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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:10 PM
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Mass. High School Coach Jobless After His Boys Track Team Goes Topless
Edited on Sun May-08-11 04:13 PM by marmar
NECN: Westwood, Mass.) - The Westwood, Massachusetts High School boys track coach has been fired. The reason? He says its because members of his team decided to train without their shirts on.

Tom Davis says the issue of the boys running shirtless had been around for some time. He claims he made repeated attempts to discuss it with school administrators and the Athletic Director. Instead of talking to him about it, Davis says he was fired in front of his runners.

"The kids on my team, it was terrible. Their faces, just pure disgust, pure fear," says Davis. "I fully 100 percent was expecting to be swung at. Everyone and people were witnessing this objectively. It was really hostile."

The Superintendent of Westwood schools is telling a different story. ...........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.necn.com/05/05/11/Coach-says-he-was-fired-because-team-ran/landing_newengland.html?blockID=517735&feedID=4206



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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:14 PM
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1. Page not found
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:14 PM
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2. I replaced it with a story where the link works.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:15 PM
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3. I finally got it up...
The complete article:

NECN: Westwood, Mass.) - The Westwood, Massachusetts High School boys track coach has been fired. The reason? He says its because members of his team decided to train without their shirts on.

Tom Davis says the issue of the boys running shirtless had been around for some time. He claims he made repeated attempts to discuss it with school administrators and the Athletic Director. Instead of talking to him about it, Davis says he was fired in front of his runners.

"The kids on my team, it was terrible. Their faces, just pure disgust, pure fear," says Davis. "I fully 100 percent was expecting to be swung at. Everyone and people were witnessing this objectively. It was really hostile."

The Superintendent of Westwood schools is telling a different story.

John Antonucci released a statement: "Friday's decision to relieve Mr. Davis of his duties was not the result of a single incident, but rather the regrettable outcome of an ongoing discussion. It is my responsibility to ensure that our employees implement programs in a way that is consistent with the overall mission of the Westwood Public Schools."


...not much more to add.
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digonswine Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:15 PM
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4. Maybe if the student died of heat exhaustion,
he'd be fired for adhering to the dress code. But really, we did shirts and skins in gym class. I'm 37-has so much changed? I thought we were generally less ashamed of our hideous naked selves.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:26 AM
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48. We also did shirts-and-skins in high school
Edited on Mon May-09-11 06:28 AM by Art_from_Ark
back in the '70s. No different from being at the swimming pool, really.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:16 PM
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5. Clearly, there's a lot more going on here than what's in the story. But it does sound bizarre, no
matter what the backstory is.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:17 PM
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6. Why does it seem like only the stupidest people
become school administrators?
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digonswine Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:19 PM
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7. I don't know if that's the case, but
it always makes me wonder when the young(ish) teachers at school are so interested to be in admin. Why did they get into teaching? Please don't assume a broad-brush insult to admins here, by the way.
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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:54 PM
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17. in a lot of cases, the money is better and you have to put up with less bullshit
I'm not a teacher, but I have family members who are.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:18 AM
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45. You get to CREATE the bullshit.
Others have to deal with it.

And, of course, the hours are better.
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franzia99 Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:25 PM
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9. There are a lot of stupid people working for school districts b/c of the low pay
There are plenty of good people who work for school districts too. Anytime you pay people poorly, you're going to have to settle for having some idiots as employees. Thank god there are some good people willing to take the low pay because they care.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 10:15 PM
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38. plenty of high-paid people are idiots. pay scale has nothing to do with it.
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:27 PM
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10. The boys could run in singlets. I never run without some form of
shirt on to regulate moisture. Running without a shirt is purely macho, more efficient running can be done in technical shirts.
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franzia99 Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 05:01 PM
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23. This singlet leaves nothing to the imagination (link)
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 01:24 PM
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52. It's part of the job requirement.
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franzia99 Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:21 PM
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8. I don't agree with firing him. However, girls can't go topless.
Edited on Sun May-08-11 04:22 PM by franzia99
I can see why they would want to eliminate the double standard. At my high school this was the reason given for why the boys teams couldn't train topless. Shit, what school would even let the girls train in sports bras? I've never ever seen it.

They should revise their policies though. I never like to see anyone get fired. Especially not over something stupid like this. They may have just been trying to find any reason to get rid of school employees because of budget cuts.
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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:57 PM
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18. Or an ongoing personality clash. Or to make room for somebody's brother in law who wanted the job nt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:58 PM
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19. i swam competitively for 2 decades. girls had suit cover whole body. boys, just the crotch. is
that "unfair"
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GKirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 09:13 PM
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32. Guys got to wear swim trunks at your school?
We swam naked.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 10:15 PM
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37. lol. ah ha. well, actually more competitive than mere high school. was those cute speedos...
Edited on Sun May-08-11 10:16 PM by seabeyond
no trunks for our guys. tell ya, if a person grows up in a sports, swimming is it.

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tinymontgomery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 06:45 PM
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28. Girls can't go topless on a beach either
Most beaches anyway. I guess boys and all guys should start wearing shits. In full disclosure I wear one now for various reason's.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 09:54 PM
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34. We trained in sports bras.
They had to be the tank-style ones and had to cover at least two inches below the breast area. (I can't remember exactly how it was phrased.)

And before you ask how long ago it was and what sport it was: twenty years ago, give or take, and it was track and cross country.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 10:13 PM
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36. Does that go for the swim team as well? nt
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GKirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:40 PM
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11. The use of the word 'topless' in the headline
seems to have a sexual connotation. I would think that the proper term
for a boy without a shirt would be 'shirtless'.
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franzia99 Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:42 PM
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12. Nah, I think topless is appropriate. That's what we'd say about a girl.
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GKirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:45 PM
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14. You're right it is what we would say
about a girl. I have run shirtless before; I've never and no one else has ever referred to it as going topless.
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franzia99 Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:49 PM
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15. It's topless. No one wants to see your big ole tittays and armpit hair.
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GKirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:51 PM
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16. I surrender
Edited on Sun May-08-11 04:54 PM by GKirk
:)

I might have to retract. I clicked on the article and it uses the term 'shirtless'.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:17 AM
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46. Except we DO NOT use that term for males. EVER.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:43 PM
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13. Topless---T-O-P-L-E-S-S
Ronnie Mund
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 05:00 PM
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21. son and his team run topless all ovr town. old men yell at them all the time calling them names
Edited on Sun May-08-11 05:00 PM by seabeyond
crude, vulgar names.

they also ran about the guys short, running shorts

meh
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GKirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 05:00 PM
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20. Can someone tell me...
...what this is about? I don't get it.

"The kids on my team, it was terrible. Their faces, just pure disgust, pure fear," says Davis. "I fully 100 percent was expecting to be swung at. Everyone and people were witnessing this objectively. It was really hostile."
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 05:01 PM
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22. The AD didn't fire the Coach over the shirtless incident.



It was the strawberries.

The Athletic Director proved beyond a shadow of a doubt and with geometric
logic that the Coach was responsible for the missing strawberries.





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GKirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 06:00 PM
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25. And just so you know
at least one person got your movie reference.
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 06:18 PM
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26. At least two. :-)
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tinymontgomery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 06:42 PM
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27. Three,
did the coach hold the balls like Queeg?
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 08:00 PM
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31. What a performance that was. Watching the madness in Queeg's eyes and the
constant,obsessive rolling of those balls.

One of the best books and movies ever.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 05:54 PM
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24. Oh brother... [facepalm] . In high school our coach...
In high school our coach would make us choose up sides in football practice as "Shirts" and "Skins"... because we couldn't afford uniforms.

I don't recall any rapists or serial killers coming from the Skins team....?

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Moondog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 06:46 PM
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29. There has GOT to be more to this story . . . .
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 09:50 PM
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33. Yes. Sexual discrimination regulations
Now, I went to High School in the 1970s, but in that time period the US Supreme Court had to decide various issues involving sexual discrimination since the 1964 Civil Rights Act included sex among the protected classes of people. Unlike Racial Discrimination which had been widely discussed in Congress as the 1964 Act was being discussed, Sexual Discrimination was NOT even mentioned. The ban on Sexual discrimination had been proposed by a long term supporter of equal rights for women, but was voted into the 1964 Act by people who wanted to kill the act (Between the Senators who were filibustering against the 1964 Civil Rights Act AND those handful of Senators who wanted to end discrimination based on sex, the word sex was added to the bill that became the 1964 Civil Rights Act, but no one debated what Congress intended by adding Sex to the list of protected classes of people).

Thus, neither the Civil Rights Commission nor the Courts knew what Congress intended when the term sex was added (And Congress did not either, it was just added). There are basic physical differences between the sexes and Congress gave NO guidance to how the Commission or the Courts were to address that issue. The Courts were ready, willing and able to address the issue of sex as to work and education when the physical differences were not a factor, but what if they are? Do we want teenage women dressing and showering with teenage boys? The Commission and the courts have said no. Can employers discriminate against women, when it is accepted that all of the ovaries a woman had is produced while she is in her mother's womb and thus such ovaries can be contaminated by lead while a woman is working in a battery factory? i.e. the employer says no women, because women, unlike men (whose sperm only survive three days) can contaminate their ovaries with lead, while the women work in the lead factory? AND the courts are clear, if a child produced by those ovaries is found to have been affected by the lead, such a victim of lead poisoning could sue the employer for damages, even if conceived and born decades after the time the mother of said child worked in that lead factory? The Trial Court and the Court of Appeals said YES, The Supreme Court said NO. The Supreme Court rationale was simple, the law is the law and the Court should not speculate based on what may happen in the future, even if all the employer is doing is trying to protect itself long term.

Discrimination by the US Military is NOT covered by the 1964 Civil Rights Act, so such discrimination is permitted by act of Congress, but Schools and most Educational institutions do NOT have such an exemption to the Civil Rights Act. Even in the Military dissemination is restricted, for example the Military can NOT require women to wear bars, without requiring men to wear bars, but on the other hand if the female soldiers decides to wear a bra, ass long as it is permitted no matter your sex, it is permitted.

This brings me to "Shirt" and "Skins" what we called ourselves when I was in Men Gym. "Shirt" if you were told to keep your tee-shirt on, Skins if you were told to take it off so everyone can see who was on what team. In the 1970s still used in my high school and various other high schools. The problem is if you permit one sex to do so, you must permit BOTH sexes to do so. Thus if women want to go topless, they must be permitted of the men are allowed to go topless. If I was advising a School, I would advise the school to avoid the whole issue of sexual discrimination by requiring ALL students, no matter their sex, to wear shirts. If you permit the males to go "Shirtless" and then forbid the females to go "Shirtless" that is a clear case of Sexual discrimination.

Now, the 1970s you did not even hear of such claims, thus my school continued to do "Shirt" and "Skins" for male gym, but as you get into the 1980s and 1990s there were women in High School who demanded the RIGHT to do the same i.e. go topless. The Supreme Court has permitted discrimination against women based on PHYSICAL DIFFERENCES (i.e. separate showers, men can NOT try for the FEMALE sports teams, job requirements set based on male physical capacities which most women, and some men, can NOT meet, example is being able to pull an 150 pound man by yourself 50 feet, a requirement upheld by the Civil Service Commission even through most young men could do it, but most young women could not AND older males could not, but the test was for new recruits NOT people already in a Suburban Police Force).

Yes, equal rights but based on MALE STANDARDS, can be used against women if you can somehow make an argument it is somehow job related (it does not even have to be a good argument, just a "Reasonable" one).

While some discrimination based on sex is legal, how can you put a ban on women going topless in your school, when the men can do so in Gym Class? How is that related to how WOMEN and MEN do physical things (and Sex is NOT one of the things to be taken into consideration)?

Sorry, if I was advising the School, I would NEVER permit males to go topless, for people will object to women going topless AND you can not forbid female going topless, if males can go topless. Thus the only effective ban is one that BANS BOTH SEXES FROM GOING TOPLESS.

This seems to be the reason, the School is trying to OBEY the law and avoid any sexual discrimination lawsuit, or worse complaints from parents about female students going topless in the School WITHOUT the School having the ability to forbid such female students from going topless.

Sorry, this teacher is probably violated a long term policy (since at least the 1990s) adopted by the Principal, the School Superintendent and probably even the School Board. He is exposing his employer to possible legal action that the School had made every effort to avoid.

The worse part of all of this is this teacher will NOT even get Unemployment benefits, for willful misconduct, i.e. violating a known rule of his employer, is grounds to be denied unemployment.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 10:11 PM
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35. On the burqa threads, I frequently bring up gender inequality of laws regarding clothing
People love to say "people should be free to wear whatever they want!" but the reality is that we have been regulating what people can and cannot wear in public for a very, very long time, in some very specific detail. This case is another in a long line of cases whereby its obvious that we care very much about what is perceived as normal in public, and what is not.

This case shows that we are a society that is still deeply conflicted over clothing in the public square. Thanks for the legal perspective.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 01:14 PM
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50. The main reason people wear clothes is to tell others who they are.
Until the invention of artificial dyes in the 1860s, you could tell the wealth of person by the mere color of his clothes in addition to how much of it was sewed. As late as my father's youth (the 1920s) it was common for pre-school MALES to be wearing dresses, for they were simpler to make then pants (as children come to see what they sex are, males tend to reject dresses completely in the western world thus by the time most males are in first grade they are wearing pants or shorts instead of dresses for that is what all the other boys they know are wearing, this was the case even in the days of hand sewing).

Now, if you study the American West (and what I mean by the term "American West" I include the Colonial time period) during the Colonial time period (and until the widespread adoption of the sewing machine in the late 1800s), men and boys went around in "Hunting shirts" (i.e. Long shirts down to their thighs, about the length of modern coats and suit tops) AND leggings that reached up and were overlapped by the long shirts. In the few pictures of frontier men you did not see any skin (and in the movies the leggings are made to be pants) but the combination performed the same function as pants without any of the sewing needed in the "Crotch" area. The Hunting shirt needed the sleeves sewed on, and then the two sides (Such Hunting Shirts did NOT have pockets or collars). The Leggings, were sewed up on one side, and held onto the thighs by belts (Either around the top of each leggings or to the hunting shirt, if not both).

The reason for such dress was simple, it was the easiest thing to sew and still give the impression of a man in pants. With the invention and adoption of the Sewing Machine, pants became the norm even for farm and hunting work (Pants became what you wore to Church and to town long before that date, but kept back for those occasions given the extra work needed to sew them and this the extra cost in the time of hand sewing only).

We do NOT have many reports on such leggings and long shirts, for the simple reason every one knew of their use and it was common (i.e. we do NOT have to many reports of people going to the "Rest room" either, for the same reason, everyone did it, it was so common no one thought of wasting good linen paper to write down such events unless it related to something more important. An example of that was a plan to kidnapped Benedict Arnold after his defection to the British, the plan involved capturing him when he went to the garden every night at the same time every night, the reason Arnold went to the garden was unstated, for everyone reading it at that time period knew the garden was also where the toilets were).

Dyes, prior to the 1860s, were expensive, indigo was the most common dye and thus blue was the favorite color of the time period (and was avoided by Rich people for it implied you did not have enough money to pay for more expensive dyes, thus after the defeat of the former King of England James II in Ireland, the troops of King William and Mary, took off the red coats of King James men and wore them themselves to show they were BRITISH troops and could afford Red Dye instead of Blue). Blue dye became the color of the lower classes and people who had support of the lower classes (Thus the term "True Blue" was meant you supported the Puritans who adopted blue as their color for it was the dye of the working class and the Puritans wanted the working class on their side, Red became the color of the supporters of the Kings of England, for it cost more to produce).

Side Note: Imperial Purple, the color of the Imperial Roman Emperors, was a rich deep Violent AND very expensive. It was the color only the top elite of the Ancient World could wear and did so till what is now Israeli feel to the Arabs in the 600s. Then, it fell out of use under the reforms of Emperor Heraclitus (Considered the first "Byzantine Emperor", the Eastern Empire in 600 AD was still an Empire of the Roman Elite with a mercenary army and the Roman Elite owning much of the Valuable lands of the Empire. By 650, Egypt, Syria, Palestine and Carthage were all lost, thus losing most of the land controlled by the former Roman elite. The Roman Army had been converted from a Mercenary Army to one based on the duty to serve in the Army in exchange for use of land i.e. what we call Feudalism. This conversion permitted the Byzantine Empire to field an army without the high taxes common in the late Roman Empire. For the common farmers it meant Military duties, but low taxes AND a promise (mostly kept) that their land would remain in their family.

Among the other Changes during that time period, was the shift from Egyptian Bread for the City of Constantinople to Bread from the Ukraine. Another change was the shift from Roman style of eating meals (Seen in most toga flicks to this day) to one of eating meals at a table with both Men and Women sitting at the same table (Also the start of the Shift in Religious observance of males on one side and women and children on the other side of the Church to one where families stayed together, i.e. Husband, Wife and Children together as opposed to Husbands being with other adult males, while the Women and Children were on the other side of the Church, through the shift was NOT complete till the late Middle ages c1300). Pants for men became the normal in this time period, do to the increase is the use of Cavalry (Through this seems to have started in the 500s, Historians use to say the 300s but recent research indicate that the Roman Army of the 300s were overwhelmingly Infantry, the shift to Cavalry was underway, but of minor concern till the reforms of Heraclitus).

I bring up the 600s for it is like the late 1700s and early 1800s, what was the norm before then, changed radically afterward. Roman Style had been relatively stable from the days of the last Punic War (c150 BC) till the time of the Arab Conquest (c630). Then it disappeared, replaced by the new norms adopted in response to the Slavic Invasions of the 600s deep into the Balkans and even Greece, more so then even the Arab Conquest of the same time period. The long Togas and Tunics of Roman times were replaced by the Trousers of the Dark Ages. In some aspects the old Roman Dress survived, but only in ceremonial clothing (The Dress of the Roman Period survived enough to be worn by the Emperor Charlemagne when he visited Rome, but Charlemagne appears NEVER to wear such clothing outside of Rome. The main shift seems to be the fact that do to the various attacks on the Roman Empire, the power of the Wealthy decline drastically while the power of the peasants increased, thus it was no longer possible for many of the rich to afford what their ancestors could afford just 100 years before. This change in economics lead to change in dress.

The same thing happened in the early 1800s and late 1700s, pre-revolutionary France had seen a huge increase in the wealth of the elite of France, then a subsequent decline in that wealth under the Republic and the Empire (at the same time the money going to the lower classes, including the Peasants increased for the first time in centuries). Many of the lower levels of French elite could no longer afford the servants to do the leggings and dress of the 1700s by the 1800s, so the style of the 1700s was replaced by the much more simpler dress of the mid-1800s, which in turn was replaced by modern dress do to the introduction of artificial dyes AND the Sewing machine (For example, men shirts, for the first time in history, started to have pockets as more and more women obtained and started to use sewing machines, pockets took up to much time if hand sewed, but a quick add on if done by machine).

Thus since the mid 1800s, it has been hard to tell the rich from the poor just based on clothing. The traditional changes, dyes and style, just do not work, it is the same dyes and sewing effort to make a business suit as to make jeans and denim jackets. Shirts are easy to sew, thus, except for tee-shirts, tend to cost to produce about the same (In higher end shirts, sold in higher end stores, the higher price tends to be more a product of marketing then actual cost to produce).

Now, the Burka, was and is a functional dress, air flows through the Burka thus minimize overheating. It is simple to sew, thus the main cost is the material not the labor to produce the Burka. Given the push to look western over the last 100-150 years even in the Middle East, the Burka is a statement, that the wearer supports tradition. It is a political Statement to wear a Burka, just like it is a Political statement to ware modern western dress in the Middle East.

Now, during the switch in dress of the 600s and the late 1700s, wearing old fashion style was also a political statement, wearing old style clothing meant you supported how things were done in the past. Wearing the New Style was a political statement that you supported change. We saw that again in the 1960s, men wore long hair and jeans to show rejection of the "Tradition" of fighting the Cold war AND the restrictions of the 1950s (other men showed their support for that tradition by wearing crew cuts and Dress pants to show support for those "Traditions". By the 1980s things had changed back, almost all men were wearing hair short AND dress pants (The Three piece suit even made a come back in the 1980s and lasted to the 1990s when the vest was done away with to cut costs, then the return of the three button tunic what was the style of men business suits after 2000). Jeans fell by the wayside, for it was no longer a political statement to wear jeans, it had become to common to wear jeans by the late 1970s. During the Coal Strike of the 1980s BDUs became the "color" of the strikers, but after that strike was adopted by Right Wing Elements to show their support for military solutions to economic problems (The Militia are still active, I am one of those people that believe the army decision to drop BDUs colors and replace the Teri-color Forest camouflage with "Digital" camouflage was influenced by how wide spread the old northern Forest BDU camouflage had been adopted by Right wing Militia Groups).

I went into the above details to show that what we wear is often a Political Statement, Blue in the 1600s was support for the Puritans, in the late 1700s Blue became the color of the American Revolution for it was a Color of the working class. The adoption of pants by the Byzantine empire was not only a reflection of the adopting of Cavalry as the main force in the Military, but also a political statement that you accepted the changes of the 600s in Europe. A similar political statement was made when the Pants replaced the leggings of the 1700s during the French Revolution. It reflected the reality of the situation on the ground AND acceptance of the political changes of 1775-1815. Clothing is not to keep people from appearing naked (which itself may be a political statement) but also to show who you are and what you support. What can show support can vary over time, but it is still a factor in what we wear.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 07:13 PM
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30. OK, you guys on the left are shirts. The others are skins.
Play ball!

WTF?

Now, I truly believe that the girls should be able to go topless, too. In fact, when I was in high school, I would have encouraged that. These days, I'd have to avert my eyes, I suppose.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 10:16 PM
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39. Shirts and skins was the norm at our school as well.
And when I ran with the cross-country team many of them were shirtless, and we ran all over town. I wore a shirt just to prevent getting burned, but the kids with normal melanin didn't bother, and nobody minded.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:35 AM
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43. as was in in park district run sports where i grew up
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nxt1 Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 10:18 PM
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40. Look
The AD may be an asshole and it may be a pretty stupid rule. But it is pretty simple- the AD told the coach the rule, the coach chose not to strictly enforce it on his team. As a coach you have to know your role and your role is to do what the AD tells you. he AD is the boss. He told the coach to follow a specific rule, that isn't hard to enforce. The coach and his team did not follow it, the AD deemed the coach responsible and the AD fired the coach. Life is a lot easier when you follow stupid rules.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 10:28 PM
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41. life is a lot easier when you follow the rest of the lemmings right over the cliff n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 10:29 PM
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:55 AM
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44. Our Male Florida high schol long distance runners
all run without their shirts on....

They'd bake if not...
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:18 AM
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47. Melanoma is in their futures.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:30 AM
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49. Please
I guess every human who ever went to the beach will get Melanoma.
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LetTimmySmoke Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 01:22 PM
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51. We need to create a "who cares" fruit basket for whiney parents.
Thanks for your concern, now please enjoy:

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