I'm an INTP

[MrScorpio]

Basically, it's a particular Myers-Briggs personality personality type. I must warn you, what I'm about to say to everyone here will be said in a very typical INTP fashion. Please bear with me, if you will.

http://www.personalitypage.com/INTP.html

INTPs only make up 2% to 3% of the general population. Given that we make up such a limited percentage, it should stand to reason that most people aren't going to come across us that often and when they do, we may confuse them because they don't understand us.

Actually, that's OK, because most of us have anticipated that reaction.

However, we strive to understand ourselves above all. It's in our nature.

But not only do we strive to understand ourselves, we strive to understand THINGS and other people, of course. We are driven by the belief that we do not have all the answers and are always on the look out for new facts, new perspectives and even new opinions. We feel that the truth can be as amorphous as it can be concrete. But we feel that actual facts and logic are the keys to finding whatever truths are there.

We ask questions. Maybe some people don't like to answer those questions. To us, such a reaction is an answer in itself.

Most of the time, we prefer to go with the flow. But only if we believe that flow is worth going with, then if we won't… And let me quote from the linked article to elaborate:

INTPs do not like to lead or control people. They're very tolerant and flexible in most situations, unless one of their firmly held beliefs has been violated or challenged, in which case they may take a very rigid stance.

We tend to point out things that we don't think are correct or even fully thought through, even if those things are sacred cows. Something like that doesn't aways encourage everyone to be happy campers. But we is who we is...

In other words and from my perspective, that's where some of the conflict that I find myself getting into about certain issues on DU stems from. What I really want to do is have a deep discussion, and at times I may challenge widely held assertions, especially if all the facts as I see them don't coincide. If these assertions stand up to challenges, I like most other INTPs, will concede. You see, if we believe that they do coincide, then we're all hunky dory with that.

Also from this, which admittedly is a prevalent shortcoming for INTPs:

The INTP has no understanding or value for decisions made on the basis of personal subjectivity or feelings. They strive constantly to achieve logical conclusions to problems, and don't understand the importance or relevance of applying subjective emotional considerations to decisions. For this reason, INTPs are usually not in-tune with how people are feeling, and are not naturally well-equiped to meet the emotional needs of others.

Understanding this reaction, I usually suggest to folks that I've pissed off for one reason or another to tell me that they're pissed off and, if they're wont, why. AS a matter of fact, I'm quite sure that I've been told to my face that I'm an idiot for this very reason. Of course, anyone otherwise attuned, coming across any INTP who does not consider their subjective emotional considerations won't be happy about that situation. And recriminations will ensue.

I'm quite sure that this OP will piss some of you off, for whatever reason. And that's fine, I accept that.

There is one thing that I should point out to everyone here… If I don't like a person, I have no qualms telling them that I don't like them and if they'd like to hear it, I'd even tell them why. Except for trolls and Republicans, most of them do not post here, I don't dislike anyone else on this board.

But I should point out, that I never want to sow discord, merely for the sake of sowing discord. I don't like discord, and frankly that is the last thing that I want to do here. I wouldn't even be here if that is what I'm up to. I'd be pissing off wingers and trolling their boards someplace else.

I'm just trying to get to the heart of any particular matter, even the sensitive ones. I should point out that telling any INTP that he or she shouldn't consider any subject that comes to their attention is going to fall on deaf ears. The key to getting an INTP to stop paying attention to something to help him or her fully understand it. Once something is fully understood by an INTP, they will rarely revisit it… Unless conditions change.

I know that I'm not always elegant in the way that I approach those answers, and I really do appreciate it with others point out my apparent lack of skills. I'm only human.

Lastly, I want to tell you all that this post is a hard thing for me to write. I really hate making MrScorpio the center of attention… I love it when my ideas and observations are appreciated or even challenged… But I really hate making things about me. I know some people, and they have pointed this out before, don't want to hear me making things about me, whether or not it's my intention. Knowing how other people are, I really don't blame them.

So, to those of your who are inclined to either rec or unrec this OP, I would prefer it if you don't.

If you don't don't understand anything that I've written or even don't give a fuck… I understand and it's fine by me.

INTPs are a rare minority and things happen the way that they do.

To anyone who I have pissed off, I'm sorry.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. I'm one, too.

We are sort of Vulcans, and sometimes we piss people off. Oh, well.

[peace4ever]

86. me, three

=)

[MrScorpio]

111. Huggage!

:hug:

[LiberalLoner]

2. Thank you for posting this (I did rec anyway) as I think it's very useful

information for people and helpful. I'm an INFP, like the author of this system, Isabella Myers.

Here's my personality type:

INFP: The Idealist

The INFP is a dreamy, imaginitive, idealist, capable of finding the good in anything or anyone, even something as foul as Newark, New Jersey. INFPs are sometimes dangerous to the well-being of society as a whole, as they are prone to adopting subversive and destructive ideologies like "The world should be fair," "People should treat one another well," and "You know, 'Friends' is a really, really stupid television show."

These irrational thought patterns may sometimes cause INFPs to run off and join the circus, the Resistance, or the Rebellion, where they tend to do well in any position requiring excellent hand-eye coordination or mastery of the Force.

COMPATIBILITY: INFPs and ISTJs generally exhibit a natural predator/prey relationship, which, though it might appear harsh and cruel from the outside, is all part of the natural cycle of life. In fact, were it not for the predation of the ISTJ, the population of INFPs would soon grow to unsustainable levels, overwhelming the ability of their ecological niche to support them.

Famous idealists include that girl in your sixth-grade homeroom who got the teacher fired for saying that girls aren't good at math; that guy in the cubicle next to yours who got the manager fired for saying that women don't make good employees; and Anais Nin.

(P.S. - INFP is even more rare than your personality type. I've given up completely on trying to explain myself to others. It's just an impossible task.)

[catabryna]

8. An impossible task, indeed!

INFP here. One of the most fun people I've ever spent time with was an ENTJ, but we were like oil and water. Still makes me smile, though. :D

[Bonhomme Richard]

9. INFP seems right n/t

[MrScorpio]

11. We introverts are all birds of a feather

Vary rare birds

[Zorra]

95. I'm an INFP also.

Let's start a movement!
;-)

[kick-ass-bob]

104. Great. I am either INTP or INFP

I basically score even on T/F every time I take one of these tests. Strong I&N, 50/50 T and slightly P.

I'm hopeless, ;) and I understand everything Scorpio states above.

[EstimatedProphet]

3. So am I

[MrScorpio]

10. I knew that there was something that I liked about you, Dude

Now I know why

[EstimatedProphet]

19. And The Prophetess is an ESFJ

We are literal polar opposites. Go figure.

[stevedeshazer]

4. I'm one, too.

What you say is true.

By the way, ever met a conservative INTP? I haven't.

[MrScorpio]

6. Neither have I...

But of course, conservatives are the most truth and fact deficient motherfuckers on the planet.

[Fumesucker]

5. INTPs seem to be heavily overrepresented online..

There seem to be far more INTPs online than IRL..

Oh, and have you ever noticed that being an INTP resembles ADD?

http://www.intp.org/intprofile.html

[MrScorpio]

7. Oh yeah

We have a tendency to question ourselves with that comparison.

I've decided that we're two different types with some similarities

[Liquorice]

12. I'm an INFJ, which is the rarest personality type, so I know what you mean

about being misunderstood. An INFJ takes it to heart when people misjudge or misinterpret though, unlike an INTP. I am married to an INTJ (the second rarest personality type), and he doesn't care at all that he is frequently misunderstood by people he doesn't know. I would rather be that way too, but I must endure being an INFJ. You're more fortunate if you don't care, IMO.

[MrScorpio]

13. It not that I don't care.

It does bother me… But I feel that I can compensate for those misunderstandings by understanding them through careful analysis and clarifying what I see as salient and unimpeachable truths.

It's a typical INTP coping mechanism.

I mean, what the hell else am I supposed to do?

[Liquorice]

16. Well it would be easier to just not care. :-) But I understand what you mean. nt

[MrScorpio]

17. Then that's where your partner should come in

We INTROs have to help each other.

[marions ghost]

45. I'm an INFJ

married to an INTJ also. :fistbump: We seem to get along pretty well. Yeah that F component means you tend to be an emotional caretaker and have to be careful not to absorb other people's stuff. For me, that means often being interpreted as being aloof, cool. People sense only the protective mask and don't see the real reason for it, the empathetic tendency. I have the feeling I'm looking right down into people's heart--they don't like that if they sense it. I should have been a psychologist esp group or social psych. Then it would be OK.

[Vehl]

48. Both INTJ's and INFJ's share the same dominant function; Introverted intuition (Ni)

I'm an INTJ and I too have come to the conclusion that INTJ's and INFJ's get along really well!. In fact, when I came to know about the MBTI types some years ago, I had some of my best pals/people I get along with the most take the test, and they all turned out to be INFJ's! No wonder I always found that I could grasp what they are saying/thinking really well, and vice versa.

I believe that this is due to the fact that we both share the same dominant function, Introverted Intuition. Interestingly enough, INFJ's and INTJ's are the only 2 MBTI types which have this as the dominant function, and are also the rarest.

[Odin2005]

64. LOL, but sometimes the "impersonal" quality of INTJ ideas can drive this INFJ bonkers!

And it seems like most ultra-dogmatic Libertarian nuts I run into are INTJs. :crazy:

[Odin2005]

67. I'm a male INFJ, we are extremely rare.

Oddly enough, despite our rarity there have been 2 INFJ presidents: Jefferson and Carter.

And speaking of rare, I'm also on the autism spectrum, and the only 2 famous INFJs I have found that may have been on the spectrum are Jefferson and Ludwig Wittgenstein.

[Stardust]

63. I'm an INFJ, too. I didn't realize how rare it is, although I should have known.

That does explains a lot.

[Sisaruus]

14. I'm an INTP, too.

"For this reason, INTPs are usually not in-tune with how people are feeling, and are not naturally well-equiped to meet the emotional needs of others."

That could explain why I flunked nurturing on my college career placement exams.

[MrScorpio]

15. I bet

I wouldn't even know where to start with nurturing.

"Tell me where it hurts", I can understand. Just don't ask me to figure out what to do about dealing with, "How does that make you feel?".

[hifiguy]

96. Tell me about it.

Years ago my mom went into rehab and in group sessions the first thing I was asked was how I felt about her being there. I looked at the guy and said "I don't feel anything about it. It is a fact. It's like asking me how I 'feel' about Newton's Third Law." The guy looked at me like I was a Klingon or space lizard of some kind and quickly moved to someone else.

That was, in retrospect, one of the first signs that I was both on the autism spectrum and an INTJ.

[NYC_SKP]

18. Me, too.

Or at least I tested out an INTP once or twice.

And I wouldn't have it any other way.

Good problem solvers, global thinkers but able to appreciate details.

And I value my down time, can't take crowds for long periods of time and value alone-ness.

:hug:

[MrScorpio]

20. Alones-ness is bliss nt

[hifiguy]

97. "Hell is other people"

Jean-Paul Sartre

[gkhouston]

21. Conferences are hell. I've always paid extra to have my own hotel room

to retreat to at the end of the day to re-center.

[NYC_SKP]

28. Oh Hallelujah!!!

As recently as last March I sucked it up and said I'd share a room and couldn't hack it, fucking sports freak and then incessant snorer.

No way, never again.

On another group training they wanted men to use the bunk houses, for a week, while women had the parents quarters (at a family camp).

I took a room almost twenty miles away in the nearest town.

:P

[gkhouston]

37. It's not that I don't like people, but at the end of the day, I need

some fucking quiet. It's not a problem in my usual life but after a conference day of wall-to-wall people I just need some stillness.

[MrScorpio]

38. You need time to process and the end of your day is your favorite time to do it

I love to process in the shower and especially in the morning right after I wake up.

If we can't process alone at some place and time, we're not happy people to be around at all.

[gkhouston]

53. Nah, I just need some privacy to dismember whoever pissed me off the most.

}(

[MrScorpio]

57. I'm absolutely sure that you've carefully thought out how and where to hide the body nt

[TheCentepedeShoes]

22. INTJ

but the J vs P is the toughie

[MrScorpio]

23. Js are all cool by me

We both speak the same language most of the time

[Odin2005]

40. The best way to determine P vs. J is your attitude towards "closure"

Ps are divergent thinks that likes to keep options open and go on random tangents. Js are convergent thinkers that likes things decided and settled and prefer to make concrete conclusions and plans out of a chaos of data.

So Ps are natural brainstormers, taking a single fact and throwing ideas out there based on that fact, while Js prefer creating one singular Idea out of a collection of facts.

[MrScorpio]

44. It's my experience the Ps and Js work well together to solve problems

And Implement solutions to those problems

[hfojvt]

70. especially at bedtime

but sometimes it's good to have a B too.

FWIW, I tested INTJ online a number of years ago.

[Vehl]

54. I agree

From my experience, INTP people are very meticulous and exhaust every possible permutation and combination of a problem. This results in multiple valid answers, because most issues have more than one possible answer. INTJ's tend to pre-decide on a solution and try to work back and check if that solution is feasible. Imho , as you pointed out, they both approach problems from opposite sides.

I might venture out to say that INTP's are like scientists, while INTJ's are more like engineers. The former initially looks at the minute details before coming to an answer, while the latter decides on a solution that might work and test its validity. But then again my explanation is probably too simplistic.

[Odin2005]

60. us INFJs are similar to INTJs, except we prefer working in more subjective topics.

The social sciences are packed with INFJs, ditto with psychology.

There are also a surprising numbers of NFs in scientific fields. Jane Goodall is an INFJ, and Stephen J. Gould was an ENFJ. Gould showes that he was an NF clearly in his popular writings criticizing IQ and "race science" nonsense ("The Mismeasure of Man") as well has in his criticisms of Dawkins' Selfish Gene hypothesis. Gould was also a HUGE critic of Evolutionary Psychology, a criticism I fully agree with. Another NF indicator for Gould is his skepticism of the hyper-reductionist tendencies popular in the "Dawkins School" of evolutionary biology.

I like this description:

http://typelogic.com/infj.html

Usually self-expression comes more easily to INFJs on paper, as they tend to have strong writing skills. Since in addition they often possess a strong personal charisma, INFJs are generally well-suited to the "inspirational" professions such as teaching (especially in higher education) and religious leadership. Psychology and counseling are other obvious choices, but overall, INFJs can be exceptionally difficult to pigeonhole by their career paths. Perhaps the best example of this occurs in the technical fields. Many INFJs perceive themselves at a disadvantage when dealing with the mystique and formality of "hard logic", and in academic terms this may cause a tendency to gravitate towards the liberal arts rather than the sciences. However, the significant minority of INFJs who do pursue studies and careers in the latter areas tend to be as successful as their T counterparts, as it is *iNtuition* -- the dominant function for the INFJ type -- which governs the ability to understand abstract theory and implement it creatively.

In their own way, INFJs are just as much "systems builders" as are INTJs; the difference lies in that most INFJ "systems" are founded on human beings and human values, rather than information and technology. Their systems may for these reasons be conceptually "blurrier" than analogous NT ones, harder to measure in strict numerical terms, and easier to take for granted -- yet it is these same underlying reasons which make the resulting contributions to society so vital and profound.

[Vehl]

49. I'm one too

Hi there :toast:

[REP]

24. I'm B- ~ very rare; only 1.7% of the population

The Meyers-Briggs Personality Inventory is a fun toy, but almost meaningless. Like horoscopes.

[MrScorpio]

25. At least you tried it out for yourself

I guess that your conclusion came from further observation and careful consideration?

[Curmudgeoness]

26. I just tested myself and it came out INFJ. Dang you,

now I have to find out what that means.

I cannot imagine why you think anyone would be pissed that you posted this. Or why anyone would be pissed.

[MrScorpio]

27. Because some people would rather be pissed at another

Instead of just trying to understand where the other is coming from. I've encountered that reaction before.

I was just pointing out that I've anticipated it, if in case it were to occur in this case.

[Curmudgeoness]

29. Thanks for posting this, and making me delve into it.

I have found a few things in the INFJ profile that make me feel so much better about why I do what I do sometimes.

Like: "While instinctively courting the personal and organizational demands continually made upon them by others, at intervals INFJs will suddenly withdraw into themselves, sometimes shutting out even their intimates. This apparent paradox is a necessary escape valve for them, providing both time to rebuild their depleted resources and a filter to prevent the emotional overload to which they are so susceptible as inherent "givers." "

And I just thought that I copped out at times!

[MrScorpio]

30. You bet, I'm glad that I did post it.

Self understanding rocks!

[piedmont]

31. Hey, an INTP check-in thread! I'm in.

Ever try to visualize the 4-d hypervolume that contains the Myers-Briggs personality types?

[MrScorpio]

32. No, I haven't

But I am intrigued with what you've come up with

And you're going to have to break it down to me in simple terms. There's still a lot about MBTI that I have to understand

[flying rabbit]

33. INTP here also

The first time I read the description of the type, the first thing I thought was "well that explains a lot"

[MrScorpio]

35. It does

it's most popular linked site….

For good reason

[SharonAnn]

34. Hmmm, I'm an ESTJ. Guess that means we're opposites?

[MrScorpio]

36. Perhaps...

But I'm going to give you a hug anyway

:hug:

[Odin2005]

41. ESTJ = The Evil Boss type!

:rofl:

[Odin2005]

39. I'm an INFJ. I hate confrontation.

An example was my reluctance to be harshly critical the now TSed poster Omega Minimo when she went on her infamous "bombing the moon" tangent because we were allies in various threads dealing with violence against women.

I value reason and critical thinking, but I accept that there are limits to the power of reason, there are some things that are simply inherently beyond reason. And "logical" arguments can be used to "prove" anything you want if one starts with self-serving assumptions. Many people that claim to be "logical" are often blind to the assumptions that ground their arguments

[MrScorpio]

43. Unless both sides are willing to apply the same conversational rules...

A proper discussion won't happen.

You are absolutely correct.

I've come to learn early on if someone else is not interested in an honest discussion when that person pulls the exact same stunt you're talking about.

People who usually do this aren't equipped to argue rationally for one reason or another. Perhaps they know that they don't have a leg to stand on and use a strawmen arguments in an attempt to compensate. Some personalize to avoid the topic altogether. Maybe the messages and feedbacks are flawed themselves. Reasons vary.

However, unless the two sides are willing to communicate to each other honestly and effectively with each other, even logic and reason won't carry the conversation's water at all.

[Zanzoobar]

42. You didn't piss me off

I read the first paragraph and quit.

[ozone_man]

46. Same here.

I found the Meyer's Brigg test to be quite informative, not just in understanding myself, but understanding other types, being in relationships. I think of it as pop psychology, but based on Jungian psychology, characterization of psychological types. He was an INTP I hear. :)

[MrScorpio]

47. It has to be pop, I think

To explain it to laymen like most of us. Not being a trained psychologist myself, I appreciate that it's explained so I can understand it.

The information that I've taken from these explanations have also been very informative to me indeed.

[jberryhill]

50. ENTJ here, so STFU /nt

[MrScorpio]

51. BYOB?

[jberryhill]

65. ROFL

[locahungaria]

52. I'm a CHEAP.....

I saw that the test was $5.00 and decided that I didn't really care what my personality type is.

:hi:

[MrScorpio]

55. Oh, no...There are free tests out there...

Here you go: http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp

[locahungaria]

79. Oh, thank you.....

I figured there were some free ones, I was just too tired to look for them last night!

I'll get back to you with my personality type. :)

[locahungaria]

80. OK, I'm an ENTP......

I'm definitely an extrovert, that's for sure!

Thanks, MrScorpio; that was pretty fun!

[MrScorpio]

81. You're welcome…. Check this out

http://typelogic.com/entp.html

[locahungaria]

83. Hey, thank you!

Quite the interesting read and assortment of famous ENTP's......Garfield the cat? I love it!

:thumbsup:

[mmonk]

56. INTPs are ok by me.

[MrScorpio]

58. SWEET! nt

[kentauros]

59. I'm a Curly!

FROM THE BOOK HIGH WEIRDNESS BY MAIL

SUBGENIUS.COM
http://www.subgenius.com/websites6.htm

There are three kinds of people -- I call them Larrys, Curlys, and Moes. The Larrys don't even know that there are three types; if they're told, it's an abstraction, because they cannot imagine anything beyond Larry-ness. The Curlys know about it, and recognize the pecking order, but find ways of living with it cheerfully...for they are the imaginative, creative ones. The Moes not only know about it, but exploit and perpetuate it.

The naive, pleasant believers of all kinds are Larrys -- ineffectual, well-meaning do-gooders destined always to be victims, often without once guessing their status. Like sheep, they don't want to hear the unpleasant legends about "the slaughterhouse"; they trust the strange two-legged beings who feed them. The artists, unsung scientific geniuses, political writers, and earnest disciples of the stranger cults are Curlys -- engaging, original, accident-prone but full of life, intuitively aware of the Moe forces plotting against them and trying to fight back. They can never defeat the Moes, however, without BECOMING Moes, which is impossible for a true Curly.

The Moes, then, are the fanatics, the ranters, the cult gurus, the Uri Gellers AND the Debunkers; they are the Resistance Leaders and the Ruling Class Bankers. They hate each other, but only because they want to control ALL the Larrys and Curlys themselves. They don't actually enjoy their dominance; it's simply part of their nature. Nor are they less foolish for the fact that they make the decisions. They suffer a chronic paranoia that is unknown to their less demanding underlings. Larrys and Curlys die in wars started by rival Moes -- the Larrys willingly, the Curlys with great regret. Concepts like "Hell" and "Sin" were invented by Moes to keep Larrys in line; the Larrys in turn, being far more numerous, exert social pressures on the Curly minority to also obey...mainly so the Larrys won't feel like suckers.

The Moes also invent myths, like that of the "Grouchos, Harpos, Chicos, and Zeppos," to throw the more rebellious Curlys off their trail and keep them unsure of the real situations. {When the Curly's finally die of overwork, the Moes find that they cannot live in an all-Larry world; they select special Larry's and vainly try to mold them into False Curlys...but it isn't the same.}

I am a Moe, though not a particularly powerful one; that is why I know these things, and it is also why I dare to tell you -- for most of you will think it's just a funny joke. A few will know it is the truth, but will fight far harder against my Moe enemies than you will against me, a relatively harmless Moe. My fellow Moes -- enemies and uneasy SubGenius allies alike -- will know what I'm REALLY saying, and chuckle in appreciation while plotting my downfall. In vain. ALL in VAIN, boy.

[MrScorpio]

68. I'm a Pepper(?)

Wouldn't you like to be a Pepper too?

(Which is pretty much bullshit. Because I'm loathe to join any group because other people are joining it. The above was a lame joke)

[kentauros]

69. So long as you're not

"Up With People" :P

Oh, and the old Dr Pepper commercial back in the 70s where they advertised making "hot Dr Pepper with lemon"?
Don't do it. It tastes like, well, what you get when you combine Dr Pepper and orange juice

[Lucian]

61. I'm an INTJ.

All Rationals are good at planning operations, but Masterminds are head and shoulders above all the rest in contingency planning. Complex operations involve many steps or stages, one following another in a necessary progression, and Masterminds are naturally able to grasp how each one leads to the next, and to prepare alternatives for difficulties that are likely to arise any step of the way. Trying to anticipate every contingency, Masterminds never set off on their current project without a Plan A firmly in mind, but they are always prepared to switch to Plan B or C or D if need be.

Masterminds are rare, comprising no more than one to two percent of the population, and they are rarely encountered outside their office, factory, school, or laboratory. Although they are highly capable leaders, Masterminds are not at all eager to take command, preferring to stay in the background until others demonstrate their inability to lead. Once they take charge, however, they are thoroughgoing pragmatists. Masterminds are certain that efficiency is indispensable in a well-run organization, and if they encounter inefficiency -- any waste of human and material resources -- they are quick to realign operations and reassign personnel. Masterminds do not feel bound by established rules and procedures, and traditional authority does not impress them, nor do slogans or catchwords. Only ideas that make sense to them are adopted; those that don't, aren't, no matter who thought of them. Remember, their aim is always maximum efficiency.

Video Profile of a Rational In their careers, Masterminds usually rise to positions of responsibility, for they work long and hard and are dedicated in their pursuit of goals, sparing neither their own time and effort nor that of their colleagues and employees. Problem-solving is highly stimulating to Masterminds, who love responding to tangled systems that require careful sorting out. Ordinarily, they verbalize the positive and avoid comments of a negative nature; they are more interested in moving an organization forward than dwelling on mistakes of the past.

Masterminds tend to be much more definite and self-confident than other Rationals, having usually developed a very strong will. Decisions come easily to them; in fact, they can hardly rest until they have things settled and decided. But before they decide anything, they must do the research. Masterminds are highly theoretical, but they insist on looking at all available data before they embrace an idea, and they are suspicious of any statement that is based on shoddy research, or that is not checked against reality.

[JosefK]

62. That's me!

...but I was told that it's ADD & then Asperger's.

[MrScorpio]

71. If they didn't get it right the first time, they probably didn't get it right at all

But I will welcome you to the wonderful world of INTPness with open arms

:hug:

[MrScorpio]

66. I should point something out….

Usually, whenever I post OPs, I prefer to have discussions flow naturally without too much input from me. If asked questions, I love to answer them.

But normally, I hate kicking my own threads, I'd rather they die a natural death. If the subject matter isn't worth anyone's time or effort here, so be it.

However, I'm doing my best to keep this discussion going because this is a very important personal thing. You guys don't get a lot of personal from me, so enjoy it while it lasts.

Also, I've been thinking about how it came to be that I've ticked people off from time to time and I've come to this conclusion and hence my initial need to explain myself:


IF I ever have questions about anything that I feel that I have to ask, I will ask them. No one is going to get me to stop asking questions about anything that I'm not sure of.

However… If a question is more than likely that of a sensitive nature, I will strive to ask that question directly and with careful consideration.

I have observed that discussions get bogged down and clarity obscured with conflict over HOW something is asked, rather than WHAT is asked. This is a very important thing to many here.


Given the heated discussions that I've found myself over this past year, I feel that my motivation has been misconstrued, I'm trying very hard to resolve these issues in the most sincere way possible that I know.

As stipulated before, if that's not what you're interested in, now or ever, again so be it.

[Dappleganger]

72. It's no excuse for posting articles which are obviously offensive

and you have been here long enough to know.

Sorry, this "I am special because I'm INTP" would never fly in my circle of friends. If you don't understand how something works then ask polite questions, don't go poking in people's eyes and expect them to give you a free pass.

[MrScorpio]

73. Note taken. Should we close that particular incident and move on?

Or is the matter still unresolved?

[Dappleganger]

74. That is not mine to answer.

But this new thread of yours does seem to be wanting to be granted a special dispensation. That's not mine to give--merely pointing out the idiocy.

[MrScorpio]

77. Do you have a suggestion either way?

Any advice you'd like to offer?

[Marrah_G]

100. Honestly- time will tell

In my opinion, You have a history here on certain topics. Perhaps if you would just avoid those topics that you continually finding yourself offending on, things would get better. It takes more then words to fix this, you need to show with your actions that you are sincere about not wanting to offend the GBLT community here.

[MrScorpio]

101. I have a that some people will get offended merely if I was the person to bring up a topic

And would not do it if someone else did the exactly same thing

Just yesterday, I was reading an article in the SFWEEKLY called "A Movement Defaced: Queer Street Art Fights for Legitimacy".

As an artist myself, I found the article quite fascinating, as it discussed the degree to which underground street art plays in the importance of free expression in SF's LBGT community. It has a lot of stuff in there and is not a short piece.

However, the article and a few of the comments are not altogether complimentary of either the movement or the artist featured. As a matter of fact, it's a very controversial subject in San Francisco.

Now… Let's say I posted that story… What would be your initial reaction? Would you think that I was just "flamebaiting the gays" again. "OMG, why can't Scorpio leave us alone?"

Tell me, what would think my motivation would be?

[Marrah_G]

102. My first reaction would be "here we go again"

Past history counts. You already know how annoyed people have been by your posting history on the topic. Of course we question your motives. Why would you think people would not consider past actions? Your actions show someone who loves picking fights with the GBLT community for whatever reason it is that you do it.

The best possible thing you could do is apologize and then STOP POSTING ON GBLT ISSUES! Let people get to know you in relation to other topics. Stop picking at the same scab.

[MrScorpio]

103. Are you saying that I have no right to talk about GLBT issues?

Should I be prohibited from such a thing, even if my motives are not to sow discord?

And how exactly would I be picking a fight with GLBTs were I to post that particular story from the SFWEEKLY? Personally, I think that it has important things to discuss about art and the rights of GLBT people to freely express themselves in the SF GLBT community. I did not post it, precisely because I was actually preemptively taking your advice in anticipation of people who would misconstrue my motives.

I've been here for quite a long time, I'm quite sure that people know me in relation to a host of other topics. That's not in question.

But somehow, my participation, no matter how benign I believe it to be (as demonstrated your own reply about that article), seems to be a point of contention with you and others. Do you believe me to be homophobic? If you do, I completely understand your position.

However, if you don't think that I am, then how can your request for me to "STOP POSTING ON GBLT ISSUES" be fair to me?

How can this be fair to the spirit of honest, open and respectful discussion on this and any other topic as well?

What is the benefit of preempting discussion and who benefits from such a thing?

[Marrah_G]

105. Sigh- you just either don't get it or are feigning not getting it

Anyway, I tried. You just keep on doing what you are doing. Just can the innocent " why are you so mad" crap. No one believes it and eventually the admins might even get sick of it.

[MrScorpio]

106. I would really like to know. Do you believe me to be homophobic?

An honest answer would help me to get what you're saying quite clearly

[Silent3]

76. I have no idea what particular incident you two are going on about, but...

...as a general principle, while there are of course limits, carefully steering clear of offending people can be taken way too far as well.

[MrScorpio]

78. That is so true

But given the number of members at any given time, the scope of those limits may vary.

It can be touch and go quite frequently

[Gormy Cuss]

98. It's not offending people that's the problem --it's how one responds once the offense is noted .

When I post something that offends other DUers I try to listen to their complaints before dismissing them as overly sensitive. In nearly every case I realize that I can make accommodation in terms of usage or phrasing and still get my point across without creating offense. Sure, sometimes there's a random DUer who seems stuck on calling me a hater, but in general just a slight modification in my posts is all that is needed. YMMV.

[annabanana]

75. INFJ with the N at 75%.. I think that means I'm psychic. .

or else that other people think I'm psychic.. not quite sure.

I guess if I were psychic I'd know.

[MrScorpio]

82. Kicking for the afternoon crowd

[Quantess]

84. Me too!

I'm on the cusp of being ENTP, but a bit more on the INTP side. Also a scorpio. :)

[Le Taz Hot]

85. Someone still takes Myers-Briggs seriously?

Wow!

[montanto]

87. Please explain.

I'm curious. Is it your opinion that there is no such thing as different personality types?

[Recursion]

90. It's not actually based on any experimental studies but on "introspection" by non-psychologists

Many psychologists hate it, particularly since there are multiple instruments for evaluating it which require no particular training to administer. And they really hate that a lot of HR people seem to think it's OK to make personnel decisions based on it.

I find it more reality-based than, say, Zodiacal astronomy, but I don't think that's saying much.

[Le Taz Hot]

93. There are most defintely different personality types.

I'm questioning the validity of the ability of the MBTI to a) adequately define the personality types and b) adequately catagorize personality types. Here:

<snip>

"The National Academy of Sciences committee reviewed data from over 20 MBTI research studies and concluded that only the Intraversion-Extroversion scale has adequate construct validity. That is high correlations with comparable scales of other tests and low correlations with tests designed to assess different concepts. In contrast, the S-N and T-F scales show relatively weak validity. No mention was made in this review about the J-P scale.

Overall, the review committee concluded that the MBTI has not demonstrated adequate validity although its popularity and use has been steadily increasing.

<more>

http://www.psychometric-success.com/personality-tests/personality-tests-popular-tests.htm

The entire premise that people, as complex as we are, can fit into 16 personality categories just seemed absurd to me which is why I looked all this up years ago. My suspicions were correct.

[montanto]

88. Me too.

[Recursion]

89. INTP: organized computer files, cluttered desk (nt)

[MrScorpio]

113. Bingo nt

[JuniperLea]

91. ENTJ here...

I'm not sure what percentage of the population holds the distinction.

The Executive


As an ENTJ, your primary mode of living is focused externally, where you deal with things rationally and logically. Your secondary mode is internal, where you take things in primarily via your intuition.

ENTJs are natural born leaders. They live in a world of possibilities where they see all sorts challenges to be surmounted, and they want to be the ones responsible for surmounting them. They have a drive for leadership, which is well-served by their quickness to grasp complexities, their ability to absorb a large amount of impersonal information, and their quick and decisive judgments. They are "take charge" people.

http://www.personalitypage.com/ENTJ.html



No wonder I can be so bossy, and always insist on being the queen bee! I have a queen bee kind of job too... very interesting.

[Doctor Hurt]

92. sounds like an aspie

which I've been diagnosed as...

[MrScorpio]

108. From what I understand about Aspies...

Is that Aspies are unable to recognize an emotion or determine what an emotion is when they encounter it. I don't have a problem with emotional recognition at all and I know what they are when I see them.

Here are other symptoms:

Social awkwardness / no friends

Obsessions / focused on one subject

Lack of eye contact

Sensitivity to noise / touch / feel of clothing

Slow to begin talking

Odd speech / extreme logic / very proper speech

Anger / aggression / hitting others

Craves ROUTINE!

Appears lost / in own world

Flapping hands

Communication problems or motor skills problems

Stimming behavior


None of these describe me. Well maybe the "lost in own world" part. But that's only because I'm processing my thoughts for the time being. I can come back to the real world at any time.


However, I just don't understand why people make rash decisions based on an elevated emotional state. From my own experience, were I do so that, it would have severe consequences.

And when I see people who do that, I want to ask them, "What the fuck were you thinking when you did that?" In most instances, they weren't. It's just hard for me to think of a reason why someone would throw reason and logic out of the window, unless we're talking a life or death situation that requires the use of pure instinct.

I believe that preparation for action requires prior careful thought, logic and consideration.

[Doctor Hurt]

112. there is significant overlap

I don't have all those characteristics. But I have most, on a sliding scale.

I tend to view asperger's as less a disorder than a personality type anyway.

[hifiguy]

94. INTJ here as well

Add my Asperger's to the mix and you have someone so introverted and cerebral that that I make Data and Mr. Spock look like goofy good-time Charlies.

All of this x about 100 for me:

As an INTJ, your primary mode of living is focused internally, where you take things in primarily via your intuition. Your secondary mode is external, where you deal with things rationally and logically.

INTJs live in the world of ideas and strategic planning. They value intelligence, knowledge, and competence, and typically have high standards in these regards, which they continuously strive to fulfill. To a somewhat lesser extent, they have similar expectations of others.

With Introverted Intuition dominating their personality, INTJs focus their energy on observing the world, and generating ideas and possibilities. Their mind constantly gathers information and makes associations about it. They are tremendously insightful and usually are very quick to understand new ideas.

***

It is not easy for the INTJ to express their internal images, insights, and abstractions. The internal form of the INTJ's thoughts and concepts is highly individualized, and is not readily translatable into a form that others will understand. However, the INTJ is driven to translate their ideas into a plan or system that is usually readily explainable, rather than to do a direct translation of their thoughts. They usually don't see the value of a direct transaction, and will also have difficulty expressing their ideas, which are non-linear. However, their extreme respect of knowledge and intelligence will motivate them to explain themselves to another person who they feel is deserving of the effort.

***

INTJs spend a lot of time inside their own minds, and may have little interest in the other people's thoughts or feelings. Unless their Feeling side is developed, they may have problems giving other people the level of intimacy that is needed. Unless their Sensing side is developed, they may have a tendency to ignore details which are necessary for implementing their ideas.

The INTJ's interest in dealing with the world is to make decisions, express judgments, and put everything that they encounter into an understandable and rational system. Consequently, they are quick to express judgments. Often they have very evolved intuitions, and are convinced that they are right about things. Unless they complement their intuitive understanding with a well-developed ability to express their insights, they may find themselves frequently misunderstood. In these cases, INTJs tend to blame misunderstandings on the limitations of the other party, rather than on their own difficulty in expressing themselves. This tendency may cause the INTJ to dismiss others input too quickly, and to become generally arrogant and elitist.

***

They dislike messiness and inefficiency, and anything that is muddled or unclear. They value clarity and efficiency, and will put enormous amounts of energy and time into consolidating their insights into structured patterns.

Other people may have a difficult time understanding an INTJ. They may see them as aloof and reserved. Indeed, the INTJ is not overly demonstrative of their affections, and is likely to not give as much praise or positive support as others may need or desire. That doesn't mean that he or she doesn't truly have affection or regard for others, they simply do not typically feel the need to express it. Others may falsely perceive the INTJ as being rigid and set in their ways. Nothing could be further from the truth, because the INTJ is committed to always finding the objective best strategy to implement their ideas. The INTJ is usually quite open to hearing an alternative way of doing something.

[snooper2]

99. I'm going to make up some "personality types" and start assigning them

:rofl:

[Name removed]

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[marions ghost]

109. what's it to ya?

personality types not your kinda fun? :rofl:

I care that MrScorpio is an INTP. (Being an INFJ I would care).

[MrScorpio]

110. My mom died in 1974

I'm sure that, if she were alive today, she would care quite sincerely.

It's quite apparent that you don't… Along with your own apparent impulsive desire to demonstrate your own stupidity.


But hell, Jesus loves YOU anyway, right?