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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:09 PM
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"...the capitalists have callously forced the toiling masses into starvation conditions..."
From William Z. Foster, "The Mass Impoverishment of the Toilers" http://www.marxists.org/archive/foster/1932/toward/02.htm#pec

Read some of his analysis from the 1930s and tell me if this is starting to sound familiar:


THROUGHOUT capitalism the policy of the ruling class is to try to find a way out of the crisis by throwing its burden upon the shoulders of the working class, the poor farmers and the lower sections of the city petty bourgeoisie. This is being done by a vast system of starving the unemployed, wage-cuts, speed-up, inflation schemes, taxes directed against the masses, etc. In consequence, with the development of the crisis, there has been an enormous increase in the impoverishment of the toiling masses.

Wholesale starvation, spreading like a plague, is the order of the day in all capitalist countries. The bourgeoisie, intent only upon its own pleasures, cynically shrugs its shoulders at the whole terrible misery, when it does not hypocritically direct the masses towards religion for consolation. Nor are there “scientists” lacking to justify this mass starvation. Thus Prof. E. G. Conklin of Princeton University says: “Some of the weaker, according to the law of nature, will naturally die under the stress of the times. Others will not propagate their kind. The strong and hardy will survive and reproduce, and thus the human race will be strengthened.”4

Since the onset of the present economic crisis American workers and poor farmers, through unemployment, part-time work, wage-cuts, reduced prices for agricultural products, tax increases, etc., have suffered a general decline in their living standards of at least 50%. Prof. Leiserson estimates that the total income of industrial and office workers was about 22 billion dollars less in 1931 than in 1929, and this is supported by the figures of Business Week (Feb. 10). This is by no means offset by the decline in living costs which, according to the U.S. Dept. of Labor, amounted to 11.7% from June, 1929, until June, 1931. On the farms, the Alexander Hamilton Institute says, the average income per household has dropped from $887 in 1929 (already a crisis year in agriculture) to but $367 in 1931.

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The workers are losing wholesale the houses, radios, furniture, etc., that they so laboriously got together during the upward swing of American capitalism; thousands of farmers are losing their farms to the usurers. The Nation, (Mar. 23, 1932), says that in Detroit alone 50,000 workers lost their life savings in the collapsed banks, and similar huge losses have been suffered all over the country. In 1931, according to the New York Journal, (Jan. 28), 198,738 workers’ families were evicted from their homes in New York City for non-payment of rent. The worker’s life has become an endless round of worry and misery. The jails are filled to overflowing, thousands preferring prison rigors to life under the Hoover regime of “rugged individualism.” Prostitution spreads like a poison weed in every American city. Tuberculosis runs riot among the half-starved masses, and the hospitals are packed with sufferers of diseases bred of under-nourishment, etc., etc. To such a debacle has come the Hooverian pre-election promises of the “abolition of poverty,” “a chicken in every pot” and “an automobile in every garage” for the workers. And daily the whole maze of poverty, starvation, misery and death gets worse.

Manifestly, a fundamentally necessary measure against actual starvation among the workers is the establishment of a system of federal unemployment insurance, financed by the government and the employers. This must be of a permanent character, because what we have to deal with is not a temporary condition of unemployment, but a huge mass unemployment on a permanent basis. This, however, has not been done. The capitalists and their government have forced the workers into wholesale starvation which is now infesting the country like a plague.

The entire question of unemployment relief has been reduced to a charity basis. Although the worker has spent his life producing the wealth of the country, now when the capitalist system has broken down he is treated as a mendicant and a criminal. He is thrown a beggarly handout like a starving dog. Mr. Gifford, head of Hoover’s Emergency Employment Committee, boasted that in the 1931 Fall relief drive about $150,000,000 had been raised in the various localities. So far as the Federal government is concerned, this money (what the workers get of it after the grafters are through) has to last the unemployed for the whole year. Thus it figures out at about $1.00 per month for each of the 12,000,000 unemployed. In New York, richest city in the world, after a disgusting campaign of begging, $18,000,000 of Gifford’s fund was raised. This would give about $1.50 per month to each of New York’s 1,000,000 unemployed.

The unemployed relief program of the Hoover Government is a real hunger plan. It is the policy of the capitalist class and it has the support of both big parties and the A. F. of L. That the Progressives also agree fundamentally with it is shown by the new unemployment insurance law in Wisconsin. This law adds insult to injury. According to its beggarly provisions unemployed workers can receive only a maximum of $100 yearly. And this applies only to those now employed, for whom insurance funds will be gradually built up. As for the masses of those totally unemployed now and part-time workers, they are left out of consideration altogether.

If the capitalists have callously forced the toiling masses into starvation conditions they have, however, very carefully looked after their own interests. “During the first nine months of 1930, our national industrial and business system was able to and did pay $432,000,000 more in dividends and $191,000,000 more in interest than it did in 1929; in the first nine months of 1931, the second year of the depression, it paid $347,000,000 more in dividends and $338,000,000 more in interest than it did in the first nine months of 1929.”6 The Publishers Financial Bureau, (New York American, Mar. 19, 1932), states that the industrial dividends paid in 1931 are “the largest for any year previous to 1929.” Anna Rochester says: “In September, 1931, the New York Times reported that of 5,000 companies, 50% had continued dividend payments without reduction; 20% were paying smaller dividends; and only 30% had omitted payments entirely. . . . For October, 1931, the total dividends plus bond interest by a large group of corporations were only 4% below the high record of October, 1930.”7 Besides, every appeal of the bankers and other capitalists to the government for assistance has met with immediate response. The two billion dollar Reconstruction Finance Corporation has been organized and the Glass-Steagall inflation bill is being prepared to absorb the worthless paper of the banks and to underwrite the dividends of industrial corporations. And in the new Federal taxes the capitalists are further shielded from the economic effects of their own bankruptcy.



No, we are not quite at the stage the country was in the Great Depression, but do you see some parallels? Someone told me recently that commies had no relevance to today, in the US. I'd say they are more relevant than ever...what is going to happen when/if things *do* get as bad as the 1930s?
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:13 PM
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1. K&R'd!
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:16 PM
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2. Kicked
We are headed in exactly that direction at an ever increasing speed.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:16 PM
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3. Maybe it's time for the Masses to Smash the Elite into the Ground
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Necromancer Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:16 PM
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4. Capitalist pigs
Capitalism sucks the life out of everything, including itself, eventually. No environment, no money, no life. Capitalists can't see that because they are too blinded by the shiny bling.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:18 PM
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5. Doesn't sound familiar - we've purged all the Leftists, and no one writes clearly like this anymore.
Economists today are trained to write in quant (econospeak), and the journalists are trained to carefully avoid writing about the human effects of capitalism. Everybody gets to keep their own little jobs that way. We're all happy in the 21st Century - no problems.

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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:24 PM
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8. "no one writes clearly like this anymore"
That is true. I can't think of a better time to learn how though.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:34 PM
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11. Jargon, if it still rings true after falling out of sight, carries extra meaning.
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 04:35 PM by leveymg
There was a time when the terms "Toiling masses" and "increasing immiseration of the working classes" seemed quaint. But, like men's hats and overcoats, they've come back, along with the need for them.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:52 PM
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20. +1
I used to think the language was archaic too. Nowadays it seems directly on point.
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drpepper67 Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:20 PM
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6. But the 1930's were before the age of entitlements.
The masses aren't going hungry. Go to any Wal-Mart on the first of the month. They've been subdued into quite desperation.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:29 PM
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9. Well, looks like Social Security is on the table to be cut.
There's been a few threads here about that today. I think standards are going to drop abruptly and quite soon.
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drpepper67 Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:38 PM
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14. I agree but
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 04:39 PM by drpepper67
As long as the poor people in America accept whatever the government deems them worthy of, they'll take it and be happy to get it.

You won't see people biting the hand that is literally feeding them anytime soon.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:45 PM
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18. Call me an optimist.
;) I think that people with something to lose will eventually fight for it. The New Deal came into existence because of the fear of popular unrest.
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drpepper67 Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:57 PM
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22. Do you think the Unions of today are able to do what the Unions
of the 1940s and 1950 did?

Why not?

It was a different time with much different people.

If American Idol is on TV, you're not getting anyone to march for anything and Washington knows it.

If entitlements take a hit, a big hit, then I'd agree. But they're not. This is going to be death by a thousand paper cuts.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 05:04 PM
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25. I'm not sure people are actually that different.
Once your basic needs start to get threatened, it makes more sense to band together and fight back. I hear ya on the unions though. Participation is very depressed there. I'm in one, and I know from experience. I'd rather look forward to possibility than throw up my hands and prepare for some dystopia though. Isn't it worth at least talking about? :)
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 05:15 PM
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30. I think rebellion will come when . . .
There is a critical mass of poor, desperate people with nothing to lose. When will we reach that tipping point? I, of course, do not know. But I do believe I will live to see it, even if I am already 53.

The parallels between now and the 1930s are truly terrifying. Hell, a week or so ago we were even treated to photos out of Phoenix that looked like they came from a documentary about the Dust Bowl. A repeat of a more distant historical era, the Dark Ages, is on the way.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 05:23 PM
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32. "we were even treated to photos out of Phoenix that looked like they came from a documentary about
the Dust Bowl"--agreed Brigid, and I've seen similar photos from other places too. There are some people who accuse us of exaggeration when we point that out, or tell us we should be happy this isn't India or something. But people are suffering now, and it is getting more and more acute. When is the tipping point? I think when more of the middle class start feeling the privations more too. This is what is happening in other countries right now, and these things tend to follow similar patterns.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:41 AM
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49. lol - you may be able to push the religion for awhile,
but this is coming home to roost soon. The more Obama cuts, the quicker it comes. Hope you're ready.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:24 PM
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7. K&R!
Foster rocks. This isn't out dated, it is dead on...
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:31 PM
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10. We need control of the political system so we could tell these capitalists.
They can either pay higher wages to their workers or we will raise their taxes? They can choose which they would like?
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:37 PM
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12. I have a sneaky feeling they won't like either of those options.
Both cut into profits. When we try to wrest political control to put some restraint on their excesses, they get laws passed to subvert our aims. Capitalism must profit to exist. Do we need to keep it? All of the wealth is being redirected upward to 1% as a result of this system.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:37 PM
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13. But, we have a Democratic President and both houses of Congress . . . wait, oh . . .
Hope and Change!
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banned from Kos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:39 PM
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15. Bill Clinton - "I raised taxes too much"
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1995-10-19/news/1995292099_1_newt-gingrich-clinton-raising-taxes

"Probably there are people in this room still mad at me at that budget because you think I raised your taxes too much. It might surprise you to know that I think I raised them too much, too."

(shaking my head in disbelief)
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:40 PM
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16. The existence, for the moment, of Soc. Security, Medicare and unemployment seems only difference
between now and then.

Ironically, in exchange for temporary extension of Unemployment, Obama seems to have set himself up to cut the rest to some degree or other... while shielding the rich from cuts to their tax breaks. (Pushing the costs of the mess onto the shoulders of the poor, as always.)

—Two of the most interesting sentences I saw were these: " Prof. Leiserson estimates that the total income of industrial and office workers was about 22 billion dollars less in 1931 than in 1929, and this is supported by the figures of Business Week (Feb. 10). This is by no means offset by the decline in living costs which, according to the U.S. Dept. of Labor, amounted to 11.7% from June, 1929, until June, 1931." (Bold and italics added).

It is interesting that Foster described the deflation during the depression as an "offset" against loss of wages... but this time around the Fed and the Treasury were expressly "printing more money" (quantitative easing) in order to fight deflationary pressures...

I guess the prices the owners could sell stuff for needed maintaining, theories of supply and demand be damned, this time around. Priorities.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 07:36 PM
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42. Good post.
:thumbsup:
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:45 PM
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17. K&R
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:46 PM
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19. Dejavu all over again.....
K&R

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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:55 PM
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21. Kick. The truth never goes out of style
I imagine there was a socialist writer somewhere writing about this in the depths of the Gilded Age in this country too.

That's why it's the system and not the people IN the system. This type of thing is a historical cycle that manifests every "X" number of years, but it ALWAYS will manifest again. It's unavoidable with capitalism.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 05:00 PM
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23. Exactly.
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 05:06 PM by Starry Messenger
Trying to get rid of the bums is like beheading the hydra...it just spawns two more bastards in their place. The system creates the conditions, and the people who benefit from the system. It would save ever so much time to get rid of capitalism instead. :)
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 05:04 PM
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26. Not only time, but the EFFORT it would save
:) Maybe this time we'll learn starry. We'll see.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 05:40 PM
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34. Hope springs eternal!
I think it's a good plan at any rate. ;)
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 05:03 PM
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24. K&R n/t
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 05:07 PM
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27. Hey, good to see you!
Thank you! :hi:
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 06:08 PM
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37. Great post!!
Good to see you, too! I just came back here a few days ago...not sure how long it'll last!

:hi:
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 06:20 PM
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38. I survive with chocolate and a lengthy ignore list.
:D You're an asset to the board and I'm always thrilled to see your screen name pop up.
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:22 AM
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48. Awww, shucks...
:blush:

:pals:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 05:07 PM
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28. Well, the people who tried to overthrow FDR had kids.
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 05:09 PM by Octafish
And that's who screws us now, except there's no inheritance tax.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 05:14 PM
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29. Hey Octafish!
But there's still more of us than there are of them, right? Did you catch blindpig's thread today? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1442514 Sounds like a few of those kids might be shaking in their Gucci loafers!

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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 05:20 PM
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31. One of the biggest reasons we are not at that stage today is because
of the social safety net programs the rw are so determined to get rid of. Can you imagine this country without social security, medicare, medicaid, unemployment,food stamps, WIC, and a whole raft of other programs. Over 92% of us now live in cities and without this safety net we would be literally starving to death. All hell will break loose if they ever manage to do what they want to do to our nation.

And yes there is a lot of similarity.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 05:32 PM
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33. I can imagine it.
And it seems like we are even closer to finding out every day. You can't just abandon people who have worked hard all of their lives to create the wealth of this country, though.
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Harry Callahan Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 05:51 PM
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35. It makes you wonder why those damn capitalists keep feeding the people
living in socialist paradises like N. Korea.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 06:00 PM
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36. Probably so it doesn't destablize the sweet system they have going in S. Korea.
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 06:01 PM by Starry Messenger
I doubt it's out of lack of self-interest.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 06:21 PM
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39. LOL! Now starry you know that capitalism is altruistic
They don't have any sort of a plan to make money off of it. (In case it's needed :sarcasm:) And as to the very THOUGHT of an altruistic version of capitalism, I give you: :rofl:
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 06:36 PM
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40. It's ironic since we've been cutting their aid down for about 5 years now.
:crazy: What givers! We only started because of the collapse of the Soviet bloc in 1993 and that aid ceased to N. Korea. I guess the Big Plan to bring down the Iron Curtain had a few details that weren't thought through very well. lol. I'm not a fan of the N. Korean system, it has problems to be sure. But having them all die wouldn't really be a plus in the column for S. Korea or the West. Not to mention the flood of refugees that would result. China and S. Korea would both suffer economically if that happened.



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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 07:00 PM
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41. Yep the destablization of N. Korea would have
been pretty nasty for the region. Oh AND the capitalists too.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:41 AM
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51. Looks like someone made your day, punk.
Say hi to Winston Churchill for us.
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 07:39 PM
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43. gosh, you know what cured that, and spurred on the rise of the middle class?
by golly, it was progressive taxation and socialistic economic policies. Go figure.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 07:42 PM
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44. And alas, we're almost back to where we started from
It's a shame, ain't it.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 07:52 PM
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45. Without the threat of the USSR and the whole enchilada of communism
these programs have been drastically cut. Keynsianism was our answer to the Red Menace. I don't know what it will take to "cure" us this time.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 01:33 AM
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46. k
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 06:44 AM
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47. k&r
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:53 AM
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50. Denial is powerful.
Many of those who are dependent upon entitlements are clinging to their belief that they are "middle class". When I was in the rural midwest last week all the TVs were tuned to the Casey Anthony trial. And that is how the media does it - distraction.

When you remove the entitlements however, and the cable is gone, folks may finally realize they have lost everything.

I didn't think it would happen in my lifetime, but Europe is already awake. Mr. Obama may in fact incite change we can believe in if he keeps up with the give-aways to rich folks and cuts to the poor. In the end people will be in the streets because they will have nowhere else to go. It's not a pretty topic of discussion, but that's where I see it going. Worse before it gets better ...

Mr. Foster is always a treat to read - he gets it and explains so well.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 11:50 AM
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52. +1
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