Rachel has bad news coming up about Weiner...

[sasha031]

[LiberalLoner]

1. Yeah, she looks very grim. I don't like that one bit. :( I think I'm going to

end up crying tonight. I just can't take this. First we lost Alan Grayson (oh and they took Keith Olbermann off MSNBC which bugged me too) and now we are maybe going to lose Weiner? I feel like a big part of me just wants to curl up and die.

[dixiegrrrrl]

2. Pls post for those of us without tv....

[NYC_SKP]

3. Weiner's messages to teenage girl in Delaware.

Weiner and his people having to explain away a lot of apparent messaging between him and women who are turning out, allegedly, to be minors.

Not at all good.

[Gin]

9. she showed him at his presser saying he took the girls at their

word about their age...shockingly naive...god...hope this goes away quickly.

[aquart]

63. Holy shit, what a masterpiece of fabrication.

They managed to find ONE 17 year old girl. ONE. And you can bet they have been looking really hard.

And her family said, Nuh uh.

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[sabrina 1]

79. No, and that girl's family have already said that nothing

wrong occured and that they would have reported it if it had. This was obviously a stunt probably by Breitbart again to keep this story going. A Fox reporter was at the home BEFORE the police.

Rachel should have waited and not accepted Fox's version of the story.

I'm sure she'll correct it tomorrow.

[Raine]

80. No Rachel won't

she's not on on Saturdays.

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[AsahinaKimi]

4. to watch without tv

http://msnbclive.eu/

[Raine]

6. Rachel looks concerned

but is witholding judgement ... for now.

[femmocrat]

11. Rachel just reported on the girl in Delaware and quoted the police in her town.

Rachel said that is all that is known right now.

But.... I have seen posts that quote the girl's tweets here on DU. I'm guessing that it must be all over the internet by now.

[aquart]

62. Link to those tweets, please?

[femmocrat]

84. Here is one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=439&topic_id=1273514

You can search for others using the simple search function. There were several others.

[LiberalLoner]

5. Okay, nothing we don't already know, source close to the girl's family said

she didn't receive anything indecent etc. Or some words to that effect, can't remember the exact words.

So that part is comforting, at least. Oh, man, I can't tell you guys how much I am hoping this won't end up being really bad. I really really really do not want to lose his voice.

[HipChick]

7. The family are saying nothing inappropiate took place or they would have filed charges..

[aquart]

13. And so they should.

[sasha031]

8. if he makes it I want to see him in therapy

[KittyWampus]

17. Exactly. I like the guy. He's essentially like a dry drunk right now. Until he faces it

and gets help- he's at risk for repeating behavior and more lying.

[aquart]

10. If there had been anything, they would have filed charges?

They didn't file charges. So why were the cops there? To tell the Fox reporter to get off the lawn?

[Skip_In_Boulder]

24. It seems a little strange to me

that a Fox reported just happened to show up at the same time the cops did.

[Warpy]

14. Same here and I hope this is educating a lot of men

because you don't know who's at the other end of anything online, whether it's a kid, a cop, or some right wing perv who will set you up when he's done getting his jollies.

[HipChick]

18. I hope so too...but it keeps happening, so no..they aren't learning

[Doctor Hurt]

22. If one wants to perv, there are age verified sites for it.

which, at least, lowers the downside risk.

[HipChick]

16. Link

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/06/10/2011-06-10_rep_anthony_weiner_tweeted_17yearold_girl_but_congressman_swears_it_wasnt_dirty_.html

"She was not targeted in any way and did not receive any inappropriate messages or photos or anything from the congressman," a source close to the Delaware girl told the Daily News. "If she had, her family would have filed charges

[KittyWampus]

19. Thanks HipChick.

[KingFlorez]

31. Well, that's refreshing

Hopefully, it all turns out to be true.

[aquart]

65. IOW, screw you, Fox.

[kstewart33]

27. Lose his voice?

Somehow, somewhere in his district there is a Democrat progressive with ambition and with a great deal of common sense and morals - which Weiner clearly lacks - who can run to replace him.

[aquart]

66. So people are interchangeable replaceable parts?

And you think Weiner is in the Democrat Party?

You need to watch the dead giveaways.

[kstewart33]

83. Well, in many cases, yes.

One of the most painful lessons that I learned in my twenties is that no one is irreplaceable.

Weiner is certainly replaceable. And I'd wager that there are many fine Democrats who'd do just that if given the opportunity.

[napi21]

12. It was actually bad bews for FOX! Those lying btd's will

insinuate anything if it might damage a dem!

[deminks]

15. Nope, Rachel reporting that the facts do not support the hype on Fox Noise at this point.

They have talked to police, friends of family, congressman's spokesman.

If anything changes, it will be reported.

[riderinthestorm]

20. So Rachel is just a prude too, who doesn ''get" that sexting is the new normal

I mean, sheesh, she just must have some cultural hangups from where she comes from, or she's just not 'cool" enough to know that this is no biggie. EVERYONE sexts!

Leave Weiner alone!!111!! This is a private matter and nobody should be concerned that there may be minors involved or lies or anything....

[Doctor Hurt]

21. Wow. In your attempt to parody others

you have descended into self parody. Impressive skill.

[riderinthestorm]

23. Yes because nobody on DU's been accused of being a sniggering

prude or country hick because the Weiner sexcapade rang some alarm bells. And now we have Rachel to add to the "prude" pile... she's just got "prude" written all over her doesn't she?

I mean for gosh sakes, he hasn't actually (been proven to have) stuck his dick in a minor yet so there's that. But carry on pretending that minors being involved in personally text messaging Weiner is ALSO no big deal. Deluding oneself that this is just some trivial witch hunt is also an impressive skill.

[Skip_In_Boulder]

29. So are you saying it should be a law

that adult men should not talk to anyone under 18?

[riderinthestorm]

37. CONGRESSMEN 3x older than minor girl children should keep it on letterhead

and not be personally texting underage girls. Period. This isn't just any guy "talking" to a young girl. Nice attempt to deflect from the truth of what's really happened here.

Laws?
Snort!

Weiner may well go to jail at the end of this and it won't be because he was simply "talking" to underage girls.

[Maru Kitteh]

59. Exactly. There's no earthly reason why a 45yo married man should be sending PRIVATE MESSAGES to

a 17yo girl. Ever.

[aquart]

74. Still, that's for his wife to say just before she brains him with a skillet.

You're not his wife. I'm guessing you're not even his constituent. FOREST HILLS. German. Those people came out of concentration camps. Or their parents did. You really think sex shocks them?

[WeekendWarrior]

86. Are you freaking kidding me?

These were Twitter messages, right? Someone sends you a PM, you respond. You have a dialog. Half the time you don't know who you're talking to but a nickname. How many people give their age on Twitter? I know I don't.

Now, if he was saying INAPPROPRIATE things to her, and he somehow knew her age, then you'd have a point. But otherwise your statement is ridiculous.

[Skip_In_Boulder]

60. And can I assume that you have some evidence

that the events you foretell of will take place? Because the current news stories are saying that there was no improprieties that took place in these messages.

[aquart]

69. Truth?

[Doctor Hurt]

30. you haven't actually

(been proven to have) stuck your dick in a minor yet either, you know.


No evidence he's done anything like that. To imply otherwise is downright nasty.

[riderinthestorm]

41. Yeah, if I HAD a dick, I'd keep it far, far away from young underage girls

if I were a US Congressman! Including pics.

We have no evidence of Weiner's weiner transgressing (yet?) but I'd lay good odds that it's out there and Rachel Maddow is putting this story into her files tonight because there's more than a whiff of bad shit ahead.

Rachel Maddow has been a very thoughtful progressive voice. She's putting this story out there now because there's deep shit that's lurking. I'd lay a bet on it. She's not a rumor monger and she's not one to "launch the propaganda".

[Doctor Hurt]

43. Sorry, but you are doing something very wrong.

with your constant insinuation of a truly vile crime here. It's just really, really wrong, and I hope that you'll think better of it tomorrow.

Has Weiner done something wrong? Perhaps. We'll see.

But in the absence of any evidence, calling someone a likely child molester is really bad.

[riderinthestorm]

49. Yeah well if you aren't worried that Dr. Rachel Maddow has just jumped on this story

means you aren't paying attention. She's avoided ALL insinuations up until now.

That means, imho, that there really is FIRE under this smoke.

She's getting ahead of this story NOW and I don't believe that any DUer who is concerned that Rachel Maddow is involved is so "wrong".

There have been more than a couple DU posts (like maybe a thousand) calling out anyone who dared express ANY doubt about Weiner all along.

I don't like it. A lot of people worked overtime to shut down anyone who they thought was too "sanctimonious" (and worse bullshit names).

Something is wrong. And some of us felt it in our bones.

[Doctor Hurt]

50. fine

you feel justified. groovy.

[aquart]

76. Yep. Calming shrieking hysteria is damned hard work.

I do not get enough credit.

[Skip_In_Boulder]

61. What can you say

Some people have never heard of innocent until proven guilty. Although that is usually on the R side.

[JDPriestly]

57. So far there is no evidence of sex texting with minors. None whatsoever.

If there is then there will be a problem. Until then, why borrow trouble?

[Bluebear]

64. Kindly stop with your dick and shit talk.

Decency and all. ;)

[aquart]

70. Sweetie, you do know that he hasn't met any of these women?

That all the sex has been masturbation?

[Carolina]

36. "EVERYONE sexts!" ?????????????????????

WTF?! No, everyone does not sext. And the minute Weiner sent his junk out on the net, it was no longer a private matter

[riderinthestorm]

44. Oh, I agree with you and was being facetious. Days on end anyone who was worried there was more

to this story here at DU were told they were being essentially concern trolls, prudes, sniggering puritanical trolls and that everyone sexts doncha know!

Lots of convo about how this was a "private" matter and how unseemly it was to even dare express having a wee bit of a problem with Congressmen Anthony Weiner's sexting.

I guess I'm just fed up with the DUers who want to create a meme that "everyone" is a lying adulterous porno and that we are somehow being "culturally" backwards (yes that was also an entire thread) to even TRY to draw the line on what a Congressman should or should not do with sending out pics of his erection online.

[mzmolly]

42. Rachel took issue with the age of the girl.

Not sexting, per se.

[Blue_In_AK]

25. Well, that wasn't bad news at all, was it?

A lot of jumping to conclusions going on here and elsewhere.

[kstewart33]

28. Where there is smoke, there's fire.

And Weiner's choking on all the smoke.

Give it up guys - this guy isn't worth the time or effort.

[Doctor Hurt]

34. Cliches! The answer was in the cliches all the time.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

A rolling stone gathers no moss.

Where there's smoke there's fire.

Who needs to think when pithy truisms will do it for us?

[kstewart33]

45. Good point. Except when the pithy truism fits.

The more interesting question is: how far will DUers go in defending Weiner?

If he were a Repub, we'd all be digging his grave.

The hypocrisy is appalling.

As for all the upcoming degrading new news tidbits and there will be plenty of them - when it rains it pours.... and of course, if the shoe fits....

And the lesson for us all - the truth hurts.

It really does.

[Doctor Hurt]

47. Pithy truisms never fit

when they are correct, they are correct by accident. Stopped clock fashion.

As for defending Weiner, I could give a shit about him. He doesn't mean anything to me. I'm not really super-"progressive" by the standards of most here, and he's never been a hero.

What I am going to defend is the right of people with unusual, but non-criminal sexual tastes to participate equally in politics. If it's shown that Weiner sexually messaged this minor, or another one, fine, he goes. But if there's just tons of tons of revelations of him sending pervy pics to adults, or maybe he has an account on adultfriendfinder, or something like that, well, I want him to fight to stay. Because I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

[Blue_In_AK]

53. I was neither defending him nor excoriating him.

I was merely stating the fact that in this particular instance it looks like certain people jumped to conclusions and made this out to be something it wasn't.

[JDPriestly]

58. Not true. We would be laughing our heads off at the antics of the

Republican, and that is what we should do here. There may be worse to come, but let's not anticipate it until it happens. If there is worse, Weiner will know what to do, and we will not need to tell him.

Thus far, he needs to stop sex texting and deal with his addiction to it, but other than that, it is not as if he is getting drunk on Saturday night and beating people up. It is also not as if he was harassing women who did not want it. At least we haven't heard of anything like that yet.

[aquart]

67. Thank you for your concern.

I value it as it deserves.

[kstewart33]

26. It is time for Weiner to leave the stage.

And take his photos of himself with him.

The guy is a first class creep.

And I wonder: if he were a Republican, would DUers be supporting him with the steadfast earnestness given to Weiner?

Don't think so.

[SugarShack]

32. Agree! the country's in a downward spiral and Weiner's busy having fun.He must have healthcare + ret

I don't want to pay him anymore. And, the lifetime pensions should be removed for ethics violations. Then....they would not do this!

[styersc]

35. If Weiner has any honor or interest in seeing progressive policies

advanced, he would do the right thing and resign. He is at worst wounded, and at best a punchline. He is useless and impotent from here forward. His interest in staying can only be ego because he will never be an effective advocate again.

[aquart]

71. Thank you for your energetic concern.

I would be embarrassed to be a Fox puppet myself.

[ClarkUSA]

39. There's definitely a double standard at work re: Wiener's vs. Republicans' perversion.

[riderinthestorm]

51. This is the maddening part isn't it? Vitter gets to ride it out

and with all his perversions, he's still there.

Yet Weiner really may be brought down. It's quite possible there are other real legal issues at work with Weiner but are they on the same level as Vitter for example? Why does one get to stay and the other doesn't?

Even more so, Clinton stayed. He didn't quit.

Sigh. I hate it.

[aquart]

72. Gosh, I hope not.

The Republicans are trying to kill us and destroy our country.

Republicans, and I can understand why you miss this distinction, campaign on their moral superiority. Consequently, they always look like pure shit in their scandals. It's not the lying, it's the bloody hypocrisy.

But I don't have a problem with Vitter seeing a prostitute as long as he pays her the price agreed.

I really do want government out of the bedroom and back in the boardroom where it belongs.

[alp227]

33. I don't think that Maddow can sink as low as Fox News, and the website is maddow.msnbc.com

Today's Rachel show should be up in an hour or so. And these accusations that Weiner has now sunken even worse than Mark Foley by sending lewd messages to a TEENAGE GIRL are so serious that they merit a real investigation - with law enforcement gathering and evaluating the evidence or lack thereof - rather than contentless, speculative cable TV talk.

[1monster]

55. Did you miss this? He didn't send lewd messages to the 17 year old girl.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/06/10/2011-06-10_rep_anthony_weiner_tweeted_17yearold_girl_but_congressman_swears_it_wasnt_dirty_.html

She was not targeted in any way and did not receive any inappropriate messages or photos or anything from the congressman," a source close to the Delaware girl told the Daily News. "If she had, her family would have filed charges.

Some conservative bloggers have zeroed-in on an excited tweet the girl posted on April 13 in which she declared, "Seriously talking to Representative Weiner from New York right now! Like is my life real?"
Two days later, she complained that Weiner was no longer following her on Twitter.

"The blogs have taken a few tweets from a 17-year-old kid and put their own twist on messages that were just kid stuff," the source said. "Her family has gone through all her accounts and not found any inappropriate messages."

[bluestateguy]

38. She needs to shut up about him and stop talking about it

A fine jounrnalist like Dr. Maddow should not besmirch her career by droning on and on about an assclown like Weiner.

[styersc]

40. HIs resignation would certainly hurry that along.

[mitchtv]

54. move to nyc ,then tell him with a vote

nt

[riderinthestorm]

46. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Dr. Maddow has other info on Weiner

that hasn't been proven yet but she knows its close to proven. She's putting the story out there because there really is a fire to this smoke.

She's not a rumour monger or one to catapult the propaganda. I'm worried there's more coming and she's putting her feet in the lake to ensure she actually is on record as condemning this when the shit hits the fan.

[trumad]

48. SD

Self delete

[HipChick]

52. She wasn't condeming it..

she was saying there was nothing to it..if there was, they'd update

[aquart]

81. She isn't a rumor monger, but you.....

Whole other story.

[Bluebear]

85. Oh brother

[loyalsister]

56. It's sort of like when Johnson lost Cronkite

:(

[dorkulon]

68. This is what worries me about Weiner sticking around.

There will be more stories, more women, more details, coming out periodically. This thing will dog him forever.

[Bluebear]

73. Except this was not a new story, not a new woman, or details.

[aquart]

77. Like Bill Clinton. JFK, MLK, jr, FDR, Eisenhower....

And who was the one where they chanted: Ma! Ma! Where's my Pa? Gone to the White House, Ha Ha Ha!?

Yeah, we wouldn't want him to sully DC.

[Scottybeamer70]

78. Good one, aquart......

Thanks!