May I use an old film cliche to explain why Weiner must go.

[styersc]

Everyone is familiar with the scene that has been in lots of old war or catastrophe movies where the injured, wounded or otherwise handicapped character turns to his brothers-in-arms and says, "I'm a burden and I'm endangering the mission. You have to go on without me".

Weiner was one of my favorite lions on the floor. His scolding of the Repubs during the 9/11 Heroes Health Care debate was a highlight of the year. He demonstrated brains and a sharp wit. But liberal/progressives have to realize that he is now so wounded, that he should be brave enough to tell us we have to go on without him. Even if he could miraculously be re-elected, his every effort will have an asterisk. He will have no allies making him neuter.

If he was ever a sincere fighter for progressivism, he has to do the right thing.

[Warpy]

1. Bullshit

Leaving us with all those old maids in pants in the DLC is endangering the mission, not standing up to bullies like Breitbart and Issa.

[styersc]

4. OK .Hold onto the sinking anchor.

[Hissyspit]

2. Yes, we should all base our life actions on fictional film cliches.

:eyes:

[styersc]

5. That is exactly what I said.

You are brilliant.

[Hissyspit]

13. My life bible:

http://www.moviecliches.com

"Every shopping bag contains at least one baguette (loaf of french bread)."

[styersc]

14. Congrats.

Your efforts have paid off. You are cliche'.

[notadmblnd]

3. I think that you are wrong

:shrug:

[napi21]

6. I disagree! I don't see any of the Pubs being considered a drag

on THEIR mission! Tony will be just fine, and his story will go away a soon as some new scandal hits the news wires.

[styersc]

10. The Pubs who did as stupid or worse than Weiner, were the

reason the Dems took control of the house in 2006 and it built momentum for 2008. You are making my point for me.

Come on Weiner, be a hero and fall on your sword.

Teenage girls.....geez.....

[napi21]

28. Forget falling on their sword! I; tred of the Dems doing that!

That's what the Dems always do and what's it gotten them? I watched Real time with Bill Maher tonight & he read the actual transcript from one of the phone calls between Toony & a woman from Calif. Maybe I'm just too old, from another generation, or something, and I've been married for 48 years, but I can't ever imagin saying the things that woman said to him...on the phone or in person! I've always thought the US was still operating in the victorian ages when it comes to sex, and I still believe that, but the woman surprised me much more than Tony did.

If his constituents still want him to represent them, I think we all should stand down.

[sabrina 1]

31. Teenage girls? What about them?

[ClarkUSA]

16. Are you forgetting Cliff Lee? Republicans got rid of him hours after his craiglist pics turned up.

[notadmblnd]

34. Lee was not forced to resign

— Speaker John Boehner said Thursday that former Rep. Christopher Lee, who resigned Wednesday after photos of his bare torso were posted on a website, made "his own decision" to resign and was not forced out.

The scandal surrounding Lee, a married second-term Republican congressman from western New York who allegedly used the personals site Craigslist to send photos of himself to at least one woman, unfolded as rapidly as any in congressional history. Just hours after the photos were made public, Lee submitted his resignation letter to Boehner.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/11/news/la-pn-boeh...

[ClarkUSA]

35. Neither is Weiner.

[notadmblnd]

39. Pressure is being put on him by various group leaders

the minority leader in Congress and I believe both the leaders of the DCCC and the DNC. Just look at the victorian era prudes here and their comments. People are so obsessed with sex and the talk of it- like it is the nastiest thing a person can do. All the while pretending to be as pure as the driven snow- knowing that 90% of us- are guilty of making lewd comments to total strangers. I know I have both in public and via the internet.

Personally, I like sex and would definitely enjoy having more of it- real time. Being a widow however, at my age,(52) most potential partners are either married, sick or otherwise broken by their failed relationships. My choices are limited to reading romance novels, engaging in meaningless online chat and masturbation. I'm not going to judge AW and I don't see that he's done anything wrong morally. As long as his conversations were with consenting adults, it really is none of our business.

For those that don't enjoy any form of sex, I'd say don't have it. But don't judge me or others because we do.


We all know that this was a hit job done on AW by Britebart and the republicans. Hell, Issa's office was directing it. It was done to deflect attention away from the Clarence Thomas scandal. It was very effective. AW is silenced and no one is talking about CT. I feel it all could have been avoided, if AW had responded to the attack differently and not have let them make him feel bad about it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, those that can, do- and those that can't, talk.

[brooklynite]

36. You're going to take Boehner's word that he wasn't privately pressured to resign?

Well, I guess that makes it true then.

[notadmblnd]

38. Well if I don't , then Boner is lying and he should resign

No? Isn't that what everyone is up in arms about in regards to Wiener- his lying about his legal actions with other consenting adults?

[truedelphi]

7. I am willing to hop on the band wagon and insist that Weiner goes -

As soon as Clarence Thomas is gone.

And David Vitter.

Et cetera.

I am assuming part of the reason that Vitter is still around is because like several other "Christian" fornicators, a born again "Christian" can always go and "rediscover the Lord," which seems to make anything they have done forgive-able.

But how can Weiner do that? He's Jewish. So he doesn't have that convenient out.

So in a sense he is being punished for religious beliefs, isn't he?

[Dennis Donovan]

9. I second that sentiment...

:thumbsup:

[styersc]

11. Holy Sh*t.

You have got to be kidding!!!!

[Little Star]

8. I agree.

[bemildred]

12. He's not that important, this whole thing is a tempest in a teapot. nt

[Dollface]

15. I beg to differ. He will be OK as soon as the next scandal arises.

Plus, he has huge cajones. I've seen them.

[baldguy]

17. If you require all your heroes to be perfect humans with no sins...

You will be eternally disappointed.

Weiner's only crime is that he's a Democrat. If he had been caught using the wrong fork at a State dinner, the GOP would be calling for his resignation too.

[styersc]

18. And this would be your response if he was a Republican.

If this very same thing was found out about a Republican, you would be belittling posters who wanted to make a big deal out of it?

And your fork usage analogy is probably quite relevant. Perhaps Weiner was texting and tweeting teenage girls as a means of mentoring them in regards to etiquette. You probably have something.

[baldguy]

20. Republicans don't throw their perverts under the bus.

They help them cover up their crimes & get them reelected.

[The Midway Rebel]

19. If only...

real life were a movie.

[mitchtv]

21. you can use anything you want to use

But until you move to south Queens or his part of Brooklyn you are SOL.

[EFerrari]

22. Life isn't a movie.

[Webster Green]

23. No.

He should stay. I wish he was speaker of the house. The current speaker is a wimp.

[Samantha]

24. Bill Press said a few words that cleared my head on this subject

(Paraphrasing) I would rather have a progressive with a zipper problem than a Democrat without a zipper problem who supports subsidies for Big Oil.

When I heard this line, I immediately knew Weiner should stay.

[CelticThunder]

25. You forgot to add one thing to your scenario:

The wounded soldier sacrificing himself for the mission must be Republican in order for your analogy to fly. Just as if Weiner were Republican, then the outrage toward him and the demands for his immediate resignation would be absolutely deafening.

[sabrina 1]

32. No one I know demanded that Republicans go, unless they broke

the law. You're confusing us with Republicans. Democrats don't think sex is a reason for anyone to be forced out of a job.

Where did you get that idea from?

What we WILL do is point out the hypocrisy of someone who preaches family values, engaging in the normal, human behavior himself, that he proclaims is a sin for others.

Speaking for myself, I NEVER want a Republican caught in a sex scandal to quit, because he is one more voice in the party that will have to remain silent from then on, on 'family values' or we will be there to remind him and his party of their hypocrisy.

It is not good strategy to demand that they leave. Exposing hypocrisy otoh, is very good strategy for all of us.

[CelticThunder]

37. There have been plenty of calls for sex scandal plagued Republicans to resign.

And if you think Republicans who've been caught in sex scandals and don't quit remain silent on family values from then on, you must be hard of hearing. They are shameless before, during, and after being caught. So you have a problem with that but not when Democrats behave in the same way, got it.

I'm not confusing anything. If all you want to do is expose hypocrisy, not punish it, if you are content with Weiner's lies continuing to precede him wherever he goes, giving Republicans the same ammunition against Democrats that you want Democrats to have against Republicans, then by all means rock on! But don't keep tossing the word hypocrisy around.

[lynne]

26. While you're right, I doubt that he will -

- as anyone so narcissistic as to be tweeting pecker pics is way to narcissistic to see that they are a big problem for the party.

[uncle ray]

27. except his brothers won't leave him there to die like that.

at least in the movies i've seen.

[Poll_Blind]

29. He could tweet his dick 24/7 and he'd still help get more Progressive legislation through than 2/3..

...of the so-called "Democrats" on the floor, today.

"I'm a burden and I'm endangering the mission. You have to go on without me"

Uh...

PB

[Bluebear]

30. Is Vitter "neuter"?

[loyalsister]

33. I am sad to have come around to that conclusion

I was just thinking he should finish his term and move on. But, the teenager thing is too much.
I think this has nothing to do with Republicans and how they handle their scandals. This was our guy who has done damage and rendered himself useless as one of the best representative of progressive causes. When he took on a role as a spokesman for liberals, he took on the responsibility to be loyal to Democratic constituents across the country. That loyalty to me means maintaining his capacity to be effective. He didn't do that. He threw away his ability to serve Democrats when he went on a lying spree.
I also think that out of respect for the president he should go. He called him and lied to him essentially about his capacity to get through this and do his job as a Democrat to advocate Obama's policies when he supports the.
I don't see how it matters what Republicans have done. They didn't betray me and my interests.

[ClassWarrior]

40. Old film cliches?? Destroying liberals? Ronnie Raygun, is that you?

:rofl:

NGU.