Sooo...for those whose dealbreaker on Weiner is that he fondled/photographed his dick in his office

[Horse with no Name]

Did you or did you not defend the Congressmen that sleep in their offices? Cook in their offices? I just saw someone on another thread that was 100% supportive of this action but upset that Weiner fondled himself in his.

Some think THAT is okay.

Now--let's go somewhere else and I can pretty much guarandamntee that if they deny--they are lying.

If those Congressmen LIVED in their office, then they masturbated WHILE LIVING IN THEIR OFFICE...then what is the fucking difference???? That's healthy...it is NORMAL and I don't give a damned about that either (although using their office as a flophouse disturbs me).

[LiberalLoner]

1. Amen X a million!!! K&R n/t

[DJ13]

2. Boehner with a boner

[LuvNewcastle]

3. I might be a little concerned if

he was fondling himself in other peoples' offices.

[butterfly77]

4. Some can't handle the truth...

so they are unrecommending.

[Booster]

5. None of what you list concerns me, but I am concerned that he

used such bad judgement to tweet this shit - that's just plain stupid.

[alpizzy]

6. I agree...

reckless stupidity is the problem. When someone is gunning for you don't
hand them ammo.

[aquart]

19. Risky behavior.

It's a side effect of having the guts to stand up and make yourself a target.

A rep who does not ever engage in risky behavior and is always careful and cautious will NOT have that voting record.

The Republicans know that. That's why they know what to look for.

[WeekendWarrior]

7. That's NOT the deal breaker

I couldn't care less what he did/does in his office as long as he's getting work done, too.

The deal breaker is that he he made up a lie to cover his tracks when he was caught and went on a publicity tour to do it. This, to my mind, makes him a phony.

Which is a shame, because I really used to like the guy. I was SURE he'd been hacked, like he told us he had.

Turns out he's just another lying politician. And what OTHER lying politicians may do in their offices, is irrelevant.

[aquart]

11. OMG, a politician is a phony! Except for his real voting record.

You have real brass balls to call a man with those votes a "phony."

I don't care if his dick hangs out of his pants if he continues to vote like that. NOR SHOULD YOU.

EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO LIE ABOUT SEX.

[Kaleva]

12. Putting it in all caps doesn't make the statement true.

[Maru Kitteh]

16. +1

[aquart]

20. That's right.

As long as people like you believe that you have the right to every personal detail of someone else's private life, private FANTASY life, we have no rights at all.

[Kaleva]

52. As Nancy Pelosi has called for an investigation into possible ethics violations...

it is now a public matter and no amount of wishful thinking can put back the genie back in the bottle. I believe Rep. Weiner would have wished this had not come out but it is also my opinion that he didn't make much of an effort to safeguard his privacy.

[CreekDog]

55. she's appointing Reagan's Commission on Pornography to investigate

i guess that job is its own reward. :eyes:

[mittysmom09]

66. I heard

it was Senator Vitters committee.

[WeekendWarrior]

57. I couldn't care less about his private life. What I care

about is that he didn't have the balls to get up and say, "You know what, I tweeted that shit and accidentally made it public and I regret that that happened, but, honestly it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS what I do in my private life."

Instead he goes on a media turn to tell everyone he was hacked.

The sex part of this is just a distraction. It's the fact that he wasn't man enough to tell everyone to fuck off and had to come up with an elaborate lie, instead, putting all of his supporters in the position of defending a liar.

[Bluenorthwest]

14. Members of a majority which oppresses a minority on the basis

of sexuality most certainly do not have the right to lie about their precious sex lives. Those lies do harm to others. I am as sick of this lie: "Straight Marriage is a Sacred Bond" as I am of the notion that the same creeps who go on and on about the superior nature of their sexuality are also permitted to lie to keep secret the fact that their own sex lives are not the 'Sacraments' they claim. The President of the United States says that straight marrieds have a 'spiritual element' that gay relationships lack. Is that not lie enough for you? No one makes these people claim to be that which they are not. They do so to gain advantage. Have that cake and eat it too.
I'll make you a deal. Get the straight community to stop lying about others, and then they can freely lie about themselves. As it stands, each lie they tell about their own closeted lives is another slam against the rights of others. They want to claim to be superior in their sexual lives, let them then live it. They get to pick one. Slandering others or protecting their own lies, they can not be allowed to do both.

[aquart]

22. You do know Weiner supports gay marriage, right?

[FLyellowdog]

13. 1000% agree.

Do whatever the hell you want to do, but if it turns out to be something that shouldn't be made public but is, the least you can do is own up to it. There's something to be said for immediately going on camera, admitting that you did some things that were hurtful to your family and an embarrassment to your friends, and saying for that you apologize. Stating that you will seek to work things out with your family and friends and will try to be a better Congressman for your country is so much better than denying your failures and lying about the whole mess. Man up, for goodness' sake.

Hell, look at the televangelists who let their halos slip, asked for forgiveness, and went right on making money for gawd. Not to mention the many other politicians who have gone this direction.

Did we learn nothing from Clinton's problem? And he's still a respected member of society.

Geez...lu-eeze.

[RB TexLa]

58. He lied to people who were wanting to know something that is none of their business

[kctim]

8. Fail

The lying and attempt to cover-up was the dealbreaker.

[aquart]

30. You mean like Bill Clinton did?

How cowardly and Republican-like. There was no crime, so you try to make concealment of NO CRIME a crime.

Disgusting.

Pity you don't have the guts to demand an investigation of Breitbart and his allies for stalking and political blackmail.

It's some gymnastic feat, gazing at Weiner's dick while kissing Breitbart's ass.

[kctim]

56. Sad

ANY politician who knowingly lies and attempts to cover-up what they have done is not qualified to represent We the People. Doesn't matter if it was a crime or not, a lie is a lie and trying to deceive We the People by covering it up can not be justified.

I do not care if you investigate Breitbart or not so have at it. I am more concerned about a sitting member of Congress lying and covering up than I am of some hack.

The ONLY "gymnastic feat" going on is in trying to make this about anybody but Weiner.

[dflprincess]

59. How many politicians haven't knowingly lied to the public?

Pelosi wants an ethics investigation into Weiner being stupid but when it came to Bush lying us into a war impeachment was "off the table". At least Weiner's lie didn't get anyone killed.

[kctim]

61. Don't know

but every single one who has does not deserve to be in office. But thats just me, I believe politicians should be held to a higher standard and I do NOT like to be lied to. I also do not make excuses based on political beliefs.

[dflprincess]

62. By your standards, I'd guess there aren't many politicians who deserve to be in office

or very many people who should even consider running.

I do not make excuses based on political beliefs but I will make a distinction based on who is hurt by the lie(s). Weiner didn't hurt anyone but himself and those close to him in his personal life. The lies Bush and Cheney told were a whole different matter - as was the lie Candidate Obama told when he said he opposed mandates to buy private health insurance (for many of us, that was a big distinction between him and Clinton). He also told us that any bill he signed "had to have a public option" when he knew he had bargained any real healthcare reform away in closed door deals with pharma and the big insurers.

I also object to the hypocrites like Pelosi who think Weiner should be investigated but liars that hurt the country and its citizens should get a pass.

[aquart]

9. In his office? WHO HASN'T?

But will all straight men PLEASE play last night's The Daily Show? The young woman he had on to explain that women do not find those things pretty was telling the truth. Take it to heart. Those shots are for your guy friends. Or for your memory album.

If we can see it, it is not doing us any good.

Please keep that in mind for all your future endeavors.

[Horse with no Name]

10. Good thing I am not in Congress

I'd hate to have to admit what I did in the supply closet with a good looking guy I worked with...:evilgrin:

[aquart]

17. Or while an important client was on hold.

Things happen.

[renate]

46. just watched it--that was really funny!

It's the middle segment here:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/tue-june-7-2011-fareed-zakaria

I also enjoyed your "...women do not find those things pretty." :rofl:

[Sky Masterson]

15. I think all congress-critters should masturbate in their offices.

I don't want high strung stress ridden people making important decisions. I want calm, relaxed,happy and sated people making important decisions.
IMHO anyone who never masturbates has greater problems then those who do.

[aquart]

18. Which is why I feel that sex in the Oval Office should be a requirement of office.

It used to be part of the ritual of assuming leadership of tribes, kingdoms...it was an important assurance. No idea why we got so prissy that we eliminated it. Ancient people used to think sex was a GOOD thing. Then, one day, they didn't. It's all been downhill from there.

[Sky Masterson]

23. THANK YOU!

I'd take Kennedy/Clinton over Reagan/Bush any day

[aquart]

24. I prefer my leader to screw his mistress than my country.

Always.

[ecstatic]

21. I don't care either way, but are you serious?

Did you really write this with a straight face?

[aquart]

25. Well, I am.

As for Bill Clinton, I thought they should have put out word so we could volunteer to do our patriotic duty.

This squirminess over sex is just so........anti-natural.

[LiberalLoner]

29. What, are you saying the Junior Anti-Sex League is not the height of

patriotism and pleasing in the extreme to Jeebus? LOL!

[ecstatic]

50. "squirminess over sex." Wrong! Squirminess over stupidity

If you're going to send naked pics of yourself to random people online, do so anonymously--ESPECIALLY if you are a sitting United States congressman. :eyes:

[LiberalLoner]

51. There is a level of self-destructive risk-taking there, for sure.

[cali]

26. whoa. what a mess of a post.

[Horse with no Name]

27. Not really.

Some think it is okay for Congressmen to LIVE in their office...yet find it offensive that he touched himself in his.

I find that very hypocritical...

[LiberalLoner]

31. Hmmm...wonder if the congresscritters bring their own masturbation socks from home?

Wonder if they have their aides do their laundry?

[Horse with no Name]

32. I'd hate to have "lovesock" detail

:hide:

[LiberalLoner]

49. Not as bad as having "fluffer" detail.

[aquart]

45. Socks. Never thought of it. But it makes perfect sense.

Learn something new every day.

[DevonRex]

28. Now cooking = sending erect penis pics to young girls?

[aquart]

33. That's so cute. You meant adult women of full age, didn't you?

Legally allowed to marry of their own free will and without permission from their menfolk?

Now why an adult woman would keep such a picture is a whole other question and that I would like to hear her answer.

Since only the Republicans have an interest in trying to make Weiner a child molester, I would have to ask why you are trying to do that? It isn't a crime to send pictures to a woman who is engaging in sex talk with you. But it is a crime to do it with a child. So why are you trying to imply Weiner was sending pictures to children?

[DevonRex]

36. Wiener himself said he couldn't say that they were all adults.

In this case you must assume that some could even be kids.

[aquart]

43. "MUST ASSUME"?

Let's see: You can't or won't spell his name correctly and you want to ASSUME on no evidence whatsoever that he was molesting children.

So EVERY MAN who speaks to a woman he can't see is a child molester?

Or only the Democrats?

[donheld]

53. Oh please

[dionysus]

64. now you leave that sleazy man alone!!1!! he's just like the innocent bebe jesus all wrapped in

swaddling clothes...

:rofl:

[EFerrari]

34. What "young girls"? Do you have a link or are you calling college women "girls"?

[DevonRex]

37. If a man sending penis pics can't verify the recipients are adults, there's a problem.

[EFerrari]

39. By the same logic, you need to verify my age before posting the word "penis".

[DevonRex]

40. ROFL. That was truly lame.

[EFerrari]

41. Lame is describing adult women as "girls" and moving the goal posts

to some thought crime. That is lame.

[dionysus]

65. a weak and desperate attempt to defend sleazebaggery.

[Horse with no Name]

35. They were sleeping, eating, jacking off

that is what normal guys do...eh?

If you deny that fact, then YOU are a liar.

How often do you masturbate??? Can you tell me without lying? Or...will you just ignore my request for information.

It is OFFENSIVE to be asked about your sex life. IF you are NOT BREAKING THE LAW--it is NOBODY'S business WHAT you do with your private parts, WHERE you put them, or HOW you present them or to WHOM.

Nobody should even ASK about it.

That is what is so damned offensive...not the fact that he lied about it.

[LiberalLoner]

42. I agree. There are some things that are private and we should respect

that.

[lbrtbell]

38. For those who completely miss the point about why people are upset

(Like you, OP....)

What's upsetting is that he set himself up to be taken down, right when we need him most.

What's upsetting is that his stupidity is making headlines (as if he didn't know this would happen), when we need to be talking about Social Security, Medicare, and all the other important issues.

What's upsetting is that, instead of just admitting what he did in the first place, he lied to his supporters by claiming he was hacked.

I don't give a damn if a Congressman masturbates in his office 10 times a day. But he betrayed the ENTIRE COUNTRY, by doing something so stupid, at a time when he knew people were itching to bring him down. He acted like a 15-year-old denizen of 4chan, soliciting and sharing photos to "j*** off to" (his own words, from the Facebook transcript)...then, upon getting caught with the goods, came up with a lame excuse (like the 15-year-old saying, "I didn't download that stuff, my computer was hacked!").

That is not "normal" nor excusable behavior for an adult. Download porn and share it with your wife. Exchange pictures and talk dirty with your wife. It will spice up your marriage without any risk to your career.

But when Anthony Wiener did something this damned idiotic, at a time when insane teabaggers are slithering throughout the halls of Congress...THAT'S why people are upset.

ON EDIT: I find it hilariously ironic that the dick pics don't offend you, yet you find it disturbing that Congressmen sometimes live in their offices. What's wrong with somebody wanting to be comfortable while they're spending large amounts of time doing their job?

[aquart]

44. Not in his district, are you?

[Horse with no Name]

48. No. This country was BETRAYED by a shyster who stalked this man

and then played a GOTCHA on him by asking him a personal question about his sexual fetishes.

I don't care about the sex habits of adults. I just don't.

He does his job in Washington. That is what I care about.

We should ALL care about sleezy creepy douchebags like Breitbart stalking our personal lives...hiding cameras in our sheets just so he can ask a question he KNOWS we will lie about.

THAT is what is offensive.

Not embarrassing a member of Congress to the point of resignation.

Anyone that gives Breitbart a platform and creds over this incident WANTED to legitimize him. To those of us who believe in privacy and a person's right to dictate their own sexuality...without it being put on a public platform, won't. Now or ever.

[marions ghost]

47. It's exhibitionism, which is different

from just doing whatever you want in your own home. If this were 20 years ago he would be exposing himself in the back of the office to young women (Clarence Thomas comes to mind). So it's not a real healthy outlet. But I also think he should not be tarred and feathered for it. It's a compulsion and likely a deeply rooted one, that he cannot get control over. Weiner needs treatment and if he can be truthful about it all, maybe the voters would come back to him. He certainly has nothing to lose by going that route. It is the only way to effectively deal with what's happened.

Weiner fits the profile of the compulsive exhibitionist, unable to stop himself even when risking his career & marriage. Compulsive behavior may be organic in part. Although he knows intellectually it was beyond stupid to give fodder to his enemies, he couldn't stop himself. This is how serious this problem can be. It is sex addiction and he may have deluded himself that this was "safer" than an actual affair. On the 4-point scale briefly defined at this link, I would say his case is severe.

http://www.minddisorders.com/Del-Fi/Exhibitionism.html

From the link:

"Description: Exhibitionism is described in the DSM-IV-TR as the exposure of one's genitals to a stranger, usually with no intention of further sexual activity with the other person. For this reason, the term exhibitionism is sometimes grouped together with expression, "voyeurism," ("peeping," or watching an unsuspecting person or people, usually strangers, undressing or engaging in sexual activity) as a "hands-off" paraphilia. This contrasts with the "hands-on disorders" which involve physical contact with other persons.

In some cases, the exhibitionist masturbates while exposing himself (or while fantasizing that he is exposing himself) to the other person. Some exhibitionists are aware of a conscious desire to shock or upset their target; while others fantasize that the target will become sexually aroused by their display."

[CreekDog]

54. Congressmen?

i'll bet most of them do it in front of a mirror. :puke:

:rofl:

[fujiyama]

60. I honestly gotta question the guy's judgment and intelligence

because it was so fucking stupid and makes so little sense.

I mean c'mon - it's twitter for God's sake. When it's out there, it's out there. And a hack? Maybe, but any investigation can make it pretty clear whether it was or not. His behavior immediately following it was so odd. I mean, if I had my computer hacked and I'm a politician I'd want investigators all over that thing - I'd have capital police, FBI, IT services, whoever looking into it. I wouldn't immediately be lawyering up. It was obvious he was acting strange from the start. I think I would have a little more respect, if he just said "look I fucked up. I sent those pics", rather than making up some stupid phony story and making his supporters and defenders look like a bunch of fools.

But regardless, you're an outspoken liberal congressman and you don't expect conservatives to not monitor every tweet?

Maybe politicians should avoid the whole social networking thing if they don't realize that what's out there is out there for everyone to see at all times. There is no memory hole. There is no delete. Every word is scrutinized. How about this? If you're going to use twitter and facebook, be smart about it and don't open yourself to crap like this. Don't tweet dick pics. Better yet, how about not taking dick pics? Unless its for your wife or girlfriend, or you need an immediate medical question answered from your doctor (well, in that case I'd recommend going to get a check up). And in that case, I'd recommend using personal property for that - not your employer's computer...

The point is...how stupid can you get? I figured the Clinton saga would have taught politicians about this kind of thing. I'm particularly frustrated with Weiner, because I think this hurts what looked like a very promising career. I still hope he weathers this, but I'm concerned about the usage of WORK property for this (I think most of us would get fired for using company property for this kind of activity) - as well as allegations (unproven as they are) that some of the girls were minors.

[dionysus]

63. by now i just find this desperate defense of sleaze hillarious... i can smell the flop sweat.

[Capitalocracy]

67. And I guess Bill Clinton should've quit too. nt

[lynne]

68. Can't believe how people are sooooo reaching to excuse his behavior -

- and who cares if they sleep in their office or pull their pud in their office?? He tweeted his prick and made is accessible to the general public. To numerous women. That's HUGELY different from pulling his pud in the privacy of his office.

No matter how people try to qualify and reason and excuse away his actions, they were reckless, inappropriate and just too stupid.

[hamsterjill]

69. But he lied publicly.

That's it for me, at least. For me, personally. When asked about the picture - he lied to cover up his actions. He didn't say, "it's none of your business". He said his account had been hacked. He said this knowing full well that he was lying when he said it.

I'm not sure that I think he should resign. I think that, ultimately, he will step down. It's only a matter of time. Whether that's right or wrong, I'm not sure.

I do know, too, that if he were fondling himself in his office, that I have no problem with that. But his act of sending a picture of himself (fondled) to another woman is a violation of a promise that he made to his wife to be faithful. Involving another woman is different than standing in his office fondling himself alone IMHO.

He's certainly not the first politician to be caught in a scandal like this, and he won't be the last. But I think the defense of "everyone else is doing it" is a lousy one.