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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:04 PM
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Statement to U.S. Senate commission from Harlyn Geronimo, a descendant of Apache Leader Geronimo
Edited on Mon May-09-11 04:32 PM by Better Believe It
This following statement is being submitted to the official record of the United States Senate Commission on Indian Affairs Oversight Hearing on "Stolen Identities: The Impact of Racist Stereotypes on Indigenous People,” taking place Thursday, May 5, 2011, at 2:15pm in Dirksen-628.

Statement from Harlyn Geronimo
on behalf of himself and other surviving lineal descendants
of the Historic Apache Leader Geronimo


Whether it was intended only to name the military operation to kill or capture Osama Bin Laden or to give Osama Bin Laden himself the code name Geronimo, either was an outrageous insult and mistake. And it is clear from the military records released that the name Geronimo was used at times by military personnel involved for both the military operation and for Osama Bin Laden himself.

Obviously to equate Geronimo with Osama Bin Laden is an unpardonable slander of Native America and its most famous leader in history.

And to call the operation to kill or capture Osama Bin Laden by the name Geronimo is such a subversion of history that it also defames a great human spirit and Native American leader. For Geronimo himself was the focus of precisely such an operation by the U.S. military, an operation that assured Geronimo a lasting place in American and human history.

The Encyclopedia Britannica (1967, Volume 10, page 362) has described the real Operation Geronimo in the following words:

During this last campaign, which lasted 18 months, no fewer than 5,000 troops and 500 Indian auxiliaries had been employed in the apprehension of a band of Apaches comprising only 35 men, 8 boys and 101 women, who operated in two countries without bases of supply. Army and civilian losses totaled 95; Mexican losses were heavy, but unknown; Geronimo’s losses were 13 killed, but none from direct U.S. Army action.

Geronimo was not killed and was not captured. After the Chiricahua Band of Apaches were taken from reservations in Arizona Territory and New Mexico to Ft. Marion, Florida, Geronimo and his warriors saw no chance of reuniting with their people except by surrender with the promise that they would be reunited with their tribe.

General Miles promised: "There is plenty of timber, water, and grass in the land to which I will send you. You will live with your tribe and with your family. If you agree to this treaty you shall see your family within five days." None of the promises were kept.

Nearly half the Chiricahua band, the band of Cochise, died in Florida and later in Alabama within several years before being moved to Ft. Sill, Oklahoma. Geronimo was held a prisoner of war for the remaining 23 years of his life, though he was a major attraction at the Louisiana Purchase Exposition in St. Louis in 1904 and was second only to President Elect Theodore Roosevelt in the applause received along the Inaugural Parade route of 1905.

But Geronimo died a prisoner of war at Ft. Sill in February 1909. His bodily remains, if none were removed as has been alleged, are to this day in the Ft. Sill Apache Prisoner of War Cemetery despite his repeated requests to return to the headwaters of the Gila River in the Gila National Forest and within what was the first forest wilderness area designated in the U.S., in western New Mexico.

As the son of a grandson of Geronimo, who as a U.S. soldier fought at Omaha Beach on D Day and across West Europe to the Rhine in World War II, and having myself served two tours of duty in Vietnam during that war, I must respectfully request from the President, our Commander-in-Chief, or his Secretary at the Department of Defense, a full explanation of how this disgraceful use of my great grandfather’s name occurred, a full apology for the grievous insult after all that Native Americans have suffered and the expungement from all the records of the U.S. government this use of the name Geronimo. Leaving only for history the fact this insult to Native Americans occurred in all its pity.

http://www.solidarity-us.org/current/node/3288

The above statement will be made part of a United States Senate Commission on Indian Affairs Oversight public hearing record and therefore is not copyrighted material. Please see the American Experience documentary on Geronimo at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x582198

See the May 5th Senate hearing at:

http://indian.senate.gov/hearings/hearing.cfm?hearingID=5172

BBI

See the American Experience documentary: "Geronimo and the Apache Resistance" at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x582198

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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:07 PM
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1. Whoever has unrecommended this should be ashamed of themselves.
How hypocritical.

K&R
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:14 PM
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4. Edit: responded to wrong post. nt
Edited on Mon May-09-11 04:15 PM by blondeatlast
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:36 PM
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36. "Smirk." - xCommander AWOL Bush (R - Skull & Boner Geronimo Skull Swipers)
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:10 PM
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2. Ignorant and insensitive, not an insult or a mistake
It's the same logic that makes people think that fat-assed drunken fucks at a ball game going "woo woo woo" to cheer on some team named after "Indians" isn't a problem.

The fact that no one, from the top down, thought this might be inappropriate tells us pretty much all we need to know about the treatment of Native Americans in this country.

An absolute disgrace.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:27 PM
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8. I watched video this weekend from soldiers who came back
from Iraq. One incredible speech by one of the soldiers, talked about racism in the military. He said it is rampant and in fact, deliberate. He said they have to 'hate' and 'dehumanize' the 'enemy', who are usually 'brown people' in order to be prepared to kill them.

He is now trying to recover from what he experienced and completely condemns the racism he was exposed to. Everyone should hear that speech.

This country has a long, long way to go before it overcomes the sickness of racism.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:33 PM
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11. It's gross and sometimes it seems purposeful. Rumsfeld
Edited on Mon May-09-11 04:34 PM by EFerrari
went to Ft. Carson and exhorted his audience to be Kit Carsons:

snip

This, of course, is a spectacular part of our great nation and it reflects the American spirit, so I'm pleased that ministers from 27 nations will be able to see and experience this part of our country for themselves.

Fort Carson, of course, is named for one of the most celebrated heroes of the American West, Christopher Kit Carson, the mountain man, agent to the local population, a hunter, soldier, a volunteer, a guide. He was bold, he was courageous, he was innovative, and that sounds to me like a lot of you folks here today.

In the global war on terror, U.S. forces, including thousands from this base, have lived up to the legend of Kit Carson: fighting terrorists in the mountains of Afghanistan, hunting the remnants of the deadly regime in Iraq, working with local populations to help secure victory, and every one of you, like Kit Carson, a volunteer.

http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=3009
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SoCalNative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:14 PM
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3. Some people
need to get over it
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:26 PM
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7. Like some people need to get over Prop H8?
It's pretty easy to dismiss harm caused to other people. That takes no talent at all.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 08:58 PM
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37. What if their code name had been Harvey Milk for Bin Laden?
Would you tell the gay community to 'get over it'?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:09 PM
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41. Or "M.L. King" for bin Laden?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:19 PM
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5. We were ignorant and stupid. We need to be big enough to apologize, do our best
not to be ignorant and insulting again. It really isn't difficult.

Ah, well. Cue the "I have Natice American friends who think this is silly" crowd in 3, 2, 1...

Recommended.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:35 PM
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14. They think it's silly, because
it is silly.

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:38 PM
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16. What's silly about it? Why are YOU taking offense at something that
hurts others but doesn't affect you?

The defensiveness is what's silly.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:49 PM
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21. Does the waste of bandwidth count as "hurt"?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:19 PM
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28. Why do YOU take such offense that you bother to weigh in on it?
Answer the question. Like I said, it isn't that difficult.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:30 PM
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35. Oh no, I don't take offense at all
I just think it's silly.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:45 PM
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19. Supposed they'd labeled either the target or completeion "Martin Luther King" or John F. Kennedy."
Would you say the same thing?
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:07 PM
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25. I would have been proud to have my own family name associated with this successful mission.
See, it's all in how you look at it.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:13 PM
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26. I would not like my family name used to describe a terrorist, Osama bin Laden.
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HubertHeaver Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:15 PM
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27. Martin Luther King's code name was "Zorro"
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:21 PM
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29. The government wasn't trying to murder Dr. King.
And unlike Osama bin Laden, Zorro was a non-terrorist fictional character so I just don't get the connection.

:shrug:
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:47 PM
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30. Oh yes they were and yes they did.
There was an impartial jury that reached a http://classic-web.archive.org/web/20070317211231/http://www.thekingcenter.org/tkc/trial/Volume14.html">verdict on December 8, 1999, in the wrongful death civil trial by the King family against Loyd Jowers and "other unknown co-conspirators" that found Jowers liable and that governmental agencies were parties to the assassination plot.

But like you, I don't understand the connection with Zorro.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:22 PM
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6. Rec'd, but stayed the same.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:29 PM
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9. Recommend
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:32 PM
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10. Obama Bad Obama Bad Obama Bad
The search for an "Obama Bad" meme continues.

Obama kills OBL, but we should be outraged that the code names used are "wrong".

The outrage machine runs on any fuel it can obtain.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:34 PM
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12. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:38 PM
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15. I have to put you on ignore for yet another personal attack.

It seems you'd rather engage in such bahavior rather than civil debate and discussion.

And here you once again have nothing to write regarding the testimony and instead engage in a personal attack.

Bye.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:43 PM
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18. Cool Beans.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:58 PM
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23. Where do you get off claiming that reposting the same thing over and over
makes one a "one trick pony??"

I suspect that the author of this OP will have a totally different reason to call out Obama next week. Thus finding a new pony to ride.

I have to say that in this situation, after Obama kills OBL, if the best one can come up with to attack Obama, is the name of the operation, the pony involved is rather small and insignificant.

But fun to point at and laugh, like at the county fair.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:05 PM
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24. +1
Like clockwork.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:34 PM
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13. The code name "Geronimo" wasn't simply "wrong". It was a big insult to Native Americans
Edited on Mon May-09-11 04:39 PM by Better Believe It
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:52 PM
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22. And it's not an isolated one coming from the same military
that did its best to liberate them from life on earth.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:42 PM
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17. Why the concerted effort to downplay this issue? why such defensiveness
Edited on Mon May-09-11 04:44 PM by blondeatlast
among those with no dog in the fight?

We're being asked to be adults, apologize for a hurt borne of ignorance rather than intention, and to learn from it.

Is that so goddamned difficult?

Edit: not directed at the OP, who annoys me as often as I agree with him/her. :shrug:
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:49 PM
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20. This Great Grandson of Geronimo deserves an apology.
If he finds it offensive, then it's offensive. k/r
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:55 PM
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31. 'Geronimo' use in bin Laden mission prompts group to offer counseling
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:56 PM
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32. For someone who thinks it's a "waste of bandwidth" you certainly are spending
a lot of time on the issue.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:22 PM
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33. It was your charm, and charisma
that done it.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:29 PM
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34. You;re too kind. Really. Thanks so much. nt
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 09:22 PM
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38. Geronimo descendant slams use of name for bin Laden



Geronimo descendant slams use of name for bin Laden
May 5, 2011

WASHINGTON (AFP) – A great grandson of Geronimo furious over use of the Native American warrior's name as military code took his grievance to US lawmakers Thursday, demanding they expunge the moniker from the raid that killed Osama bin Laden.

"Whether it was intended only to name the military operation to kill or capture Osama bin Laden or to give Osama bin Laden himself the code name Geronimo, either was an outrageous insult and mistake," Harlyn Geronimo, who served two tours in a US military uniform in Vietnam, said in a statement.

"And to call the operation to kill or capture Osama bin Laden by the name Geronimo is such a subversion of history that it also defames a great human spirit and Native American leader," he added.

Native Americans have complained that use of the name Geronimo in the bin Laden operation linked them to a mass murderer who was one of the most reviled enemies of the United States.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110505/pl_afp/usattacksbinladennativegeronimohistory_20110505181105
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 09:32 PM
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39. K&R (almost invisible)
Edited on Mon May-09-11 09:33 PM by inna
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:15 PM
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40. lol, invisible after all
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:17 PM
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42. kr nt
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