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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:01 PM Original message |
Democrats Groovy New Plan to Cut Social Security: Don’t Call It “Cuts” |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. Fuckem, can we default on all three branches of govt and start over? |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
2. I have already unequivocally warned all my elected officials that any |
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ProfessionalLeftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. It is also mine. It's where I draw MY damn line. n/t |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. +1 |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
86. Many kudos |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
3. Fuck Jane Hamsher...nt |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:07 PM Original message |
+1 |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
46. -1000 |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. +1001 |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Simple. |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. The use of profanity underlines the lack of any better response to the topic. nt |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Wahhhh, the bad man swore!...nt |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Are you *really* a bad man? nt |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. "You want the truth!? You can't handle the truth!" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. What? No personal opinions on chained COLA? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
38. The personal attacks on Jane only enamour you with like minded |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
58. Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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theFrankFactor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #3 |
81. Fuck right wing "Democrats". (this is, those that cut and destroy liberal & progressive policy) |
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d_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
82. no u |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
87. that's not much of a response |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
4. Far out man!!1! |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
5. The Consumer Price Indices currently used for indexation ..." |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. Which is a clear indication that the proposed "new" CPI will be even worse than the current one! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #5 |
67. Especially when any $1 anyone had pre-W is now worth 50 cents -- !!! |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
7. As long as it's not slashing! |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
8. Seems we retirees have a promised baseline monthly income that won't change. It'll remain the base. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Future cost of living increases will be reduced using a new formula. |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
37. I think the idea is to go after CPI / COLA changes. That's the crux, no? |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. There are at least three other measures to cut Social Security benefits that are "on the table". |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. Kind of reminds me of a really bad old joke from the 80's. |
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RebelOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
29. I am not concerned so much about the COLA. |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. I'm in a similar boat. Don't think we'll lose any of that. Medicaid may depend on your State though |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
12. This has already been debunked |
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Dept of Beer (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. It's not debunked until the ink is dried on the bill. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 02:03 AM Response to Reply #12 |
72. NO, it absolutely has NOT been debunked. In fact, just the opposite. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
14. "We are circumcising social security." |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Oh That'll Get This Thread Goin... |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
24. No, Obama isn't Bush |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
25. Because anonymous sources should be trusted over top Democrats like Pelosi and Frank who deny this. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #25 |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
27. Nancy Pelosi doesn't rule out changing the way the CPI is measured. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #27 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Good catch. I missed that altogether. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #32 |
60. You missed clicking on the link altogether too. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
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Faryn Balyncd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
35. Why "cut" anything? It's (sl)easier to just cook the books by (once again) rigging CPI/COLA.... |
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peace4ever (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
36. FIX or SHORE UP or PROTECT or STRENGHTEN are the preferred terms |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
39. Why not? Works for ''War.'' |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 05:24 AM Response to Reply #39 |
75. It's all of that and none of that. It's a Kinetic Military Action! n/t |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
41. K & R |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
48. How is an increase a "cut"? |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 01:44 AM Response to Reply #48 |
69. The current method shows NO inflation for the past two years, so no |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 02:54 AM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Actually, that's not exactly the way it currently works. |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 08:23 AM Response to Reply #73 |
78. The real problem with the CPI is that it does not include food nor energy |
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21st Century FDR (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
50. Well, what did you expect? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #50 |
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21st Century FDR (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I'm not really FDR, you know |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. . |
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theFrankFactor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #50 |
85. You're not alone 21stFDR, I know it might seem like it here, but you're not. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
55. keep that anti-dem campaign going by pushing hamshers lies, BBI |
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theFrankFactor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #55 |
84. Hamsher, anti-dem? LOL! Yeah, attacking your base and going after social programs-THAT'S PRO DEM! |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
57. This in incessant framing campaign is tedious. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. that's a rhetorical question, right? |
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blue neen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 07:49 AM Response to Reply #57 |
76. How true. |
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Dept of Beer (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
61. Getting back to the OP at hand... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #61 |
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Harry Callahan (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
63. It's a bit like Obama's "not war" in Libya. |
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blkmusclmachine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
65. It's change-licious. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 01:57 AM Response to Original message |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 02:59 AM Response to Original message |
74. Unrec'd due to having to see the name Jane Hamsher on my screen n/t |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
77. k&r |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
79. 'D' is for dissemble. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
80. A Big Kick &Rec! |
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divvy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
83. Oh, now you've done it .... the TWEED HAT'S will say we're whining. |
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