch with the majority of people outside the beltway - you're all fired"

[Shagbark Hickory]

7. Very well said. +! to yas.

[Dappleganger]

8. .

[damntexdem]

9. and the rest of us.

And if he keeps it up, he will screw himself out of my vote.

[Randypiper]

10. It is simpler than that.

He ran on hope and change and I have no hope and there is little change.

[Raine]

11. Obama is screwing everyone but he'll be just fine. Corporate America

will give him a nice fat paycheck after he's out of office. Former presidents always make out like bandits. x(

[elocs]

13. If the economy is still in the crapper a year from now, with unemployment high,

and Republicans can find a dark horse candidate who is sane and electable, then Obama will be in big, big trouble.

If Republicans control the House, the Senate, the White House, and the Supreme Court then from somebody in Wisconsin--welcome to national Hell.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

16. I think if Romney is the candidate -

he stands a very good chance of winning if the corcumstances are as you say. Folks will be looking for any kind of change and Romeny appears sane and "presidential" to many.

[Dept of Beer]

21. A sane, smarmy shit of a used car salesman.

[MADem]

23. I think the Dog Loving Voters will have something to say about that.

I think people will dress up in dog suits with signs that say "Remember Seamus!" and bark through his speeches, if he gets any traction:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1638065,00.html

[Warren DeMontague]

14. You think young people voted for him to "be cool"?

Um, no.

[dana_b]

15. oh, he'll be re-elected

even if none of us vote for him. I do believe this because he is still popular with many folks and some of them do not pay attention to what is going on. Also he is doing a fine job for those he REALLY cares about. At this point, I think it is all smoke and mirrors.

[Cali_Democrat]

17. The first election I was eligible to vote in was 2000

The first time I ever voted in a presidential election.

My guy lost because the election was stolen from him. What a first time experience that was :eyes:

Now when my guy finally wins, he starts pissing it all away. :banghead:

[Hydra]

28. Oh, isn't that the truth

Same story for me, btw...it seems Stalin's comment about how voting means nothing, it's the ones who count the votes that count is the truth.

[swilton]

18. At this point

I feel there are some Republicans to the left of Obama - and with them in the WH at least some of the DP would act like the opposition instead of meekly protesting and then having their arm twisted.

I believe the fear mongering about Palin and Bachman is an envelope pushed by Obama and his administration - the worse they look the better he looks.

[dameocrat67]

24. Independents want ss, medicaid, and medicare

protected too. They also want to raise taxes on the rich. Obama and his followers are dumber than doorknockers and deserve to lose.

[sub.theory]

25. Derp!

Yeah, it's all my generation's fault that everything's fucked up. We're the one's that voted for Reagan, the Bush tax cuts, two endless wars, consumed all the world's resources and left the next generation all the pollution (and debt), outsourced everything, indulged in the greatest orgy of consumerism the world has ever know, etc. Yeah, that's all us...

[Mimosa]

32. It's certainly SOME of us, sad to say. n/t

[blkmusclmachine]

26. I think Obama only wanted (or needed) 1 term

[Hydra]

29. He did an excellent job of reviving the Republican Party

It was DOA in 2007...now it's alive and kicking again.

So many missed opportunities...what would the world look like right now with a destroyed Republican party and a strong Democratic one?

[spin]

31. Exactly. I suspect the same thing.

You have to be suffering for some form of insanity to run for two terms.

Just look at how the presidency ages people in four years.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

33. You lost me at the first paragraph.

Analysis that faulty and shallow in the first paragraph leads me to believe there's little hope of anything else in the rest.

Some links to educate you regarding the youth vote.

2004: http://www.rockthevote.org/assets/publications/research/2004-young-voter-turnout.pdf

2006: http://www.civicyouth.org/PopUps/FactSheets/FS07_2006MidtermCPS.pdf

2008: http://www.civicyouth.org/quick-facts/youth-voting/#15

2010: http://ndn.org/blog/2010/11/youth-vote-2010-midterm-millennials-continue-vote-break-democrats

[Marr]

34. I agree with you. I think Obama and the DLC-sorts he's with are running an old play that

never worked to begin with, i.e., Clinton's triangulation politics. Clinton was a product of Ross Perot's splitting the Republican vote, and a booming job market that he (Clinton) had little to do with.

Obama may very well win reelection, but if he does, it's going to be solely because the Republican is even worse. If the GOP finds the sense to run someone who actually sell himself as a moderate, Obama could easily lose.

[MissDeeds]

35. K&R

:-(

[Tatiana]

37. This administration has screwed over many different types of voters:

Young voters - They are graduating college with tons of debt and no job prospects. This is not the change they believed in.

Older voters - Screwing with Medicare and Social Security? Even hinting at changes in these vital programs will turn off many senior voters (though a good majority of them already vote against their best interests anyway).

(Formerly) middle class voters - Especially those formerly middle class families that had to file for bankruptcy, foreclose on a home, stop supporting children in college financially... these people are going to be (selfishly) looking back upon the Dubya years thinking "it really wasn't so bad back then."

Public employees - Teachers especially are looking upon this administration with particular disdain, in part due to Obama's clueless, charter-loving education secretary Arne Duncan.

Minority voters - Not that they have anywhere else to go, deportations of illegal immigants have actually increased under this administration. While arguably justified, this cannot be pleasing news for the legal immigrant family members.

The only people I think are happy with the job this President is doing are the wealthy, the near-wealthy, and the uber-wealthy classes.

Just about everyone else has been screwn.