"I even fired a tank round once" Rachel and Meghan McCain visit the NRA Convention.

[Scuba]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#42938898


Rachel and guest Meghan McCain tour the NRA Convention and discuss firearm legislation and the NRA's influence. Who would have thought Rachel goes fishing almost every weekend and likes shooting enough to "do it whenever I can".



Perhaps the best part is watching all the old men scoping out the ladies backsides after they pass. Cracked me up.

[RSillsbee]

1. 12 minutes 12 seconds and lets count the lies

First WTF is a "semi-assault rifle" ?

Loughner wouldn't have been able to buy his extended "clips" if the NRA hadn't forced the repeal of the AWB in 2004

The AWB wasn't repealed, it ended just as the original law provided because no one could prove it had any effect on crime

"extended capacity" magazines wereavailable the law only banned the manufacture of new ones and did nothing to halt the sale of the millions already in circulation.

Semi-assault rifle (again WTF is that?)= M4s on the streets of America

An M4 is a highly regulated NFA item and is generally not available to civilians.

If you want to buy a gun w/out a background check go to a gunshow

First note that Meghan McCain had no clue what Rachel was talking about.

A licensed firearms dealer is required by law to fill out a form 4473 on any gun he sells regardless of location. A private sale is a private sale regardless of location closing the "gunshow loophole" amounts to a ban on private sales

Normal Glock magazines only hold 10/12 rounds anyway

Rachel flat out lied on this one standard Glock magazine hold 15 rounds

So,after watching this, why should I believe anything Rachel says
about guns?

Perhaps the best part is watching all the old men scoping out the ladies backsides after they pass. Cracked me up.

I saw Rachel checking out Meghan but that was about it

ETA I'm sure this video will get eaten alive once the thread gets moved ot the gungeon.

[ProfessorGAC]

2. This Might Be. . .

. . .one of the dumbest, one-dimensional posts i've ever seen on DU.
GAC

[baldguy]

3. Dead children in Homewood aren't lies.

The social & economic devastation in urban areas caused by gun violence aren't lies.

The fact that the NRA, the GOP and the lunatic gun lobby have combined to create America's stupid & insane gun laws isn't a lie.

[Ineeda]

4. Your post is a perfect example of

nitpicking, kneejerk reactions fostered by the NRA. Do you not see the problem illustrated by this whole show? The destruction of a whole community, for example? Sad, how the NRA has turned otherwise (perhaps) intelligent people into one-issue morans who consistently, invariably, predictably react to the dog whistle.

[RSillsbee]

5. So, was Rachel NOT lying?

Clearly she told the truth about firing the M1.

I cited some very specific examples if they aren't correct you should be able to refute them easily right?

ETA Time starts now

[bluestate10]

7. You miss the point. You had to watch Rachel's entire presentation. Very powerful indeed. nt

[RSillsbee]

9. No YOU miss the point

Rachel is one of us she's supposed to have more journalistic integrity than Glen Beak. She isn't supposed to use her position to lie about an issue to advance her agenda. Thats what rethugnicans do.

So answer the question Was she lying or not?

yes or no will do

[bluestate10]

14. I see the technicality of your argument. But.

The NRA fought against any change to the law to make it more effective, so the NRA essentially caused it to be repealed by forcing Congress to sunset it.

Maddow's larger point is that guns are a fact of life, large numbers of americans love and responsibly own guns. But there is a need for uniform, enforced gun laws that would create a society where a police inspector in Oklahoma makes the same decision as one in NYC when examining the permits of gun shop owners or gun show vendors. Laws where a gun seller in Oklahoma would put a gun buyer through the same verification procedures that a gun seller in NYC would.

Lastly. Rachel is an impassioned advocate for certain change in society. She, like all impassioned people, will occasionally overstep in the description of what others see as a different reality. I am one of the hated centrists on DU. I occasionally disagree with points that Rachel makes. But while disagreeing firmly, I don't conclude that she is lying and attempting to lie to distort an issue, she just sees it in way that I don't see it. To reference Rachel in the same sentence with a Glen Beck or any other Fox host other than maybe Shepperd Smith is an enormous stretch, there is not remotely equivalence in honesty and journalistic integrity, Rachel stands head and shoulders above the Fox clowns.

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[bluestate10]

18. The problem, sir, is that you are a law abiding gun owner. You follow

laws and do what the rest of society expect you to do with you guns, use them for hunting and personal protection. Criminals don't think like you do, to assume they do is your first mistake. Your question of why a person would modify a clip is in the same vein as asking why Meyer Lansky was a mafia financier instead of a CEO of a legal company. Some capable people, aka designers that can do incredible things with guns, gravitate to the criminal side instead of the legal side of the equation.

Yes, a law abiding citizen like you can go to a gun show and pick up a high capacity clip cheap, but a guy that had done serious time for violent crime and looks the part of a thug can't. So you can walk in and buy an item for $20 that the thug would have to pay a machiner $300 to get. But your intended use of the item is vastly different from what the thug will use it for.

[RSillsbee]

23. You are wrong on this

Magazines are not a controlled item a three year old could buy them. I'm not trying to be rude but a thug could buy them just as easily as I could. And you can make magazines in your garage w/ a home press brake no machining knowledge required

[aikoaiko]

20. I know she knows her line about Loughner not being able to buy a 30 round mag is factually untrue

After the Tucson shooting, she was saying the same thing, but then changed the line to more in line with the truth (>10 round mags were still available new and used, but not newly manufactured ones).

She's back to lie -- it helps her agenda more.

[bluestate10]

6. Exactly. The most poignant piece of Maddow's story was her visit with

the Pittsburgh minister and city council member who gave her a tour of the part of town that he represents. Gun violence was an everyday happening in the councilman's district. While watching the pictures, it was inconceivable to me that we, as a country, allow districts like that to exists without helping forward thinking people like the councilman improve life in those areas. A duck hunter in some rural backwater can demand that he can buy an assault rifle to kill water foul, but those very same guns are being used to slaughter people in the councilman's district.

[rasputin1952]

8. That interview was riveting...

his descriptions as he took her to places where murders occurred...:( A few times, he almost lost it and was about to weep.

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[bluestate10]

16. A stolen assault rifle can be sold for $200 on the street, the seller does

not give a shit about how much the rightful owner paid for it. Such weapons are on streets in inner city areas, and either are being used to kill or instill deep fear. All of your assumptions are based upon you as a law abiding gun owner. Don't assume that criminals think for one second like you do, they don't.

[RSillsbee]

24. Surely you can cite an instance of an actual Assault Rifle

( IE an intermediate cartrige select fire weapon) being used in a crime if "Such weapons are on streets in inner city areas, and either are being used to kill or instill deep fear."

I mean c'mon at least one right?

[Cid_B]

17. Oh...

And just for laughs...

[bluestate10]

10. Guns.

First. I am perfectly alright with lawful citizens buying any type of gun that they want to buy. But I also demand that they keep control of those guns. Even though certain guns are regulated, those guns are showing up on the street in the hands of criminals. While a non-criminal, law abiding citizen like you would not want to have a 15 bullet capacity Glock, clips for the gun can be modified by criminals to allow firing of 15 and more bullets. Because you would never use such a weapon and likely see no use for one, don't assume that they do not exist. This poster seriously doubt that anything Rachel Maddow presents will be welcomed by collections of gun nuts and right leaning people, so your point to that is wasted text. I watched the show that we are talking about, it was obvious that Rachel and Meghan McCain are friends that like to tease each other, the same type of dynamic that I have seen with Rachel and Michael Steele, Rachel and the hard-nosed male, former soldier that she went among crowds with and drank with on the night that Bin Laden's killing was announced. During the piece, I did not see Rachel checking out Meghan's ass or the reverse. Old men that looked at the two women appeared to have done so because they either recognized them, or because a tv crew was with the two women. In short, I did not see one instance of any person checking out anyone's ass.

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[bluestate10]

22. I grant your points. But if guns are registered through a uniform system

of registration that is the same in all locations, police can tracks guns that are used in a crime easier. That does not mean that a former owner that had his gun stolen and had it end up in the hands of a criminal would be in trouble, but a uniform law would encourage people that have guns stolen to report the theft to police.

When watching Rachel's piece on violence in the Pittsburgh district that the councilman took her through, I had two recurring thoughts. The first was why weren't there police substations in the areas with police on patrol, the second was why come of the abandoned space was not leveled and made into playing fields. I am sure lack of money plays into both. The problem in many big cities is that cops are concentrated in one headquarters instead of being spread out in smaller groups in neighborhood precincts. If cops are nearby and on constant patrol, criminals have more difficulty setting up their crimes. A neighborhood like the one that I live in don't need many cops around, crime is non-existent. We can use cops when we need them. But other neighborhoods in my city require large number of patrols because crime is prevalent in them.

[RSillsbee]

25. You really weren't replying to me were you?

While a non-criminal, law abiding citizen like you would not want to have a 15 bullet capacity Glock, clips for the gun can be modified by criminals to allow firing of 15 and more bullets.

I only own 2 rifle magazines that hold less than 20 rounds and every normal size 9mm I own have a 15 round magazine. I do admit that all my .40 S&W guns and my one compact 9mm only have 12 round magazines

Because you would never use such a weapon and likely see no use for one, don't assume that they do not exist.

Ever been shot at? I have I want all the rounds I can carry.

I did not see Rachel checking out Meghan's ass or the reverse. Old men that looked at the two women appeared to have done so because they either recognized them, or because a tv crew was with the two women. In short, I did not see one instance of any person checking out anyone's ass.

To be fair the only time I saw people paying all that much attention to either one was when Rachel said "gawd damn ( or something like that ) the NRA"

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[RSillsbee]

26. That comment was 100% accurate

FFLs are required to do a Background chack no matter where they sell the gun Private sales are not no matter where they sell the gun.

This is not a gun show loophole it is an attempt at banning private sales

The private sale loophole needs to be closed.

How do you intend to do this w/out registration?

[aikoaiko]

19. There was so much misinformation from both of them that I question their ethics.

Some people won't care, though, because she is pushing their agenda.

[Keith Bee]

21. I see the Daily Beast has stringent requirements

:rofl: