President Obama: "Geronimo was the code name for bin Laden"

[Better Believe It]

President Obama just said that duirng the "60 Minutes" interview.

That ends the "debate" on what the code name "Geronimo" stood for.

Some have insisted "Geronimo" was just the code name for the military operation and not the code name for Osama bin Laden.

[Zynx]

1. And.....?

[Brickbat]

2. Is there anything new about the military or administration reaching out to those who objected?

[Better Believe It]

6. Not that I'm aware of.

[bbinacan]

7. Reaching out?

For what? This PC bullshit is getting to be too much!

[Brickbat]

12. If someone says they're offended, is it "PC" to listen to them?

Or, you know, common courtesy?

[Better Believe It]

14. I don't agree with your disrespectful attack on Native American organizations.

Belittling Native Americans who objected to using the term "Geronimo" to describe Osama bin Laden demonstrates more disrespect of American Indians and their history.

I believe they are owed a sincere apology by the administration

[cherish44]

22. Apologies are rarely sincere if they are demanded

BTW I'm Native American and I don't need an apology for this. If anything I'm GRATEFUL and want to say THANK YOU to those who were instrumental in accomplishing this mission!

[Kahuna]

16. If you're talking about the peanut gallery, he said....

Anybody who thinks obl got anything other than what he deserved, need to have their heads examined. :patriot:

[L. Coyote]

47. That was the most shocking thing said, and an insult to a lot of clear-minded thinkers

who believe in the rule of law, indictments, arrest warrants, and trials for crimes, proof beyond a reasonable doubt, yata, yata, you know, the foundation of civilization stuff.

"Disagree with me and you are nuts" said in that tone is not an appropriate message for an authority figure.
What, are political opponents about to go to a Guantanamo without trials? Oh wait, they already do that.

[bbinacan]

3. So what's the point? n/t

[JoePhilly]

19. Obama Bad Obama Bad Obama Bad

That is the point. Its always the point.

[L. Coyote]

50. You need to ask?

That makes you the same as those who came up with this idea, ignorant at the very least.

[Obamanaut]

4. Oh, good. Now that this is settled, there should only be a couple dozen

new OPs on the subject, then we can move on to the next 'outrage du jour'.

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[Obamanaut]

15. You've said goodbye and waved 'ignore' several times before, you tease.

As to voting for a candidate - I don't vote for incumbents, especially in the primaries.

If an incumbent has not lined his/her pockets sufficiently in one term, too bad. Let a newby belly up to the trough and feed. People speak of term limits, and keep the same weasels in the same seat for dozens of years. I disagree with that.

[seabeyond]

5. since i didnt watch, was anything else said. or did he just say G was code for obl? nt

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[seabeyond]

10. i cant respond to the comment unless i have more facts. regardless, an applause to obama

for being honest. people have issue with obama yet continually and regardless he has been straight. all the people that dont like the man needs to respect him for that, at the very least

but, without more info, that is as far as i can go

[BOHICA12]

29. Nothing else was broadcast

... and the President didn't seem apologetic or anything but matter of fact.

Dollars to donut holes he had no input on code names - I bet Geronimo was left over from earlier searches.

[seabeyond]

40. appreciate the info.

i am sure he didnt have anything to do with it. at the least, i believe the military apologized and maybe they wont use that as a codename. thanks.

[L. Coyote]

48. Maybe someone in Skull and Bones came up with this code name, you know who

... the grandson of the idiot who dug up and robbed Geronimo's skull!!

[SidDithers]

+1...nt

Sid

[Better Believe It]

11. You didn't watch the interview!!!??? Well, I certainly did along with most progressives I'm sure.

"did he just say G was code for obl?"

That's not a serious question.

However, I don't have a transcript of the interview but if you really are interested in Obama's interview you can go on over to the "60 Minutes" website for more information and the White House may post the full interview transcript.

The interview didn't reveal much that we didn't already know from news reports on the details of the operation itself. President Obama's comment did clear up the confusion that you and others may have had on what the code name "Geronimo" represented.

Now has this matter been cleared up to your satisfaction?

[seabeyond]

17. you cannot share if he said anything besides ... G code for obl? really? beyond you?

then razz me for not seeing itnerview? think maybe i was doing something else? allowed? no? whatever.

then razz me if i am serious that all he stated G code for obl. ya, serious question. but seems to be beyond you answering.

grow up

oh

applaud obama for how consistently straight he is.

and if he apologized for it, which i dont know because you refuse to share anything else, .... applaud him for that. he is one classy dude

[dems_rightnow]

38. I fell asleep watching it.

Sorry, I just did. Do I have to stop voting progressive now?

[DevonRex]

13. Well I Suwannee. And bless your little ole heart.

[dionysus]

44. i am so sad that our president hates indians. and poor OBL even gave bunny rabbits to children!

the horror.

:hi:

[DevonRex]

56. And OBL grew pot so he's cool, man!!

[JoePhilly]

18. Clutch pearls and then off to the fainting couch, I guess ... again.

[cherokeeprogressive]

20. I guess it's time to talk impeachment, then. n/t

[Better Believe It]

28. It's time to talk respect .... respect for Native Americans.

[Terra Alta]

30. +1

I am half Native American, and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't offended by this somewhat. Couldn't another code name have been used?

[L. Coyote]

49. And, it is time to recognize how nations are built on war, genocides, and conquests, AND

how important it is to honor those brave enough to fight oppression and invasion by superior forces.

Face facts, the USA invaded Ohio and exterminated the Natives, then invaded the next tribe, and the next tribe, and the next tribe, the next tribe, and the next tribe, and the next tribe, the next tribe, and the next tribe, and the next tribe, the next tribe, and the next tribe, and the next tribe, the next tribe, and the next tribe, and the next tribe, the next tribe, and the next tribe, and the next tribe, the next tribe, and the next tribe, and the next tribe, the next tribe, and the next tribe, and the next tribe, the next tribe, and the next tribe, and the next tribe, the next tribe, and the next tribe, and the next tribe, the next tribe, and the next tribe, and the next tribe, the next tribe, and the next tribe, and the next tribe, the next tribe, and the next tribe, and the next tribe, the next tribe, and the next tribe, and the next tribe, the next tribe, and the next tribe, and the next tribe, the next tribe, and the next tribe, and the next tribe, the next tribe, and the next tribe, and the next tribe,

and then had to go to Hawaii to invade another one.

Geeee, funny how some people in the world don't like having the US military in their countries. Where does that come from?

[Enrique]

21. they'll walk it back tomorrow

if there's too much criticism, the press secretary will "clarify" the matter in his press briefing.

[Alenne]

23. Oh Em Gee!!!! nt

[donheld]

24. I heard that a week ago - where you been?

[Bobbie Jo]

25. Please stop.

Seriously.

[alarimer]

26. The real Geronimo was NOT a terrorist.

It's a fucking insult to Native Americans to use that as a code for OBL.

[Terra Alta]

32. Thank you.

Do we really want to go back to the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, when Native Americans actually were considered terrorists by many people? I think an apology is in order here -- but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting on one.

[Zhade]

46. Indeed.

I'm guessing Obama didn't pick it, which just reveals the problem is inherent in the black ops/military establishment itself.

The classy thing to do would be to apologize and make it clear no offense was intended.

I'm not really pissed at Obama about this, but it would be a good gesture.

[Orsino]

51. Yes.

Insensitive. Did the planners seriously believe that this code name would never become public?

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[coalition_unwilling]

33. You see, children, Geronimo

was a 'savage' who lived in 'Indian Country'. Osama bin Laden was a 'savage' who lived in 'Indian Country' (military's colloquial term for Af-Pak theater). So why is everyone getting his or her knickers in a twist?

:sarcasm:

[Obamanaut]

35. What is also hilarious is that 'a single person' can be pointed to and

it be said that 'that is the Geronimo of whom we speak', when Geronimo is a fairly popular surname worldwide (many have it), and it is derived from Italian and Greek, making multiple derivatives possible.

Why are not the descendants and/or followers of ALL PREVIOUS men named Geronimo (or a derivative) up in arms? Why just the one?

[Shagbark Hickory]

34. None of them can get their stories straight. Like a bunch of teens getting busted smoking pot. nt

[Better Believe It]

36. Now that was a really funny and accurate analogy!

:rofl:

[Bobbie Jo]

45. Fits your narrative, but funny?

Keep plugging away!

[Better Believe It]

37. See the full TV interview and read the interview transcript at:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_162-20060530-10391709.html?tag=watchnow

[Swede]

39. Oh no! Oh please god,no!

:shrug:

[marions ghost]

41. Now he should apologize

but he probably won't because in America everybody operates on the principle of NEVER APOLOGIZE. Because if you do, it's an admission of guilt.

It drives me crazy how people won't say they're sorry for even the smallest thing in this country, much less bigger things.

[Obamanaut]

42. For what? If the code name had been "Lewis", would we expect

an outcry from descendants of Meriwether Lewis?

"Geronimo" is not an uncommon surname. How can the descendants of any one of them say with certainty that the name used was that of *their* ancestor?

How would an apology be worded? "I am sorry you took offense." Would that do it, or must there be some groveling.

[Better Believe It]

43. A good and reasonable analogy would be using the code name "Malcolm X" or "M.L. King" for bin Laden

I assume you think those code names for Osama bin Laden would also have been just wonderful.

Is that right?

Show some respect for Native American heros and history.

[Obamanaut]

53. The names you used are not surnames, so they are not a good and reasonable

analogy.

Should one expect everyone with a "Geronimo" in the family tree to go to the WH demanding an apology? "It was MY ancestor you insulted, not hers, or his, or theirs, or his. Mine!"

I cannot generate outrage where none is due.

[marions ghost]

54. In a country that does not ever do apologies

a simple apology would be phenomenal.

"We're sorry, it was a mistake to use a name traditionally associated with an American Indian." That's all that is expected.

Surnames such as Lewis aren't applicable. "Geronimo" in America means famous Native American.

The problem I see is with all these people who act like an apology is a big deal. If Indians have expressed offense in writing, then why not allow them to feel offended--instead of invalidating their
claims as though they truly don't matter? The right thing to do when one has offended is apologize for something that can never be retracted.

It's really that simple.

[Iggo]

52. I just don't care.

[Hubert Flottz]

55. I have been wondering IF...

code name "Geronimo" was left over from the Skull&Bonehead's Commander in Chimp, from down on the Lazy W hog farm/Western White House?

Could W have been stalking another "Geronimo" drinking skull for the boys back at the crypt?