Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Can politicians be on the side of the people ...?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU
 
kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 06:32 AM
Original message
Can politicians be on the side of the people ...?
....at the same time they are on the side of big banks and multi-national corporations?

Can they serve at the benefit of both?

Or will the powerful wipe out the little guy? And just what should be the jobs of politicians? Are they sent to Washington to feather their own nest? Are they sent to pay back the wealthy and powerful for their contributions? Are they sent there to represent the little guy? The powerful don't need help. It is the common man and woman. It is the one who must struggle to make ends meet each and every day. They must worry about food and shelter and the well-being of their children.

Are our politicians doing their job? Are they looking out for the people? Have they lost sight of their responsibilites? Are they afraid to challenge the wealthy and powerful?


.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 06:48 AM
Response to Original message
1. No....
...politicians should be on the side of the People only. Any conflict of interest is a detriment to their ability to serve the People.

We should have publicly financed elections, and other safeguards to ensure that the best interests of the People are being served.

Why should Americans allow politicians to serve any interest that is not in the best interest of the People?


Of the People, by the People, for the People.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 07:04 AM
Response to Reply #1
6. This is true, but 'we the people' seem wholly ineffective in throwing them out
and changing the rules. We also have SCOTUS against 'we the people' with Citizens United, etc.

In this country money = power, as with most, and the cornered wealth in this country has the power, so 'we the people' talk and whine, but the system plows on as is.

And we have unprecedented levels of propaganda and slick marketing selling the stage-front politicians to the masses with huge sums of money exchanging hands. 'We the people' can not compete until 'we the people' get our act together and run them off the stage.

And combined with this we have a dumbed down population and many proud of their ignorance, misstated facts and a warped perception of history.

And with that 'the blinded faithful' acting on command from their pastors, leaders of the flock.




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 07:42 AM
Response to Reply #6
8. The solution is to educate and register voters before it's too late. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 06:49 AM
Response to Original message
2. They are sadly a rarity any more
Some can be on the side of the people. But they are far out numbered by the ones out to feather their own nests and who cozy up to big business and the banks and Wall St.

And even if someone manages to stay on the side of the people, they aren't allowed an ounce of power or control. Look at who even the Dems give their chairmanships and make committee heads, etc.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 06:50 AM
Response to Original message
3. What's that old Christian saying?
"You can't serve two masters." Particularly when they are diametrically opposed. We need new blood in D.C.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 06:55 AM
Response to Original message
4. Is this not an important question? n/t
??
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 06:59 AM
Response to Original message
5. Of course not.
Edited on Fri Jun-10-11 07:07 AM by originalpckelly
One day people will realize how mathematically impossible it is for the "representatives" to represent the people of our nation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 07:07 AM
Response to Reply #5
7. Excellent point! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
alc Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 07:43 AM
Response to Original message
9. not career politicians in the US
Once they've made that their career instead of a short term job they have to do what it takes to get re-elected. Most voters are "always D" or "always R". Politicians have to focus on getting enough of the others to vote for them. Most US voters don't pay much attention except late in the campaign, so being able to lie convincingly in the campaign is what it takes to get the voters who may go either way. The rest of the time they need to focus on getting enough campaign money to get their lies out and voting on both sides of any issue they can so they can back up their lie.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 08:14 AM
Response to Original message
10. We don't have enough money
to attract their interest.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. And the goal of a runaway capitalistic system by design, a few have all of
the corned wealth and power, and the majority have not enough money and hence nothing to attract their interest.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 08:38 AM
Response to Original message
12. The root is the money. Billions of dollars to get elected is destructive and absurd. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 09:22 AM
Response to Original message
13. Who Do Our Politicians Really Work For?
The only time "the people" matter is on election day. One day out of two years for a Congresscritter and six years for a Senator. The rest of the time they are in fundraising mode to make it possible to afford to make it to the next election day. The rising costs of our non-stop election cycle mean the next election will be more expensive than the last so no sooner is one election done the fundraising for the next begins.

Those rising costs are in several areas. Most notable is the high costs of advertising...especially television. The broadcasters and cables have become suckers for the free and easy campaign cash and make sure the candidates pay top dollar as much and as often as possible. Avoid television at your peril and if your opponent spends big, you need to double down as well or get buried. The money for this air arms race has to come from somewhere. And try to regulate the cost of the advertising? Forget it...the broadcast lobby makes sure their politicians wheels get greased to keep their gravy train on track.

Those who write the checks...the big ones...are the ones who our politicians work for cause without them they can't afford the big coin to keep their high profile gigs. This goes double for corporations that operate in their districts as keeping those big donors and the voters who work for those companies happy goes a long way to keeping that Rep. or Sen. title on the door.

Since it's all but impossible to get any meaningful campaign finance reforms passed or the current laws enforced, I'd favor shortening the campaign season. Let's take a page from the British and make campaigns no longer than 90 days from declaration of candidacy to the actual vote. Compressing the time means the spending won't be as much...but that still doesn't address the influence...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 10:16 AM
Response to Original message
14. Nope. The state is the ruling class's means of social control.

Although some leeway is allowed in order to keep up appearances politicians in capitalist society are the creatures of the ruling class.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. We can't handle the truth.
Would you please stop?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. kentuck...

I'm not sure if you left the sarcasm tag off or not.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 01:08 PM
Response to Original message
16. The follow up quistion: Why is anyone surprised that so many people don't bother to vote?
Edited on Fri Jun-10-11 01:09 PM by Tierra_y_Libertad
"History has tried to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians.  Now, to go and stick one at the very head of government couldn’t be wise." Mark Twain
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 06:31 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC