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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 08:26 AM
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60 More Days in Libya: Obama Does Bush Lawyers Proud
Now we know why Obama has gone to such outrageous lengths to keep Bush's lawyers out of prison, claiming powers of secrecy and immunity beyond Cheney's wildest dreams and pressuring foreign nations to clamp down on any outbreaks of law enforcement.

If the Bush lawyers who "legalized" aggressive war, lawless imprisonment, and torture were not consulted on how to keep the war in Libya going in perpetuity, they were certainly the inspiration for the latest White House brainstorming session.

Remember when Alberto Gonzales claimed that the U.S. Constitution gives no one the right to habeas corpus by merely asserting that if you had that right it could not be taken away? Amateur work.

Remember when John Yoo and Jay Bybee explained that a man tortured but never tried had no rights due to his guilt? Child's play.

Remember when Bush suggested he might get a war with Iraq started by painting airplanes with UN colors, flying them low, and trying to get them shot at? He was the warm-up act.

Obama's relationship with the U.S. Constitution, U.S. treaty obligations, and the War Powers Act is a mature performance, a masterpiece for the ages.

The U.S. Constitution allows no president to launch a war. The War Powers Act makes an exception for cases in which the United States has been attacked by another nation. Libya did not attack the United States. So, the War Powers Act does not apply.

But Obama's great legal minds decided to pretend it applied by submitting a report to Congress that pretended to comply with the reporting requirements of the War Powers Act. The pretense was pretty thin, as that law requires that certain items be reported, including "the estimated scope and duration of the hostilities or involvement," that were not included in the President's pretend report to Congress.

Obama's "Justice Department" then leaked a memo that Bush's gang would have been proud of but would have kept secret, a memo announcing more than arguing that Obama could make war in Libya if he damn well felt like it. We needed to defend regional stability, the DOJ argued, apparently forgetting what region we're in. And we needed to defend the United Nations, they claimed, even while rejecting UN demands to visit Bradley Manning or to cease murdering Pakistanis with drones.

And now we come to the end of the first 60 days of bombing Libya. If you're pretending to partially comply with the War Powers Act, then you're pretending that you have 60 days in which to wage unconstitutional war. After that, you have to put your guns and other toys away or ask the first branch of our government to authorize what you are doing. Here are two of Obama's schemes for getting around this law:

One:

" idea is for the United States to order a complete -- but temporary -- halt to all of its efforts in the Libya mission. Some lawyers make the case that, after a complete pause, the United States could rejoin the mission with a new 60-day clock."


This is the one that has John Yoo kicking himself with jealousy, assuming he didn't provide it. You stop a war for a moment, and then restart it with another 60 days on the clock. If they could do this repeatedly, they could have permanent war while "complying" with the War Powers Act. Or perhaps they could just do it once, and in the interim Congress would pass its "Defense Authorization" including Congressman McKeon and Senator McCain's amendment to give Obama and all future presidents blanket authorization to launch wars. That might work.

Two:

"One concept being discussed is for the United States to halt the use of its Predator drones in attacking targets in Libya, and restrict them solely to a role gathering surveillance over targets. Over recent weeks, the Predators have been the only American weapon actually firing on ground targets, although many aircraft are assisting in refueling, intelligence gathering and electronic jamming. By ending all strike missions for American forces, the argument then could be made that the United States was no longer directly engaged in hostilities in Libya, but only providing support to NATO allies."


This is a curious idea. The United Nations investigator on extrajudicial killings has already declared U.S. drone use elsewhere illegal. The U.N. resolution that the U.S. Justice Department argues justifies the war forbids foreign ground troops and imposes an arms embargo. So, by halting one illegal action, the United States would "legalize" continuing others.

Except that NATO is not separate from the United States, but dominated by the United States, its largest member. Attributing atrocities to NATO puts them outside Congress' purview. Assigning whole wars to NATO, as was done by former president Clinton in Yugoslavia, should not provide the same cover.

There's nothing legal about this, and there wouldn't be even if NATO were a non-U.S. entity, or even if Congress had declared war on Libya. As Marjorie Cohn points out:

"The UN Charter does not permit the use of military force for humanitarian interventions . . . . It is only when peaceful means have been tried and proved inadequate that the Security Council can authorize action under Chapter VII of the Charter.


Cohn also looks at what the Libya resolution says:

"Security Council Resolution 1973 begins with the call for 'the immediate establishment of a ceasefire.' . . . The resolution authorizes UN Member States 'to take all necessary measures . . . to protect civilians and civilian populated areas' of Libya. But instead of pursuing an immediate ceasefire, immediate military action was taken . . . . The military force exceeds the bounds of the 'all necessary measures' authorization. 'All necessary measures' should first have been peaceful measures to settle the conflict. Yet peaceful means were not exhausted before the military invasion began. A high level international team -- consisting of representatives from the Arab League, the African Union, and the UN Secretary General -- should have been dispatched to Tripoli to attempt to negotiate a real cease-fire, and set up a mechanism for elections and for protecting civilians. Moreover, after the passage of the resolution, Libya immediately offered to accept international monitors and Qadaffi offered to step down and leave Libya. These offers were immediately rejected by the opposition. . . . Obama, France’s President Nicolas Sarkozy and Britain's David Cameron penned an op-ed in the International Herald Tribune that said the NATO force will fight in Libya until President Muammar Qaddafi is gone, even though the Resolution does not sanction forcible regime change."


Even if you supported the initial "humanitarian" imposition of the "no fly zone" in Libya -- and the laws be damned -- you need a new reason to support the ongoing bombing of Tripoli and the West's efforts to impose a puppet government on Libya by force. The International Criminal Court's willingness to charge Gadaffi, but not Obama, with crimes is not a reason. Wars are not legally justified by a national leader's criminality. You need a new excuse. And I'm ashamed of the ones the White House is coming up with.

If we are going to properly educate our children to evade substantive compliance with laws and moral standards, we need to show them how to do it right. The Yoo-Bybee model, now perfected by Obama and Hillary Clinton's gang, still does not seem quite worthy of our position as world leader. I think we can do better, and I trust that our greatest legal minds are hard at work on the matter.

If something even more brilliant than "reset the clock" isn't thought of soon, I wouldn't be entirely shocked if a newspaper somewhere in the country thought to ask why Obama doesn't just ask Congress to authorize his war. And I would consider it a real, if remote, possibility that a reader somewhere might actually stop and think about that question.

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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 08:38 AM
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1. You Forget that Western Powers follow the SBC Principle: WE write the Rules that let US RULE

A host of traditional principles of international law are being violated by the "Action" in Libya,
BUT WHO CARES? All the Western and Oil powers hate Gaddafi. He is just too much trouble.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 08:59 AM
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4. speaking of oil powers
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 08:41 AM
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2. President Obama is nothing more than the official mouthpiece for the Empire. The PTB
have far more confidence in their ability to coerce, cover up, and prosecute/kill anyone who threatens their hegemony. During the Bush years they knew they had the Presidency and the Supreme Court but they were not sure if the Congress would be subservient to them. Now they have all three branches of government doing their bidding on virtually every issue, so there's no longer a need to act like the Constitution means anything.

Now that Citizens United was ratified as the law of the land by the Supreme Court there is no politician who can stand against the assault. We are now officially a nation whose official duty is to serve as the enforcement arm of International Corporate and Banking Interests.

President Obama would no more stand up to these Corporate bastards than any President since John F. Kennedy became the Poster President for what happens when you don't do their bidding.


REC.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 08:59 AM
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 09:01 AM
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5. well, Ghadaffi is not my president.
and Libya is not my country.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 09:03 AM
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6. Another Obama = Bush thread, more like it. nt
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 09:32 PM
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33. Obama equals Bush. Well.. how many more facts do you need?
How many more facts do you need to to realize that Obama is Bush II?

I know.. don't confuse me with the facts... my mind is made up.
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:53 AM
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18. Evil thrives when sports fan world views are adjusted to form political opinions.
Do you think the working class people of Libya and the U.S. will be better off when Gaddafi is gone and a corporate friendly tyrant is given power through scam elections?

When given a choice between a greater and lesser evil, experience shows some people, but not all, that they don’t have to choose either.

I can imagine the day when a majority of people will wake up and see how far to many politicians use ideology and noble causes as a pretense to advance the personal agenda of a super wealthy minority predator class that wants total domination over the world.

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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:31 PM
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20. That's easy to answer
Just ask the Iraqi working people and the US working people.

My life hasn't improved since we ousted Saddam. It's worse in fact!
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:29 PM
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26. Yes Iraq is a good example, thanks for pointing it out.
Many Iraqis say they were better off under Saddam Hussein
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1058507#1059052

But at least we showed them not to mess with us. Even though they never did.

And I am definitely worse off and know lot of people who will say the same.

Unfortunately most of them remain naively misinformed as to why they are worse off.


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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 09:07 AM
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7. What Bullshit
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 09:40 AM
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8. Whats that saying? something about the new boss...
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 09:47 AM
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9. Only fools believe in the law anymore. nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 09:53 AM
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 09:54 AM
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11. yay, more junk.
:woohoo:
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:03 AM
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12. YaY! More shit falling from an Old Elm...
;)
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:06 AM
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14. LOL!!!
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:07 AM
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15. and i was raking sticks all weekend, too...
:hi:
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:39 PM
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21. Yeah, that Constitution ought to be thown in the garbage where
it belongs!

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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:06 AM
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13. Blah blah Obama evil blah blah poor Qaddafi blah blah
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:52 AM
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:53 AM
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17. Thanks for the information on this, David.
:kick:
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:19 PM
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19. KandR
For what it's worth....around here.



peace~
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:41 PM
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22. After your silly bin Laden screeds, nobody takes anything you post seriously, David

That's a shame, because this OP makes a valid point.


BUt you destroyed your credibility last week.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:42 PM
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23. Good article, David. The other question is, what is NATO
doing in Libya? Did they lose their way or did Libya attack a NATO member?

The global lawlessness from economics to war to interfering in elections in countries around the world, is simply stunning.

:kick: and R
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:55 PM
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24. But, but, but, "everybody" says Qaddafi is bad!
And when "everybody" agrees, we can do anything we want. It's the imperial way! We'll call it "justice" or "self-defense" or some other nice-sounding word bite, and then "everybody" can gather around the bonfires and shout "America, fuck yeah!"
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:25 PM
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25. Well written OP
It is getting the crap unrec'ed out of it though.
Not sure why though since it seems pretty well thought out.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:33 PM
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27. You'd have to read it to know that though.
:eyes:

I rec'd it ~

Our country is never going to recover from the Bush assault on its very foundations until we the people manage to elect people who are not corporate owned. But with so much money going to buy candidates, that will be a very difficult thing to do.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:36 PM
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28. Poor Gaddafi
<...>

Even if you supported the initial "humanitarian" imposition of the "no fly zone" in Libya -- and the laws be damned -- you need a new reason to support the ongoing bombing of Tripoli and the West's efforts to impose a puppet government on Libya by force. The International Criminal Court's willingness to charge Gadaffi, but not Obama, with crimes is not a reason. Wars are not legally justified by a national leader's criminality. You need a new excuse. And I'm ashamed of the ones the White House is coming up with.

If we are going to properly educate our children to evade substantive compliance with laws and moral standards, we need to show them how to do it right. The Yoo-Bybee model, now perfected by Obama and Hillary Clinton's gang, still does not seem quite worthy of our position as world leader. I think we can do better, and I trust that our greatest legal minds are hard at work on the matter.

<...>


Poor Gaddafi, the war criminal, is being persecuted by "Obama and Hillary Clinton's gang," using the "Yoo-Bybee model."

What flaming garbage!
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:57 PM
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30. Why are we in Libya? Did they threaten this country?
Or are you saying that if a US citizen asks that question they 'love poor Qadaffi'?
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:38 PM
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29. This man was marketed to us specifically on strength of character
We've been had.

We were constantly fluffed on the specifics of policy and told to trust that his maneuvering was just some intricate chess genius stuff, but that his colossal integrity and morality would steer him through the specifics of politics. These are not the acts of a person who respects the law.

The stated action intended for this "No Fly Zone" are specifically a sham--it's support for one side in a civil war, not protecting the innocent--and the justifications for the action completely ignore the economic and mineral issues. The very plan and reasons are mendacious to the soul, and that's a stark reality when the very appeal of this man is supposed to be his character.

Throwing the War Powers Resolution aside, he's in direct violation of the UN Participation Act of 1945, and nobody's really calling him out about that.

The Republicans want an imperial presidency, too, and they're perfectly happy to let him establish some more precedent.

Rule by memo; what perfectly appropriate corporatism.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 04:10 PM
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31. At least nobody's getting lynched in this article...
unrec.

Sid
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 06:30 PM
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32. Thank goddess for small mercies.
I had forgotten about that one.
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