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Duct Tape Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:40 PM
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Bachmann: Canada Did ‘No Stimulus’ (Oh Really?)
Edited on Mon Jun-20-11 11:42 PM by Duct Tape
GOP presidential candidate Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) is now boasting the value of conservative economics, with a tweet noting that Canada's economy has performed much better than the United States in the global recession, and that it had no stimulus spending.

Just think -- a Republican who wants the U.S. to be more like Canada!

One problem: Canada did undertake a major stimulus program.

Bachmann's campaign tweeted earlier on Monday:

Lesson in economic recovery: Consider Canada. No stimulus & unemployment is 20% lower than US.

It is true that Canada's unemployment in May 2011, the most recent month for which data is available, stood at 7.6%, compared to 9.1% in the United States. But the absolute fact of the matter is that Canada undertook a thorough stimulus program under Prime Minister Stephen Harper and his Conservative Party -- one that was relatively smaller than the one here, but given the apples and oranges situation of having different economic needs, it was still a very considerable one. In addition, it should be explained that even this stimulus was undertaken under some very high-profile political circumstances.

Indeed, this issue was a major cause of a political crisis in late 2008 and early 2009, when the incumbent Conservatives, shortly after an election in which they had only won a plurality of seats in Parliament, put forward a budget that the opposition parties collectively attacked as too stingy. The three opposition parties then threatened to put their differences aside, vote no-confidence in the government, and form their own coalition to replace the Conservatives. Harper survived by successfully dividing the opposition again, chiefly by waging a strong public campaign against the involvement of the left-wing secessionist Bloc Quebecois -- and by working out a stimulus package with the leaders of the moderate-progressive Liberal Party.

As Bloomberg reported in January 2009, this stimulus was CAN$40 billion, equal in then-current exchange rates to US$32.6 billion, over two years (a similar period as Obama's US$787 billion stimulus). If we make further adjustments, using IMF data for each country from the year 2008 for purchasing-power parity, per-capita GDP, and the much larger population of the United States, this would work out as very roughly equal to a stimulus of over US$360 billion if it were done here.

That stimulus is still less than half of the $787 billion stimulus under Obama -- but it's a whole lot more than no stimulus at all. And it should be noted, Canada did not have a need for as extensive a package of stimulus spending.

In fact, the recession did not hit Canada anywhere near as severely as the U.S. -- after all, the economic collapse in many ways started here, and other countries were caught up in the financial hangover. In light of that, it must also be noted that one reason for Canada's resilience was having years of strict banking regulations, which fostered a more stable financial system. As the Economist reported in 2010:

Jim Flaherty, the finance minister, attributes Canada's strong performance to its "boring" financial system. Prodded by tight regulation, the banks were much more conservative in their lending than their American counterparts. Those that did dabble in subprime loans were able to withdraw quickly. This prudence kept a lid on house prices while those in America were soaring, but it paid off when the bust hit.


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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:43 PM
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1. Oooh, I hope she continues to talk about emulating Canada.
But it would be nice if she would stick to the truth.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:49 PM
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3. she doesn't KNOW the truth
she sticks to what her teabagger masters and Fox News tells her
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:49 PM
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2. Of course we did have a stimulus plan.
It sort-of worked, although Harper is playing the US card.

He wanted to change the banking system too, to an American style system; he didn't have the votes.
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Welibs Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-11 12:09 AM
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4. I think Canadians are the opitome of Real Conservatism. They preserve a culture of acceptance and
tolerance, live and let live if you will, and they are very conservative in their regulations, laws etc. When someone talks education or health care cuts they make a lot of noise. Social stability is important and a moral obligation, as it is in almost every other country in the world. Yet the wealthiest country on the planet can't even look after it own people because the Koch's need that money and Republicans think they are 'entitled' to give it away like it's theirs!
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-11 12:16 AM
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5. What a fucking clown.
Hey, I bet Canada didn't increase COBRA funding either so all those unemployed people wouldn't get socialized medicine while sitting on their asses!

:sarcasm:
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-11 11:32 PM
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6. Canada had much tighter banking regulations so we didn't get into subprime mortgages and a housing
bubble. We are much better off because Paul Martin, the Liberal finance minister under Jean Chretien, refused to open up banking regulation. It wasn't Harper at all that mitigated the recession.

And we had a huge spending program.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 01:27 AM
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7. Apart from the banking regulations that we have, we have to be
grateful that PM Chretien refused to join Bush in the invasion of Iraq. If PM Chretien had agreed to rendezvous in Iraq, our soldiers would have been there and our economy would have been in the shitters as well in order to support our troops in Iraq.

Thank goodness PM Chretien was wise!
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 01:43 AM
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8. Yes. very wise.
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 06:07 PM
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9. She's challenging Louis Gohmert for best made-up shit about Canada.
He's the one who said "20% of Canadians die because of socialized medicine". Whatever the fuck that even means.

Gohmert's a bigger asshole, so he can pull bigger lies out of it. Bachmann is just plain nuts.
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