Bin Laden kept a journal of all the ways he wanted to kill you.

[dkf]

Too bad we got him first, right?

Associated Press

WASHINGTON >> U.S. officials say that Osama bin Laden kept a hand-written journal filled with planning ideas and details of operations. The journal was seized in the dramatic US raid.

The journal was part of a huge cache of intelligence that included about 100 flash drives and five computers taken by U.S. Navy SEALs after they swept through the compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/121650089.html

[Forkboy]

1. Didn't even think he knew me.

[sabrina 1]

5. Yes, he was after YOU! Now it's getting personal!

I hope you are sufficiently scared to not even think about opposing our great war on terro anymore!

[Forkboy]

7. I was afraid to even leave my bunker until last week.

:)

[dkf]

12. Well he has cost you thousands of dollars too.

That should make it personal. But no. Still the tears.

[sabrina 1]

13. He didn't cost me anything. The Bush administration used him

to start two wars and build a whole new and very profitable for their warmongering buddies, branch of Government known as Homeland Security. Lots of Bush friends have profited greatly from those disastrous decisions. And since when did Democrats start letting Bush off the hook for lying us into war? Are you saying we were wrong about Bush after all?

In fact, anyone taking the time to actually read anything about Bin Laden, like our media should have, rather than 'catapulting' the lies that got us into these wars, would have known that OBL hated Saddam Hussein and viewed him as a traitor to Islam. If Americans had been better informed, they would not have backed the lies that cost us trillions of dollars.

Sorry, I am in no way ever going to forget who is responsible for those trillion dollar wars we are still involved in.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

44. Catching OBL should have cost a Buck 'O Five ($1.05) but Bush had to start two wars.

With one of the wars planned BEFORE 9/11.

[joeybee12]

55. Trust me, I gave him your name...

and coordinates!

:evilgrin:

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

56. But let's be honest. He wouldn't be the first person

who'd like to kill you after meeting you :P :evilgrin: ..... out of envy of course.

[DFW]

2. "Let me count the ways...."

Whoda thunk bin Laden read Shakespeare?

[Leopolds Ghost]

11. ONE-one thousand! TWO-one thousand!

QUIET keep it down, Roger! I think I hear the Toon Special Forces outside the compound!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

3. I knew he didn't like me.

I just knew it.

[sabrina 1]

4. Good, so we won't be ending our WOT anytime soon.

That's good news for the MIC. For a while there, we thought we might be ending those very profitable wars, but with all this 'new intelligence', I'm sure we will all agree, we cannot even think about it now. :eyes:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. What page am I on? Did he spell my name right? Did he have a ghost writer?

[Spike89]

8. Can't he just kill me one way? After that, it is just weird nt

[Javaman]

42. OBL got bored easily.

lol.

[readmoreoften]

9. So does every health insurance lobbyist in America. When do we turn the guns?

[Mimosa]

15. ^ LOL! True, that! LOL ^ n/t

[buddysmellgood]

10. He was working on schemes with the kid from the Home Alone movies.

[Mimosa]

14. Ohhh, I'm sooo scared..

BTW, I'm more scare of the things our government can do to deprive me of my rights and freedoms.

[StarburstClock]

16. Condi Rice "who would have ever thought of flying planes into buildings"?

Oh I don't know, maybe anyone who has ever seen a plane flying and buildings nearby?

[Shandris]

57. That was always my reaction too.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a Clancy novel before 9/11 with that exact occurrence in it? Or did I just imagine that up?

[Diclotican]

70. Shandris

Shandris

Yes, I belive it to be named "act of war". For the moment it reside in the basement behind a lot of other books, as I have not taken all the books in where it belong... But I do rembember the book, it was a chilling book about how to use terrism to kill most of US congress and senate..

But it was also little to rosefull about how americans could act to a terror act like this.. The americans in Tom Clancys book was great in stoic calmm, and did the right thing all the time.. Of course they had Ryan ad their president, he was given the Vice presidency, and then, becouse of the terrible act and killing of US president in Senate, he was suddently the US POTUS.. They dosen't had a dimwith as their president, even tho Ryan got attaced by some who was not pleased to be trown out from power.. The former Vice president...

If only some had looked into this book better than just as an action book... It was like reading about the future... With the exeption of a great president.. Just clowns

Diclotican

[WinkyDink]

17. P.47: "Destroy Medicare."

[Modern_Matthew]

18. How typical of a rich man. nt

[Solly Mack]

19. I hope he spelled my name correctly.

[GusBob]

20. I cant believe people here are mocking this

according to the AP the ideas contained in the journal were to kill as many americans as possible, to spread terror to smaller cities, and to other forms of transportation than airplanes

[Fumesucker]

21. Welcome to DU..

The very best response to terrorists and terrorism by the public is to ignore it, indeed laughing at it is exactly the opposite of what the terrorists want.

In the UK during the IRA bombing campaign, every time a place was destroyed by a bomb it was rebuilt as quickly as possible and then packed with people who were showing that they were not going to be intimidated by the terrorists.

I suppose that's the difference between a nation that has gone through something like the Blitz in living memory and one that hasn't.

[TorchTheWitch]

26. there is a huge difference between going about your business and LAUGHING

I assure you, no terrorist is fooled by macabre jokes, so all it does is grossly insult those who have suffered due to a terrorist attack and show to the world a revoltingly enormous lack of empathy for those people who have suffered and/or died because of terrorism. Terrorism isn't the least bit funny. There is no humor in what this evil shitstain has done to thousands upon thousands of people all over the world.

Terrorists want their actions to result in fear that changes how we live to their advantage. Ignoring it and in particular laughing about it is both ludicrous and foolish. Yes, continue to go about your business refusing to give into to fear that changes how you function. Be angry, not afraid. Hunt the evil fucks down and punish them to the full extent of the law, don't ignore it. Shove your jokes up your ass because there is NOTHING - NOTHING WHATSOEVER funny about the hideous suffering that is a result of terrorism.

[Fumesucker]

27. People joke going on to the operating table, not everyone but a significant percentage.

It's one of the ways people have of dealing with fear, with helping overcome it.

[Shandris]

59. I do that.

I also look directly at a nurse (if one is there) or the anesthesiologist and say, "You make sure to bring me back, alright?" Lingering memories from Flatliners, I guess.

[Leopolds Ghost]

22. Little did bin Laden know that Man is a Feeling Creature, and hence, the greatest in the Universe

And prone to not going ahead with such loony schemes when faced with actual Midwestern folks.

[sabrina 1]

23. And according to CNN there were no terror plans found in the

material taken from the Compound. So, who are we to believe? Frankly I'm more scared of losing all my rights because some people are so easily scared they are willing to give up MY rights as well as their own.

The chances of death-by-terrorist are minimal compared to death-by-lack-of-medical-coverage.

People need to get a grip. Living in fear is not living. Letting people scare you is silly. We will all die one way or the other, some day, sooner or later. But while we are here, we should enjoy it, even if it's just one more day.

[sufrommich]

30. CNN reported no such thing. nt

[Solomon]

37. Yeah and it's not joking that going on here, but an agenda.

The idea that Obama will continue the fear tactics of the Bush Administration. It's bullshit. Why get Bin laden in the first place if you're going to do this? If Obama brings us out of Afghanistan because we got Bin Laden, what will the nobomas say then?

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[sabrina 1]

51. No, it's joking and here's why:

The OP here says we should be scared because the material from the compound says Bin Laden was plotting to go after us with 'big body counts', right??

Now read this, from CNN:

No new terror plots uncovered so far, says official

Washington (CNN) -- A law enforcement official says information culled from the materials seized at Osama bin Laden's Pakistan hideout has been farmed out to many of the 56 FBI field offices across the country to check out. As the material has been exploited, officials have come across evidence like phone numbers, and it is being "pushed to the logical places to follow up and pursue," the official said.

"It is all being looked at to see how it factors into other information that we have acquired, but it shouldn't be interpreted that we have plots that are in the making and are now being stamped out," the official said.

To his knowledge, no new plots have been uncovered, he said, though technically speaking some new investigations have been opened.

"Someone is hearing that we are pursuing the evidence and confusing that with uncovering a new plot," he said. "That is not the case."

Hillarious, our media is a joke, and that's not the only example I could give. Which is why many people don't believe anything they hear anymore. It's the MEDIA. We need media reform, otherwise all you can do is laugh.

People need to stop attributing motives to others they know nothing about. This whole 'wot' has been a disaster for this country in every way and it has made no one any safer.

If Obama, who I supported enthusiastically btw, gets us out of Afghanistan and Iraq, he will be the most popular man in the US and I certainly will applaud him for doing so.

[Solomon]

60. I don't see where the OP said we should be scared at all.

That's something you are interjecting into the post to pursue your agenda.

The Op just confirms for me that it's very good that we got the guy, not that we should be scared.

Now if he were still alive and it was reported that he was making these plans, you might have a point. But he's dead and it's good riddance. Doesn't surprise me that he was still plotting, and it doesn't scare anybody that they found out he was still plotting.

I apologize if I misread you, but clearly you seem to be saying that the point of releasing the information is to continue to scare the population like Bush did. That's an agenda.

Keep on moving the goalposts. Doesn't matter what this President does, people will find fault. It's almost like some people here are a tad disappointed when he succeeds at something.

[sabrina 1]

66. Yes, you are misreading me. I think you are

defensive about a politician. Far more important to me than any politician, no matter how much I like him/her, is this country and the direction it has taken since the stolen election of 2000 which is when I personally began to pay close attention.

This article in the OP is typical of what we have seen throughout the past decade. No one said the president has anything to do with it, it's hardly likely he even knows about it. But there is are people in this country who have lots of control over the media, on the right, who did not go away just because the administration changed.

Not everything is about the President or even OBL. We lost so much during Bush's reign of terror in this country and it will probably take decades to get back just to where we were before Bush. But even Bush was behind the fear-mongering, he is not smart enough to run a campaign like that, he was, however, on board with it and appeared to enjoy the job of passing along, as he said, 'the propaganda'.

I don't see this president doing that, fear-mongering. However, I do see that while we have a different administration, US foreign policies have not changed. I am of the opinion, and it is just my personal opinion, that the system that has been in place for decades, cannot be changed by a President, no matter how much he wishes to change it. That is up to us, the American people and to Congress.

People should not be so quick to judge the motives of others. I think it would wiser to assume that your fellow DUers at least, who opposed Bush policies, the fear and war-mongering for so many years, are simply doing what they always did. Iow, sticking to their principles, because they care deeply about this country.

[sabrina 1]

49. Yes, they did:

No new terror plots uncovered so far, official says

Washington (CNN) -- A law enforcement official says information culled from the materials seized at Osama bin Laden's Pakistan hideout has been farmed out to many of the 56 FBI field offices across the country to check out. As the material has been exploited, officials have come across evidence like phone numbers, and it is being "pushed to the logical places to follow up and pursue," the official said.

"It is all being looked at to see how it factors into other information that we have acquired, but it shouldn't be interpreted that we have plots that are in the making and are now being stamped out," the official said.

To his knowledge, no new plots have been uncovered, he said, though technically speaking some new investigations have been opened.

"Someone is hearing that we are pursuing the evidence and confusing that with uncovering a new plot," he said. "That is not the case."

It was on DU's Home Page last night.

[hifiguy]

54. Whatever CNN said, you made a great point.

"The chances of death-by-terrorist are minimal compared to death-by-lack-of-medical-coverage."

Yup. Right up there with getting killed by a meteor falling on your head. Yet people yammer, squeal and bleat about how it is just fine to become a police state to prevent a one-in-a-zillion chance of death-by-terrorist.

The first time I flew after 9/11 I was a tad nervous. For about ten minutes. Haven't thought twice about getting on a plane since, but gads I fucking hate having to get to the airport two hours early for all of the superfluous bullshit you have to go through to get on a plane.

[Swede]

62. They gave CNN all 10 terrabytes of info seized?

I'd like to see that link.

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[octothorpe]

29. But he was a professional terrorist. Isn't this to be expected? I put my ideas in a notebook too.

*not about killing people, of course.

[myrna minx]

38. You are more likely to have someone you love killed by a drunk driver or a lightening strike than

to experience a terror attack. I've had people I love killed by drunk drivers - I'm far more afraid of drunk drivers than terrorists.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

65. The aim of terror is to have people cowering in fear...and cause governments to panic.

Unfortunately, the American people are still cowering in fear and the government is still panicking.

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[Heidi]

28. See, now? Handwriting is _not_ obsolete. (nt)

[octothorpe]

31. lol. +1

[Leopolds Ghost]

61. BREAKING: Journal in cursive, over-55 experts hired to decode it

Damn it! Al Qaeda has graduated to using passive security measures to combat American intelligence.

[Heidi]

71. I'm 45, but you're within a decade of the spectrum of expertise, so

no demerits will be handwritten on your permanent record.

You're welcome.

[Leopolds Ghost]

72. Heh. Don't worry, I like cursive.

But it could be used to write super-secret spoilers if script kiddies can't read it. Security through obscurity!

[ellie]

32. Jesus, that guy was a jerk.

[Incitatus]

33. If someone kills me, I'm gonna be fucking pissed. nt

[themadstork]

34. Already beat him to it.

I've got severals journals filled with me detailing the different ways of killing myself.

But really, I just don't give a fuck. The American insistence that we all must cower in fear because of the Big Bad Terrorists is such a load of bourgeois horseshit. I will die. You will die. Some of us will die painfully and cruelly, and some of us will kill others painfully and cruelly. I'm not going to spend my entire existence worrying that our sacred military won't be able to defend my right to buy a fucking iPad, or that I might--gasp!--be a victim of the same senseless violence that kills millions every year.

Every time a conservative gives me the You Better Cower in Fear of The Brown People speech I ask them what exactly ever happened to the idea that there were certain principles worth dying for, and that we may at some point be called upon to actually do so. The conservative motto right now is that Anything and Everything is justified if it means that we might not die, which in another time would have been recognized as the motto of the self-enamored coward.

[Bragi]

35. "U.S. officials say..."

And what possible reason might anyone have to disbelieve them.

[gratuitous]

36. And every two years

Our nation spends more than a trillion dollars on weapons and a military that is trained to kill millions.

[Hubert Flottz]

39. I'll bet he loved it when the GOP attacked the old and the poor...

here in the USA!

[ChoppinBroccoli]

40. Get On The Bus, Gus; Make A New Plan, Stan

Were those two of them?

[Javaman]

41. You should see the section on "ways to kill with jello" >shudder. It ain't pretty...

:rofl:

[Beacool]

43. Like the Church lady would say: Isn't that special?

May the creep rot in hell!!!

x(

[jorno67]

45. Just like Nixon!

[OnyxCollie]

46. Terror plots REVEALED.

Until the process of transformation is treated as an enduring military mission – worthy
of a constant allocation of dollars and forces – it will remain stillborn.

Although it may take several decades for the process of transformation to unfold, in time,
the art of warfare on air, land, and sea will be vastly different than it is today, and “combat”
likely will take place in new dimensions: in space, “cyber-space,” and perhaps the world of
microbes. Air warfare may no longer be fought by pilots manning tactical fighter aircraft
sweeping the skies of opposing fighters, but a regime dominated by long-range, stealthy
unmanned craft. On land, the clash of massive, combined-arms armored forces may be
replaced by the dashes of much lighter, stealthier and information-intensive forces,
augmented by fleets of robots, some small enough to fit in soldiers’ pockets. Control of the
sea could be largely determined not by fleets of surface combatants and aircraft carriers,
but from land- and space-based systems, forcing navies to maneuver and fight underwater.
Space itself will become a theater of war, as nations gain access to space capabilities and
come to rely on them; further, the distinction between military and commercial space
systems – combatants and noncombatants – will become blurred. Information systems will
become an important focus of attack, particularly for U.S. enemies seeking to short-circuit
sophisticated American forces. And advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target”
specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically
useful tool.

Project for the New American Century. (2000). Rebuilding America's defenses, p. 60.

[Leopolds Ghost]

58. That's a frightening report on how they are trying to think up ever more ingenious ways to kill us.

I doubt bin Laden came up with something quite as expansive in scope.

[The2ndWheel]

48. Always interesting which details governments give out, and which they don't

We don't need to see the photos, but we need to know he kept a journal. No photos, since the enemy might get upset. News about the journal(but won't get to see it) so that we get more pissed off? We see segments of video taken from the site, but no audio translation from the video, even though we've heard translations from similar videos before.

[gratuitous]

52. Surely you're not saying . . .

That this episode may be getting exploited for propaganda purposes, pitched to mislead the gullible folks of our population? Yeah, the evidence for that proposition is pretty overwhelming (including the clear evidence in this thread), but you're not supposed to say anything about it.

Oh, and I didn't mean to call you Shirley.

[Autumn]

68. Very interesting isn't it.

Propaganda tools carefully chosen.

[supernova]

50. Just like Ted Kaczynski

the Unabomber.

I was willing, to think up to a certain point that OBL had some demented but logical points about the way the we in the west deal with the ME. That is he knew he was fighting for something he believed in even if I thought it was nuts.

With the release of the journals, I'm not so sure he wasn't also dellusional in the same way TK was or anyone who thinks taking out lots of people is OK. I suppose it's a fine line, but many people who engage in warfare (the IRA for example) do change over time and climb down from that mountain.

I'm not so sure that there wasn't a heavy does of mental illness here too.

[Blue-Jay]

53. Was killing me softly with his song on the list?

[Leopolds Ghost]

64. 22. Tidal Waves. 23. Earth Quakes 24. "HOT HAIL"

"I like to play with them first. Before annihilation. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"

[myrna minx]

63. Time Magazine's "Person of the Year: 2006"?!?!?

[Autumn]

67. He's not the only one. I don't scare easily.

Fuck that Bush shit. un rec

[quinnox]

69. wasn't scared before, and feel no safer now

sorry, fear mongering does nothing for me. Didn't feel scared before he was dead, and don't feel any safer now that he is dead. Nothing has changed.