All of the troops lost in Iraq and Afghanistan were wasted lives.

[panader0]

As were all of the innocent civilians and the enormous cost of the wars. As the US public looks to "draw down" forces overseas, I can only come to the conclusion that nothing good was done, only bad. Yeah, we killed OBL, but the wars have only increased the recruiting for the Taliban, Al Queda, and more. There are many ready to take OBL's place. Who were these wars good for? The already filthy rich defense contractors and big oil. The whole thing is sickening, and I remember thinking this would happen when I saw the Trade Towers go down. All of our troops who die or are wounded before we get out and change policies are wasted lives.

[cali]

1. I'm not going to make that judgment- much as I'm opposed to both wars

Only one person really can make that judgment.

[panader0]

2. Who would that be?

[cali]

14. the person who died.

I thought that was pretty obvious.

[panader0]

20. Touche

[StarsInHerHair]

26. no they gave their lives IN SERVICE to their nation-by your reasoning cops who

die in a shootout where the shooter gets away die in vain too; the firefighters who die putting out fires also died in vain.........you're wrong, they died doing their DUTY! Never let RW bullshit twist your mind.

[Angry Dragon]

3. Follow the money and you will find the truth

It seems that the CIA and the military work hand in hand now
So if the US was only going after people and not countries
why did they not just send in the CIA to root out the ones they wanted to kill??

bush and cheney have blood on their hands and walk around telling everyone
how they saved the world from evil.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

7. I liked the part about burning people with white phosphorous in Fallujah. That was a

great scene. It makes me want to vomit when I think about it.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4440664.stm
"It was used as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants," spokesman Lt Col Barry Venable told the BBC - though not against civilians, he said.

The US had earlier said the substance - which can cause burning of the flesh - had been used only for illumination.

BBC defence correspondent Paul Wood says having to retract its denial is a public relations disaster for the US.

Col Venable denied that white phosphorous constituted a banned chemical weapon.

[Angry Dragon]

13. Don't forget all the depleted uranium that we are leaving

all over the place.
I read where they are already seeing an increase in birth defects

[HysteryDiagnosis]

16. Very much so, our white hat is so very very black... thank you military industrial complex

for your continued assistance in taking this country to the mat.

[libodem]

4. And all the people

In the twin towers.

[FiveGoodMen]

5. Which means...?

[ZombieHorde]

10. I believe libodem is saying the victims of 9/11 had their lives wasted too. nt

[FiveGoodMen]

11. And that makes our reaction a good one?

[ZombieHorde]

17. I don't think that makes our reaction a good one, but I can't speak for libodem.

I am very much against the wars. If I were President, all of our combat troops would become pack up and come home troops. I would then swap our defense budget with our education budget.

[FiveGoodMen]

21. I like your plan

What I was trying to winnow out was whether the victims in the towers were somehow supposed to justify the victims of America's knee-jerk reaction.

I see from a post below that that was not libodem's point.

[libodem]

19. yes

Avenging those lost lives with Shock and Awe helped how?

[panader0]

9. I believe the attack on the Towers was because of the continued US

presence and bullying in the Middle East over oil. I won't get into anything more about the Towers.

[ZombieHorde]

6. The wars are absurd. nt

[arikara]

8. Well over a million civilians killed and maimed

along with all the torture and brutality hurting everyone's collective soul... was it worth it? I think not.

[panader0]

18. As much as these wars have hurt the US

economically, spiritually, world respectfully, they have hurt Iraq and Afghanistan far more. "Shock and Awe". Remember that BS?
It's a disaster that is bringing our nation to ruin.
Of all of the great pressing issues that face our nation, the wars remain foremost to me. It's hard to imagine what great things could have been accomplished if the MidEast policies were reversed. Right now, oil is an important source of energy. I hope that changes soon, but the entire oil industry is a funnel of money to the rich, not a source of energy to the people of our country or any other country. We just need to get the fuck out.

[hifiguy]

12. Yep.

Just like Vietnam. Who will be the last GI to die for these lies?

[provis99]

15. pointless, meaningless deaths.

Thanks to the political class of this country.

[ImNotTed]

22. Wasted lives? No.

But their deaths were for nothing. Recced.

[sabrina 1]

23. Yes, more lives wasted so the rich could get richer.

But we knew that ten years ago when we opposed them. I always remember that scumbag, Dick Morris being asked before the war, 'how many deaths do you think the American people will tolerate before they start withdrawing their support'. He replied, that he wasn't worried about until at least 5,000 troops were dead, as if they were just commodities, not real lives. Calculating odds, not lives. Of course no one ever asked how many lost Iraqi or Afghan lives the American people would tolerate. They don't even count.

[classysassy]

24. Evil deeds begets the same deeds

Our leaders and former leaders will pay for their blood letting.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. Cannon fodder in an unnecessary, lost, dumb, war. But, maybe, they'll get a pretty monument.

One that the politicians and generals can weep crocodile tears over while seeking support for the next unnecessary, lost, dumb, war.

[Solly Mack]

27. ...

[marions ghost]

28. Cannon fodder

many of the soldiers who come back say they don't even know why they were there.

They were participating in a huge test of American military might and weaponry.

It needs to be over yesterday. Unjustifiable, shameful, tragic loss of life, tragic injury to the civilians of Iraq and Afghanistan, and finally, grievous injury to the people of the US who want to STOP paying for this post-Vietnam slaughterhouse.

[blindpig]

29. k&r

[unhappycamper]

30. IIRC, there are 58,264 names on The Wall in DC.

Same shit, different day.

[WinkyDink]

31. War materiel industry = What We Have Left. AKA: The M-I C rules. THEY think it's all worth it.

[roody]

32. Thanks for saying such a difficult truth.

[krabigirl]

33. :(