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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 01:41 PM
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So my cab driver is playing Rush Limbaugh on the radio...
Edited on Tue May-31-11 01:43 PM by KeepItReal
I am actually able to withstand about 45 seconds of Rush before I ask the driver to please change the station or just turn the radio off. He obliges and turns Rush off.

To see where his head is at, I state "I can't stand that guy." At which point I can see him get visibly bothered and he hurriedly asks me to have a conversation with him man-to-man. I'm like "sure!" but get interrupted by an incoming phone call. After I finish my call, I turn my attention back to the driver so we can engage in conversation.

He immediately launches into how bad President Obama is, how people today are asking for handouts, how Bill Clinton was a pervert, and Al Gore was just terrible (on that one, I was like "What did Al Gore ever do?"). His main thrust was that we are paying excessive taxes and people today should be on a "I gotta do for myself" kick instead of just asking for handouts.

As we drove to my place. I asked him some questions on this do-for-yourself philosophy like "you must think that we should pay for our own Police and fire protection, then? And if your neighbor can't afford it, his house should just burn down." His only response: "You're putting words into my mouth!".

He was incredulous as to the concept of nationalized health care that other prosperous countries have and thinks that if you need care you can always just go to the emergency room like he did. I told him the point of doctors was to give PREVENTATIVE CARE so you can make sure you are healthy before it's too late and you end up in the emergency room - and that's what a lot of people cannot afford. I also told him those preventable Emergency room visits are what makes health care so un-affordable.

I continued by saying "I pay taxes to have this road we're on and so do you." He says "I mean *excessive* taxation". I told him we are paying some of the lowest taxes in decades and that we have been getting tax cuts for the last 10 years. He's got no answer to that and tries to shift to the price of gas as if that is a product of high taxes. I told him gas prices are high because it is a commodity and is traded like stocks. He tries to blame Obama's oil drilling moratorium for high gas prices. I told him that moratorium was there to fix safety issues that f*cked up my home state of Louisiana and that we IMPORT most of our oil anyway.

He was saying Obama was a disaster, so I asked him "well what about Obama taking out Bin Laden?" It was as if he was upset that it had happened. I was like "so you will not give Obama any credit for killing Bin Laden?" The most he was say was that "George Bush put those pieces in place." I said "Bush had like SEVEN YEARS to get Bin Laden and he pulled our best troops (like the Army Rangers) out of Afghanistan to go to Iraq!" I told him we have been fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq longer than World War II. He had no response.

I stunned him when I actually agreed with him that Obama's economic team sucked. Although his reason was that Obama did all the bailouts - of course I corrected him that they actually started under Bush. He said Obama's guys were worse than Bush, I also corrected him that a lot of Obama's guys are just like Bush's team. He seemed to have amnesia about the Bush years. I brought out the point that George W. started out with big surpluses and by the time he was gone Obama inherited huge deficits. I told him how Bush didn't account for the wars in the budget and how Obama actually does that now. And he still attacked Obama for being horrible for the economy.

I asked him about the fact that they want to raise the age for Social Security and he basically dissed the whole program as if it was optional and that you should make enough money to support yourself and don't count on the government to be there. I told him SS was a promise between you and the government - you pay into it all your life and when you reach 65 you get that investment back. He said SS was broke, and I said no it's not and remember when Al Gore promised to protect the SS trust fund so no one could misuse its funds for other spending?

I did offer him a "well done" compliment when he told me he educated his daughter on how to invest in property so she could become a success. I said a lot of folks don't have that kind of good guidance and it takes generations to climb up economically like my family as descendants of slaves did. He thinks that everyone has the ability to pull themselves out of bad situations and make something of themselves. He gave examples of Bill Gates and Donald Trump as successes and I told him " you do realize that Gates' family had money and connections and Donald Trump inherited millions, so his bootstraps came with boots that had millions of dollars in them already." Again he seemed to not know that.

Ultimately l learned that this guy - although passionate in his beliefs (selfish as they may be) - had little grasp of the facts and had either blocked out the history of the last eleven years, or is being daily misinformed by folks like Rush about it.

As we got to my place, I told him I thought Rush was funny a long time ago (I used to listen in '95), but now he is just a hypocrite. How can someone that advocated locking up all drug users be a big time addict himself? He got a little wobbly in his defense so I finished him off with the oxycontin scandal and how Rush almost went to jail for doctor shopping and having his maid score the drugs for him. He tried to get biblical on me with the "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" verse and I countered with "and that's exactly what Rush did that makes him so wrong. " The cabbie had to acknowledge that was true and with that I paid him, shook his hand, said goodbye, and noted the astonishment on the Brotha's face when he realized I'd given him a good tip.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 01:48 PM
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1. He should have paid you for the taxi ride, given the education he received..
Who knows? Maybe you neutralized a decade's worth of brain washing with your answers.
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 01:50 PM
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3. Hopefully I lit a spark in there somewhere
I think he was expecting a real fight. I kept it civil and fact based.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 01:59 PM
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7. Joaquin Andujar's favorite English word was "youneverknow"
You may have planted a seed.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:21 AM
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41. I know the feeling!
I work at Social Security's 800 number. Many of the callers appreciate us, but there are a whole block of Rush Randroids that hate us and especially hate Obama.And they love to shoot their mouths off about how we love to give money away to people who don't deserve it. While they do that, they include a lot of racial slurs and profanity. Gets real frustrating when you hear Fox News or Rush in the background while they're ranting.

Gets the blood pressure rising when you hear them praise Paul Ryan for saving Medicare from "THOSE PEOPLE", and I bet you can guess what they mean by that. And they really have that Ayn As In Mine Rand Selfishness down to a tee. Hey, I've been working for Social Security since 1978 and I have never seen the selfishness run as wild as it does now.

I tell you what I'm really fearing is what will happen if the Republicans force a default and the checks bounce. Oh, I know what those Randroids will do. They will blame it all on Obama.
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 02:34 PM
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20. LOL!
true... true...
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:30 AM
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43. Indeed! And one can only hope that conversation made him think a bit
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 07:35 AM
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48. Or maybe awarded him some CEUs in leiu of cash.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 01:48 PM
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2. You are a better man than me...
to give him a tip.
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 01:54 PM
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He said he was doing a job he loved
I was actually happy to hear that and I told him a lot of people aren't as lucky as us.

I always overtip. Just because he's misinformed, I'm not gonna take it out on him.

I actually enjoyed the debate. It's one of those kinda talks me and him would have had in the barbershop if we'd ever met before.
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 03:16 PM
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27. Class act, KeepItReal. Well done on multiple levels.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 02:29 PM
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15. Same here.
I probably wouldn't have given him a tip either. If he wants to make more money, he should practice what he preaches and find a better-paying job.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 02:29 PM
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16. Giving him a nice tip provided evidence that we on the progressive side are
Edited on Tue May-31-11 02:32 PM by tblue37
not evil, selfish, or unwilling to acknowledge the humanity of those who disagree with us politically.

My guess is that his RW fares don't tip as well, and that can also make a difference in how a person perceives the political landscape.

We need to win people over, not alienate them, and if, as I believe, most of them are wrongheaded not because they are inherently "evil" or "selfish," but because they have been subjected to 30-40 years' worth of pervasive and unrelenting propaganda (and that is exactly what has been going on in this country), then we need to do what we can to counter the effects of that propaganda, not behave in a way that reinforces its memes.

Many of the people in my Sicilian immigrant family are truly wonderful people, but they are also RW Republicans, because they have been effectively propagandized. They happen to be very religious, and their churches are among the most effective propaganda pushers! Furthermore, many of them have served in the US military (for example, my late father was actually at Pearl Harbor when it was bombed!), and the military does tend to indoctrinate them, too.

For example, Rush is constantly on US Armed Forces radio, but progressive voices are banned from USAFR. My sister's son, who did 2 tours in Iraq, is RW because of all the propagandizing, even though it's the RW that has totally screwed over him and other vets like him.

They just don't know, and alienating them rather than informing them is counterproductive.

Sure, some on the RW side are inherent a**holes, but many (perhaps even most) are decent people who have been completely and effectively brainwashed by 24/7 propaganda.

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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 02:32 PM
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19. Wow. I couldn't agree with you more.
:fistbump:
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 02:51 PM
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22. That's what I figured, since your generous tip--and your rational discussion--
showed that your purpose was to win him over, not beat him down for disagreeing with you.

You might like to read one of the articles on my Teacher, Teacher website:

"Don't Get Emotionally Attached to Your Own Opinion"
http://teacherblue.homestead.com/opinion1.html

The follow-up article might be even more germane to your rational actions:

"Don't Get Emotionally Attached to Your Own Opinion: Part II":
http://teacherblue.homestead.com/opinion2.html

In the first article I explain the importance of being rational and objective when discussing complex issues. A reader wrote to say that while all that reasonableness sounded nice, it simply would never work on hot-button issues like gun control or abortion. I told him that those were precisely the issues where rationality was most important, and I wrote the second article to show him what I meant.

Several years earlier, a group of extreme anti-abortion activist came to our university with some very hideous displays likening abortion to lynching and to the Holocaust. While I disagreed with their position, I found the relentlessly reasonable and polite when I discussed the issue with them.

These young (college-aged) people were on the far right end of the abortion debate--rejecting the idea of abortion even in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the mother's health/life, and even in cases in which the mother was a prepubescent girl who had been raped or who was the victim of incest.

They were all very religious, and according to their religious premises, which they believed in wholeheartedly, abortion is murder--literally.

I strongly disagree with them, of course, but they really, really did handle themselves well in the discussions, and if one accepts their premise (which I didn't, but their premise was a religious belief, and those are points that are not normally subject to modification in a true believer), then their stance on abortion was the only possible one.

While these young people presented their case quietly and reasonably, people on the pro-choice side behaved like deranged Yahoos, so much so that I was embarrassed that they agreed with me! One even tried to knock down one of their displays with a truck--and ended up knocking down one of the anti-abortion activists instead! It was just luck that the young man was not seriously injured.

You should read my articles--in fact, "Part II" might be even more interesting to you.




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Shandris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 03:15 PM
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26. Well said.
I wouldn't withhold a tip just because his politics were different so long as he wasn't rude and arrogant about it. That's just (to me) fuel for the 'Limousine Liberal' myth they love to look for.
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oldhippydude Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:36 AM
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44. as a guy who supported himself driving for a few years..


you are absolutely right about the right wingers being lousy tippers.. in fact they are not above outright fruad..as a mater of conscience i would always take the cheapest route..i remember giving an older republican couple a ride to their hotel from a GOP parade.. a 20 dollar fare..thye informed me that it cost them 5 dollars that morning..

if i wasn't already anti republican that would have changed me..entitlement was dripping off them.. i did get the meter amount, no tip!! despite dropping another member off on the way home..
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 01:54 PM
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4. " He seemed to have amnesia about the Bush years."
The prime characteristic of wingnuts around the country.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 01:55 PM
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5. He's totally brainwashed.
I admire your patience and attempt to inform. :yourock:
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 01:58 PM
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6. You could get that way driving around in a car all day with RW talk radio
for company.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 02:20 PM
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12. Absolutely!
It's been an orchestrated campaign throughout the years and the results have paid off. Rush used to be ridiculed but now the GOP bow to him. It's actually quite frightening to witness the influence he's had on so many different regions.
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Shandris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 03:18 PM
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29. If you don't come into it believing that there is a reason to be...
...skeptical, to evaluate each piece of evidence separately -- and this is a skill NOT taught in many schools -- then the odds are heavily against you not being brainwashed. I'm speaking from experience here, these bastards had me pretty well for a good long time because I had grown up that way. Who wants to believe that their parents/grandparents/et al are just as dumb and misinformed as they are? As a child, that's the sort of thing you just don't think of in a setting where you don't get a lot of exposure (small town/rural, in my case).
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 09:10 AM
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55. Even the music stations are RW now that most are owned by Clear Channel or Cox. All the "morning zoo

type shows on Atlanta's rock stations are just RW circle jerks.

College radio is the only reason I even own a terrestrial radio receiver anymore.
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 02:03 PM
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8. Thanks. It was actually refreshing to get into it with a Rush fan.
I rarely get to talk politics with GOP'ers here in SoCal.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 02:12 PM
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10. I can't imagine.
Living in the middle of the bible belt and right-wing territory, I've found that facts don't matter to most of these people. They vote against their best interests and blame liberals for everything wrong in the world. It's extremely frustrating, to say the least.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 02:05 PM
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9. Good for you.
It is rather astounding that when we cannot fathom how the RW can hold the beliefs that they hold, often they themselves find they have no basis whatsoever for their beliefs - that much of what they think is reality is founded on false information.

A few years back, I took the time to talk to the coffee bar barrista near my home. She was spouting off about how awful Social Security is.

I told her, "Look, I don't really care what happens, but if they abolish Social Security, they should at least give me the fifteen percent of my money that I gave the Social Security fund since I was your age." (She is about nineteen.)

Her jaw dropped. "What do you mean, you are saying that you have paid into the Fund?"

She really didn't know anything about that. She had heard via Rush or whoever that it was a government "give-away" program. Also, she never, apparently, even looked at her own paycheck to see the more than seven percent she is now contributing to the Fund.

By the time I left, I saw that she was really thinking about things. It's a small step, but the longest journey is started with...
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 03:12 PM
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24. In addition to my regular job, I also do a lot of freelance
Edited on Tue May-31-11 03:12 PM by tblue37
editing, ghostwriting (for people who want to write books--never for students!), and tutoring. In the past, I also had a home daycare (for 18 years!) and did custom sewing, alterations, and mending.

IOW, I have almost always had a certain amount of income from "self-employment."

What many people don't realize is that those of us who have self-employment income must pay not only our regular employee's share of the SS tax, but also the employer's share, so no matter how poor we are, we end up paying a huge SS tax on our extra income.

Basically, no matter what I earn from my little side jobs, I have to set aside about 40%-50% of it to cover my self-employment SS taxes.

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virgdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 02:13 PM
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11. I commend you for keeping your cool with this uninformed cabbie...
I would not have been able to stand such ignorance, but you not only kept your cool, but calmly educated him point by point on every issue that he raised. This ignorance, fed by ass*oles like Rush and Beck, is very difficult to fight against and it underscores how little the left has to counter the liars on the right.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 03:06 PM
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23. I love that you spelled out "ass" but used an asterisk to
replace the "h" in "holes." Very funny!
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 02:21 PM
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13. Excellent job, KeepItReal.
That was like a master class in how to debate Ditto-Heads. Well done!
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 02:26 PM
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14. Thanks JQP! Although that wasn't the welcome wagon I expected.
;-)
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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 02:40 PM
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21. Yes, fabulous job!
Congrats, KeepItReal, on staying cool and giving the dude a good tip.:applause: You can catch more flies with honey . . .

BTW, when I hear cabbies, shuttle van drivers, etc. playing stations I DO like, I compliment their choices.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 02:29 PM
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17. Good for you!
Rec'd.
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 02:32 PM
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18. I've always said that the only way to get the RWs straightened out, is to
de-program them. They have been "kidnapped" by the RW media machine/politicians and fed daily propaganda which is no different than the Jim Joneses of the world who feed their captives/followers lies until they no longer resist.

Shoot, they even have senators and reps doing their bidding without questioning the validity.

They are forever sheeple.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 03:14 PM
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25. dayum you handled that well
Rec
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 03:17 PM
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28. Wonder how he'd like driving his cab through a minefield of potholes?
Guess those damn soshulist commie gummint road pavers aren't so bad after all. :eyes:
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 03:25 PM
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30. I'm sure he'd love competing with gypsy cabbies

Instead of having a government regulated taxi medallion.
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 04:14 PM
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31. I am impressed at your diligence and sticktoitiveness
There is NO WAY I could have kept that conversation going as long as you did. I hope you take lots of taxi rides!!!
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 10:34 PM
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32. Any cab driver that is a republican
is an absolute moron.

Just shows you the power of talk radio blaring at you all day. Turns you into an idiot.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 02:04 AM
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39. The same can be said for anyone that belongs to a union and is a Republican.
.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:27 AM
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42. Or anyone who is black and a republican.
Or anyone who is Muslim, hispanic, gay, female, or a non-millionaire and is a republican.

:shrug:
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oldhippydude Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:42 AM
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46. actaully
i drove for nearly a decade...i listened to my dispatch radio.. that was my bread and butter.. any cabie thats listening to Rush is missing bussiness... but then i guess thats poetic justice..
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:42 AM
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33. k&r n/t
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:48 AM
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34. BRAVO!!!! He got a free education - from you!
Edited on Wed Jun-01-11 12:48 AM by calimary
WELL DONE!!!!!

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 01:06 AM
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35. one person at a time.....that`s what it will take to turn this country around
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latinattack78 Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 01:10 AM
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36. Patience, facts, and the ability to converse,
is how we will reeducate the masses who have been led astray by Rush, Beck, Palin, and Fox news. We are all Americans first and some of us have been misguided into the beliefs we have. I commend you on your patience with dealing with this cabbies points in a respectful and knowledgeable fashion. Hopefully you will have planted a seed into his mind. One that will flourish and give birth to a human being who will not blindly follow what the leaders say, but someone who will always question and once having seen facts, he will then consolidate his beliefs on a policy issue. We all must be the carriers of these seeds and set about bringing forth the sleeping giant that is the American consciousness before we have no thought to awake.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 01:36 AM
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37. You did good - trouble is....
you're ONE voice of truth and reason, while he's drubbed with Rush and his propaganda EVERY single day! In his eyes, who's got more credibility - anonymous you, or the celebrity with with the radio show???
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 01:39 AM
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38. Travis Bickle.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 04:28 AM
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40. Good for you...You gave him an education...It might actually "take"
I try to do this when I run into this type of person myself.

It's exhausting, at times, but I feel I might be doing some good.:eyes:
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:36 AM
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45. Good for giving him advice but he might think about it but he won't change.
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Jim_Shorts Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 07:16 AM
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47. Rush Limbaugh is a modern day Tokyo Rose
If we had ANY kind of a REAL news media, they would make it clear to the public that this broadcaster is just full of lies.

Al Franken's book "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot" is chock full of the lies that Limbaugh spews every day and I don't remember any lawsuit being won disputing what was written in it.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 08:11 AM
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49. Rush's main goal is to convince people to vote against their own best interests...
..thus.. transfering the wealth from the working poor up to the top 1%

Rush Lumbaugh is a paid Republican mouthpiece.. and his job, is to hammer away every day... to convince people that they do not have a right to better wages, better health care and better education.

So far it's working perfectly... with guys like this cab driver lapping it up like a kitten and warm milk. Sarah Palin is the next best weapon in the GOP's media arsenal of disgrace and greed.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 08:17 AM
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50. Regarding his daughter's investments in property, does he realize
that the housing market is in the midst of a double-dip drop, so it's most likely that she's LOST money on her investments to this point?

Oh, and K&R.
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 10:17 AM
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59. He said he taught her to buy and rent out the properties
So the renters would cover the mortgage costs and then some.

Said his daughter was doing ok right now, so I guess the bubble didn't hit her too hard. That would have been a whole 'nother conversation! :-)
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 08:20 AM
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51. If he felt that his taxes were excessive because of bank bailouts,
corporate welfare and funding the military industrial complex, would you have still disagreed?
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northoftheborder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 08:26 AM
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52. You have the patience of Job!!!!! I would have gotten too angry to speak.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 08:51 AM
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53. Great post. Good for you!

:yourock: :applause:



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Duval Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 08:51 AM
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54. Good job! n/t
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garthranzz Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 09:34 AM
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56. Down here in New Orleans
I have to put up with the ignorance of people like that cab driver every day, and from otherwise highly educated people.

Congratulations on your patience, sir. Maybe I can borrow some, because I'm tired.

Well said, and well written.
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 10:23 AM
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61. I'll lend you some patience next time I come home!
I'm a UNO grad, BTW...

:toast:
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garthranzz Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 10:28 AM
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62. Me, too
UNO BA and MA, Tulane PhD

:toast:
:applause:

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livingonearth Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 09:36 AM
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57. Limbaugh is dangerous and evil in his misinformation.
He tells his listeners bullshit like: "liberals hate their country" and "Obama is destroying America on purpose". This kind of crap keeps people from getting to the real reasons behind the problems we are having.
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 09:36 AM
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58. Why did you tip him? Why should he 'expect a handout'?
You are to be commended for your kindness but there is a time and a place for an object lesson. The next time he puts on Rush everything you told him will go completely out of his mind because he's too brainwashed. Telling him not to "expect a handout" while handing him only the amount of the fare would have stuck with him a lot longer. Would it have changed his mind? Probably not. But he's not going to change it anyway as long as he continues to listen to RW radio.
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 10:22 AM
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60. Didn't treat him any different from any other cab driver
Unless the driver gives me bad service, I tip.

This guy got me from A to B in one piece and even though we had a brisk debate, he never did anything to diminish the service I received.
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:58 PM
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73. Yeah, I guess I'm feeling particularly petty today!
Definitely a YMMV situation.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 10:32 AM
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63. Should have asked him; if it's so easy to pull yourself up and
better yourself, then why doesn't he pull himself up and be more than a cab-driver? Surely he would want to make more and have a more steady job.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 10:36 AM
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64. I had a Cab driver friend like that once
What happened, is that he was a talk radio junkie from back in the early days As he grew older, he never broadened where he got his information. He was a failed musician, a bit bitter in life, lost opportunity and all that. He also became a little paranoid and conspiracy theory prone. So Limbaugh was a major contributor to his political education. He was easy to argue with, being basically ignorant (as well as full of shit) but impossible to convince using facts. He was also hilarious when he wanted to be, probably could have done stand up.

He died from complications of a stroke, and I've always wondered how much of that bitter anger contributed to his state of health. Died without healthcare, having to use whatever charity care the state of Arizona had at that time. His former SO is convinced to this day that he received substandard care, and I wouldn't doubt it one bit.

Although it's doubtful, given how indoctrinated people tend to be, you might have done some good for another human being right? Good on ya.
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 10:47 AM
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65. Every time I have gotten into a cab in the last 10-12 years
if the radio is on it has been public radio nearly all of the time. IF the cabbie is an immigrant it is NPR 100% of the time.

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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 10:48 AM
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66. I can only think of one thing when reading your story
"These aren't the droids you're looking for."



The bendable mind, possessed by most Republicans.....
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 10:54 AM
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67. Well done.
Thanks for the thread, KeepItReal.:thumbsup:
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 11:02 AM
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68. "That'll be $23.50"
"Here ya go"

"what about the tip?"

"Here's a tip for you, stop listening to Rush!"

:spray:
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:14 PM
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70. LOL
That's what my best friend would have said

:-)
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Populist_Prole Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 11:18 AM
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69. At least he seemed to process and weigh your counter arguments
Most of that type, mostly the ditto-heads, just reject any counter argument out of hand if it came from librul points of view or sources.

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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:15 PM
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71. a cab driver who thinks
he's a millionaire and won't need SS. :wtf:

God/Goddess gave them a brain....USE IT!
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:27 PM
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72. Facts do not matter. You'll hear that Obama has shut down domestic oil production
on the radio and FOX all day long.

Yet oil production is up in the US under Obama.
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Courtesy Flush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 01:10 PM
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74. Can you get chemotherapy in the Emergency Room?
First, ER abuse is part of the problem with American health care.

Second, you can't go to the ER for chemotherapy, dialysis, orthopedic surgery, heart surgery, drug therapy, physical therapy, prosthetics, etc. etc. etc.

Do these people really not know what health insurance provides?
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 01:18 PM
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75. you just can't reason with someone brainwashed by the right-wing noise machine n/t
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 01:30 PM
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76. I had a similar experience in 2002 in NYC.
The driver made the same arguments as this one. The difference is, the jackal did not want to hear anything contrary to his views.
He accused me of being anti-American (post 9/11). He did not get a tip.
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brewens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 10:05 PM
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77. In Rush's America he can have a harem of peasant houseboys to frolic with!
Kind of just like Roman elites.
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