I Love The Kennedys, But Can I Forgive Maria For NOT Speaking Out? ---NO!

[kpete]

she should have spoken out for CALIFORNIA

Speaking to reporters after the speech, Shriver described her husband of 17 years as "an extraordinary man" and took issue with the characterization that he behaves boorishly towards women.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/03/shriver/


she had the chance, but I think THEY wanted MORE

Now, debate over a proposed 28th Amendment is focused on the popularity and political future of one man: macho Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger, the former bodybuilder and action-movie star who has been California's governor for barely a year.

With a bit of encouragement from the Terminator himself, some of Schwarzenegger's supporters are pushing for a constitutional amendment that would allow the Austrian-born governor to run for the White House as soon as 2008. Schwarzenegger is blocked by Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution. It reads, "No person except a natural born citizen ... shall be eligible to the office of president." The 12th Amendment says the vice president cannot be foreign-born.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/2004-12-02-schwarzenegger-amendment_x.htm

My state has been DEVASTATED!

HERES HOPING GOVERNOR MOONBEAN BRINGS US BACK!
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/04/13/3548575/brown-says-hes-the-same-old-governor.html


peace, kpete
oh, and by the way, I won't even get started with my feelings about Arnold...

UPDATE: I AM AN ANGRY BITCH TODAY
forgive me if i seem a bit judgmental
i usually try to stay away from that shit

but 70 of our beautiful parks are going to be shut down, schools are losing the battle to succeed, Californians are losing their shirts, homes, WATER SUCKS, regulations are abused, old and disabled people are out on the street....
i could go on - but perhaps some of you might understand, that i used DU to vent my anger (possibly at the wrong target)
something i do rarely.

[robcon]

1. Who the fuck are you to forgive, or not forgive maria?

??

[kpete]

3. absolutely NOBODY

but,

just pissed off BIG TIME as I look around my beautiful state and see the results of the political food fight that resulted in THAT recall.

kpete

[EFerrari]

20. A California resident in a state devastated by her @sshole husband. n/t

[JanMichael]

2. She didn't know about the kid until recently

The Kennedy's aren't exactly known for openly discussing their personal problems, either.

[meegbear]

4. Over here in Boston-town, it's been reported that ...

she didn't want to speak out about it until both her parents, Eunice Kennedy Shriver and Sargent Shriver, had passed away and wait until his governorship was over.

That was her choice; maybe not the best choice in some people's eyes, but it was hers.

[EFerrari]

21. What we're going to find is that Maria has been co-signing his bs

for their whole marriage. During the campaign stories about his sexual predations bubbled up in the press but the right wing media didn't let them get big.

[joeybee12]

31. I can see about her parents, but about the governorship, that's just bs....nt

[pintobean]

5. It's none of your business

[MilesColtrane]

22. +1

Short and to the point

[Spider Jerusalem]

6. Kennedy woman speaking out about her husband's philandering?

Really? I'm kind of surprised you'd expect that, it's not in character, so much.

[WinkyDink]

7. MARIA is blame-worthy here?!

[stellanoir]

8. kpete

You are such a prolifically profound poster yet I'm not often sure when something is your opinion or something you've gleaned from elsewhere.

I don't pay a whole lot of attention to celebrity fodder but I did hear that Maria wasn't aware of the "love child" until after he left office.

Who knows if that's true or not.

best

[LisaL]

11. The household staff was married.

Naturally people would assume the husband was the father.

[zbdent]

42. the first clue was the deep-throated Austrian accent

to the baby's first cries ...

[malaise]

9. Well she didn't know

He just told her about the child.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

10. He didn't tell her until he left office. She has enough on her plate than to deal with judgment

right now.

[pipi_k]

12. What was she supposed to have spoken out against?

Or for?

They just showed a clip from 2003 in which she vehemently denies he was doing what all those women accused him of.

Looked like she believed him.

Yeah, a guy can have a reputation for being a boor, but that doesn't mean he's groping everyone he sees. It's he said, she said usually.

Not that I'm defending him...it's just a little more difficult to prove than a child via extramarital affair.

But really...bashing on Maria because she "didn't speak out"? He was her husband. They may have been happy at the time. And maybe she was raised with more class than to air dirty laundry in public.

PS...like the others said, she didn't know about the child until just recently.

[Dappleganger]

13. She didn't know.

What part about that do you not understand? Way to blame the victim, here.

[no_hypocrisy]

15. She didn't know.

1) Her husband didn't tell her from the start or during the ten years of the child's existence.

2) The husband of the employee actively acknowledged paternity.

3) The child probably didn't resemble AS enough to make the connection if MS saw the child at all.

[madmax]

14. I don't blame Maria

but, she knew what he was when she married him. She may have even expected it.

But, I agree we have no business to 'blame' her. Live and let live. It's her pain and she does't need anymore from the general public.

[bigwillq]

16. I don't think it's any of our business

how she deals with a private matter in HER marriage.

[mfcorey1]

17. The person to rant at is Arnold who kept the housekeeper working in his home that he violated even

after the birth of the child. Now that is the travesty.

[Raschel]

33. AND the housekeeper, I'd say.

[sasha031]

18. I've been away from the computer, did Schwarzenegger have a kid?

[zanana1]

19. I never thought that marriage made any sense but...

Maybe Maria is an attention-getter and Arnold is just a pig.

[hlthe2b]

23. Why do we always blame the wife--the victim of the cretin husband?

Yes, Maria knew about his history of womanizing, but according to current reports, she just NOW learned about the affair and "love child."

Was she in denial? Should she have known? Did she suspect? Who knows? All I know is that she is horrendously humiliated in a very public way that most of us (fortunately) can never really understand.

Say anything you wish about Arnold. He deserves everything and more. Was he a terrible governor? No doubt. But, from what I have seen of the RETHUGs in your state--in your legislature-- it goes much deeper than Schwarzenegger. Maybe this will finally spur a major "House Cleaning." I am very saddened at the park closure and other austerity measures being brought about by their irresponsibility. But, why would one spouse bear the brunt of all of that?

[October]

27. I know... so sick of this

Even with Mr. Appalachian Trail -- they labeled his wife and defended him for "being in love."

Please.

[October]

24. OMG, blame the female...

Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK?

[Codeine]

25. The particulars of their marriage are not your concern. nt

[UTUSN]

26. I never forgave her when she hooked up with the a-hole to begin with

And she went around telling disappointed Dems, "It's not that he's a (Rethug), he's NOT that way. He's an IMMIGRANT!1 That's why he's that way."

[TK421]

28. Coming soon: "The Sperminator"

[Rebubula]

34. Already done

Porn in the 80s...

/yes...I watched it - just for the articles, of course -lol

[joeybee12]

29. I have little sympathy for her...she kept her mouth shut for the power her husband

got and she enjoyed.

[pipi_k]

35. OTOH....

The uncynical view would be that she didn't want her children to be the innocent victims of whatever nasty things would be said about their father.

:shrug:

[joeybee12]

36. She knew and she wanted to be wife of the governor...

She had to know he was diddling everything, there were stories for years, and yet she defended because she wanted to be Mrs. Governor.

[pipi_k]

39. sorry, but...

I guess I'm not lucky enough to have that skill.

The one that enables people to KNOW what other people "knew".


did she suspect? Perhaps.

But suspicion and actually knowing something are two different things.



Kind of like when my first husband cheated on me with one of my sisters. I suspected. But I didn't KNOW until he actually confessed.

[Rowdyboy]

30. Have you forgiven Hillary for letting Bill destroy his presidency yet?

How about Laura Bush and the Iraq War. Your rage is misplaced.

Sorry California is in the ditch right now but its the celebrity-fixated California electorate that deserves the blame. Now Gov Brown is cleaning up Arnold's mess, just like President Obama is cleaning up W's.

[montanto]

32. Hard for me to blame the victim.

The governor is responsible for the governor's job, not his family members IMO.

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[dionysus]

38. misplaced rage fail.

[Blasphemer]

40. She is suffering quite a lot for her choices

While I never understood her attraction to Arnold and it was disappointing that she publicly supported his candidacy (though privately, she did not apparently), I think she is now living a private hell due to the choices she has made for the sake of her marriage and family.

[slackmaster]

41. I regard another person's relationship problems as the epitome of a MYOB situation

:shrug: