palin: I didn't mess up Paul Revere history

[spanone]

stupid mixed with arrogance is real stupid

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WASHINGTON — Sarah Palin insisted Sunday that history was on her side when she claimed that Paul Revere's famous Massachusetts ride was intended to warn both British soldiers and his fellow colonists.

"You realize that you messed up about Paul Revere, don't you?" "Fox News Sunday" anchor Chris Wallace asked the potential 2012 presidential candidate.

"I didn't mess up about Paul Revere," replied Palin, a paid contributor to the network.

"Part of his ride was to warn the British that were already there. That, hey, you're not going to succeed. You're not going to take American arms. You are not going to beat our own well-armed persons, individual, private militia that we have," she added. "He did warn the British."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43285196/ns/politics/

[Octafish]

1. That's a rather odd way of looking at it.

PS: Recc'd and the counter stayed at "zero."

What kind of people follow stupidity?

[UTUSN]

2. I got it up to "1" (for now) for you, mon frere!1 n/t

[Octafish]

7. Merci beaucoup, Amiral!

Incroyable!

The evidence is clear that many who purport themselves to be Democrats, in reality, are stooges for Sarah "Skipped the Learnin'" Palin.

Never any doubt about where you stand, UTUSN.

[girl gone mad]

39. Most likely it is just someone who is tired of seeing endless articles about this twit.

I recced it, but I do understand the desire to unrec any and all Palin threads.

[spanone]

26. she has her fans

[proud2BlibKansan]

3. One if by land, two if by sea and three if the British are following me.

She obviously never studied Longfellow. :)

[senseandsensibility]

4. I find the term "messed up" in the question and the answer

emblematic of the dumbing down of journalism and politics. My second grade students would get marked down for using that term in a writing assignment, and they are almost all English language learners. Pathetic.

[hfojvt]

20. it should have been "fucked up", right?

Screwed up?

I ain't getting nothing here, teach.

[senseandsensibility]

25. LOL

Thanks for lightening the mood.

[hfojvt]

38. seriously though, how else would you say it?

I like to think I know more, even about grammer, than a 2nd grader, even though my ACT score in Englisch was only 25 and perhaps 21 years of factory work does lead to a degree of contamination in ways of talking, and posting on discussion boards makes you forget about punctuation and just write run-on sentances. (dang, too bad their ain't a smiley for "fingers on the chalkboard" I guess there is this :evilgrin:) Still, if 'messed up' is messed up by being too colloguial, how else would you say it? "Made a serious error in regard to"? That seems kinda clumsy.

[senseandsensibility]

41. Chris Wallace is an extremely highly paid journalist.

He is supposedly among the best in the world at posing questions. His English skills should be at least at the middle school level, IMHO. I realize that, in reality, he is not the best in the world at posing questions, speaking, or anything else, but he is paid as though he is. He probably doesn't even write his own questions. However, his assistant could have formulated the question in any number of ways that sounded better. How about, "You realize that your comment about Paul Revere warning the British was incorrect?" or "Your realize your comments about Paul Revere are being criticized?" or "Do you stand by your comment that Paul Revere was warning the British despite all the criticism you've received?" It's really not that hard. As for Palin, I have less than zero expectations for her, and of course she just repeated Wallace's phrasing.

[spanone]

43. 'messed up' is a very forgiving way of giving her a kind way out as faux would

she was too arrogant/ignorant to admit her 'mess up'

[Control-Z]

57. Exactly!

That is the way I might joke lovingly with one of my children who had made a clumsy mistake. Something they could, and would, appreciate.

Sarah is very much like a child, though, not a bright one.

[hfojvt]

44. trouble is that those questions are limiting

The Paul Revere statement was messed up in more ways than one. And to say that the comments are being criticized leaves out the essential point of "and rightly so" that "you messed up" conveys. This one might "Do you stand by your comment that Paul Revere was warning the British despite all the criticism you've received?" if it was more general. Like so

"Do you stand by your comments on Paul Revere despite all the criticisms you've received?"

But it also does not convey the message, which is perhaps not proper journalism, "that I, Chris Wallace, also think those criticisms are valid."

His dad woulda just said something like "Oh come on. You don't really believe what you said about Paul Revere, do you?" Wallace gave her a big fat softball of a chance to say "Yes, of course I am smarter than that, I just mis-spoke. Mea culpa."

But being a Republican politician means never having to say you are sorry. And attacking her as an idiot just makes her stronger, because the average voter can sympathize with somebody who is being attacked for not "knowing much about history" or "knowing much biology". Many voters would still like to have several beers with her, because they would know that she would not make them feel stupid if they hung out with her. Obama, OTOH, always seems like he is given a lecture when he speaks, rather than making conversation.

[Buns_of_Fire]

5. Yes, she did. She left out Tonto. nt

[HysteryDiagnosis]

6. And a glaring disregard for Poland as well. n/t

[pipi_k]

8. Not to mention the Giant Alaskan Salmon he rode through the streets of Boston n/t

[sarge43]

22. She also left out he was warning the Germans not to bomb Pearl Harbor. n/t

[Urban Prairie]

9. The ditz was dog whistling to her teabagger supporters

with "her" interpretation of Revere's ride, IMO.

In effect that they will soon take back their "Judeo-Christian Conservative Capitalist Country" from the evil, godless, tax-sucking socialists in DC by armed force if necessary. She is the 21st century version equivalent of Revere, in her mind(less) by her bus tour as well as by tweeting and making speeches.

[Marnie]

24. You are of course correct but

surely even they realize that she looks foolish and clumsy doing it.

The whole point of the dog whistle or coded message is that non dogs can't hear it.

Sarah is too stupid to think of a way to earn her NRA check and not look pathetically stupid at the same time.
She wouldn't have lasted 24 hours in the French Resistance. She would have coded her secret messages by translating them into German.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

27. They don't realize it, and they will defend her to the end.

Sarah is never wrong and Sarah never apologizes. For whatever their reasons, they are attracted to that, whereas the rest of us are repelled by it. They watch FUX because it reaffirms their world view, and if Granny Grizzly wants to re-write history, they will embrace that re-written history as gospel. I'm seeing it more and more with co-workers and neighbors, and I live in a supposedly "blue" area of North Carolina.

Stupid and arrogant is a dangerous mix.

[Ichingcarpenter]

10. The Yahoo newslink tells the same story but adds this

The Paul Revere House's website
says that on April 18, 1775,
Dr. Joseph Warren instructed Revere
to ride to Lexington, Mass.,
to warn Samuel Adams and John Hancock
that British troops were marching to arrest them.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110605/ap_on_el_ge/us_palin;_ylt=At6SLU89ed5110Lx4A_SrkOs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNjdWV2bzkyBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTEwNjA1L3VzX3BhbGluBGNjb2RlA21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb3MDNARwb3MDMQRwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX2hlYWRsaW5lX2xpc3QEc2xrA3BhbGluaWRpZG50bQ--

[KharmaTrain]

11. Perception Is All That Matters...Doubles Down On The Stupid

I've been amused at how the Palinstas out there have tried to find some kind of facts in that constipated word salad she spewed and now she's gotta claim she knew what she was saying even though it's obvious from the tape she's as clueless as the day is long.

Doesn't matter what she says now, she let loose a classic bit of comedy gold that will be churned for days ahead. This one joins, "Refudiate" and "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America..." as classics on the Dan Quayle scale. Actually she's surpassed him and continues to add to her "legacy".

[Condem]

12. I find it very disturbing about this country...

..that someone this ignorant can make it this high up the political food chain.

[Gregorian]

15. I'm in a state of disbelief that this isn't the Onion.

My thought on this is that this isn't new. But what is new is communications on the level we have now. Groups of people are identifying and concentrating into blocks that seem important.

But then that doesn't address your point. I don't think there were too many Palins in our history. I'm at a loss. Are we really this pathetic in this country? Because she isn't going over anywhere else.

[malaise]

13. When you don't know what you don't know

you really don't know. She is one unbelievably stupid woman.

[JAnthony]

46. Actually, there is a well-know psychological term for that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

"The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled people make poor decisions and reach erroneous conclusions, but their incompetence "

[blogslut]

14. In the words of the ancient poet, Keithus Olbermannicus:

"That woman is an idiot."

[formercia]

16. Now, Palin can honestly say to the Teabaggers

"I'm just like you."

"Don't Tread on Me" only works if you don't lie down in the middle of the Road.

[rurallib]

17. Amazed that she left out the part where Jesus rode along side

baptizing the Indians.

[lunatica]

21. Jesus walked next to him but carried him over the rough spots

Him and his horse, of course, of course.

[kath]

18. LOVED this comment at the MSNBC link: "That's what she thinks the Revolutionary War was about,

someone trying to take away our guns... whereas in reality it was, of course, actually about those abortions the redcoats forced upon our women".

[SmileyRose]

34. LOL

Best comment on the subject!

[MrScorpio]

19. This woman is incapable of stopping her digging, whenever she's in a hole

She's like a train that keeps on rolling, even whenever a wreck takes it off the tracks.

[Iggo]

29. I know.

I watched that video of her millionth public run-on sentence, this time explaining how she didn't fuck it up.

I yelled out loud at my computer screen, "Just shut up! What's wrong with you? Stop talking!"

[TahitiNut]

30. It's really simple. She feeds on the attention ... ANY kind of attention.

As long as it's ABOUT HER ... she wallows in it. She's developmentally arrested at the junior high school level ... when her boobs attracted the attention of the boobs. She's a "Heather." She's a prick teaser. She emulates a B-grade soft porn actress ... type-cast as the librarian seductress. She's a parody of herself and a symptom of widespread narcissism and emotional immaturity. For emotionally healthy and mature folk, she's emblematic of a horror.

[RagAss]

23. Queen of the Cretins !

[spanone]

28. here's the video of her making up this stupid shit on faux

it was a 'shout out gotcha kinda question, i know my american history'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGSIP-j0PGY

[SmileyRose]

36. Can I just say

That voice makes me want to listen to the soothing sounds of fingernails on a chalkboard.

[spanone]

40. it's the voice of sheer ignorance

[Maru Kitteh]

55. a 'shout out gotcha kinda question, i know my american history'

OMG. She actually said that... :wow:

[pokerfan]

31. Now the Palinistas are trying to edit Wikipedia

to bring it more in line with their idiot leader.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/38678_Palin_Fans_Trying_to_Edit_Wikipedia_Paul_Revere_Page

[Urban Prairie]

35. O.M.G.!!

Write an online/Kindle 'Murcan history book, Scarah, I would likely browse through it once and a while, just so that I could give myself a good WTF?!? scalp massage.

[Marr]

32. And the bells?

"...he who warned the British that they weren't gonna be takin' away our arms by ringin' those bells and makin' sure he's ridin' his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were gonna be secure and we were gonna be free and we were gonna be armed."

[spanone]

37. the british were trying to take away our second amendment

which of course hadn't been written yet, but hey, facts truly don't matter

[Hamlette]

33. They (we) were ALL British you twit. Revere did not say, let alone shout, The British are coming.

All of the colonists considered themselves to be British in 1975...before independence. Duh.

and the ride was completely on the QT. There was no screaming or bells or shots. Revere was on his way to warn Hamilton and Adams in Lexington (then on to Concord, the part of "the ride" Revere did not make having been stopped by the British troops, he went back to Hamilton's to help him to safety) that the army was on its way "by sea" (actually, over the Charles River.) The poem you all know by heart was never intended to be factual and it is no.

(He did "whisper" to several known allies on his way that the "Regulars", army troops, were coming, and yes, those known allies were British too so in a sense, if she really knew her history, she could have said Revere did warn the British because the colonists WERE all British, even the revolutionaries. A better defense in my opinion but he did not knowing warn "the British that were already there" that they were not going to succeed as he was only warning "the British" who were on the side of the revolutionaries.)

Of course, you knew this is what she would say. She is never wrong. She is always right about everything which is why the GOP is so busy rewriting history. They have to be right and it all has to be cause of GOP values and Jeebus. Every good thing that is. the rest? Evil liberals.

[TorchTheWitch]

49. he was to warn Adams and Hancock in Lexington

not Adams and Hamilton.

http://paulreverehouse.org/ride/real.html

You're absolutely right that the ride and similar ones were to be secret (which was why they used the lantern system of warning... they wanted no sound that the Regulars could pick up on concerning what they were doing). Revere only raised the alarm along his ride to Lexington by going house to house of the revolutionaries to further keep the whole thing secret.

Where Palin is still wrong is that she's trying to convey that Revere's ride was in part to warn "the enemy" (whatever she choses to call them) apparently in her mind as a warning to not "mess with" the revolutionaries. This is certainly not true since the whole purpose of these rides and warning system was to keep it all secret from "the enemy" (essentially the Regulars and their sympathizers). Whether she considers "the British" to be revolutionaries or not is immaterial... clearly her explanation refers to Revere's purpose (in part) being to warn "the enemy" (whatever she choses to call them) and he did so with bells/shouting/gun shots all of which is woefully wrong.

So, she failed in the initial story and further failed with her ridiculous explanation... including the bit about the "well armed" revolutionaries (which she laughingly calls Americans). The revolutionaries were horribly equipped with precious few militia having a gun at all and many who where lucky enough to possess one usually had no ammunition for it. The dismal lack of arms and ammunition among the revolutionaries very nearly collapsed the whole cause at the start. This is actually one of the biggest reasons to admire the revolutionaries... despite the woeful lack of arms, ammunition and training they didn't give up or back down and eventually even succeeded.

[Hamlette]

53. oh...shoot, my bad

Hancock...I misremembered. Duh me.

[TorchTheWitch]

56. Hey, you were very close - I only know it was Hancock because

I was checking out the Paul Revere House website anyway when I was looking for some more info about the dentistry he did. My own memory of who he was going to Lexington to warn is a hell of a lot more hazy than yours... probably Adams and one or more other high up revolutionary person/s. I only just know it was Hancock because I had been checking out that website before and got all sidetracked about the whole dentistry thing that was what I landed on that website for in the first place (this is why it takes me most of a day to find out something specific about anything... I get so easily sidetracked by other interesting things).

I guess the real point to all this is that though people may not recall all the details and names at least they know what the ride was about and that the whole thing was meant to be secret from "the enemy" (hence the warning system with the lanterns). Except for Palin, that is... she probably had to be told generally about Revere's ride and that he wasn't just the dude with the funny hat depicted on her pots and pans.

[On the Road]

42. How Hard Would it Have Been to Say

"Of course Paul Revere didn't warn the British. I meant to say that he was spreading warning ABOUT the British."

It would have been over immediately. People misspeak and substitute words all the time. Defending it, however, really does make her look ignorant.

[sakabatou]

45. The stupid it BURNS!

[hedgehog]

47. I don't think she mis-spoke at all - she really does think that Paul Revere's

ride was about the 2nd Amendment!

[Drew Richards]

48. Here is Palins "reference Material" for her quote

Guys here is the deal...Palin Doesn't read...
Everything she knows about paul revere she is quoting from her 5th grade movie she watched in school...Johnny Tremane...check it out...dead on

[lpbk2713]

50. I just Googled "Palin + Wrong"

And I got just short of 34 Million hits. :rofl:

What an idiot.


Edit:

Just to see how that figure would compare with some
of the other GOP wannabees I did the same for ...


Gingrich ..... 6 Million
Romney ....... 11 Million
Pawlenty ..... 1.7 Million
Ron Paul ..... 18 Million

She leads the pack by a large margin. :rofl:

[Urban Prairie]

52. Yep...even Bachmann: 7.2 million hits, thought that she would be well into the double digits, too.

Bachmann+crazy: ~3.8 million

[Raine]

51. It was obvious to anyone with eyes and ears that Palin didn't have a clue

as to what Paul Revere did and how he did it. :silly: Palin darted her eyes around (as if looking for the answer) garbled her words (more than usual) and MADE IT ALL UP as she went along, duh!

[lumberjack_jeff]

54. I always thought his ride had some ambiguous relationship to socialized death panels, or something.