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mfcorey1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 05:36 AM
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Our view: Armed or unarmed, bin Laden got what he deserved
Does it matter that Osama bin Laden was apparently unarmed when American commandos shot him to death — and not, as initially reported, brandishing a weapon and hiding behind a woman?.
In a word, no.

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OPPOSING VIEW 'He should have been taken alive'

Whether judged by the formal rules of war, the pragmatic need to eliminate a threat or a gut-level hunger to deliver justice for the mass murder of 9/11, bin Laden deserved to die by any means necessary.

Still, a few voices are calling for an inquiry into how bin Laden was killed and questioning whether he could, and should, have been captured alive and put on trial. The facts, the law and circumstances of the operation should put those questions to rest.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2011-05-04-bin-Laden-got-what-he-deserved_n.htm
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Possumpoint Donating Member (937 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 05:47 AM
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1. This Is A Rhetorical Question
Do we as a country have the right to send assassination teams out in the world?
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 05:58 AM
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2. apparently so
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Possumpoint Donating Member (937 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 06:06 AM
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4. Then That Implies That
Other countries would have the right to send teams into our country.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 06:14 AM
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5. They already did
And this is the payback for it.
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Possumpoint Donating Member (937 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 06:19 AM
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6. Strawman
You compare apples and oranges. A team sent to kill one man versus a group attack trying to kill as many as possible.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:11 AM
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18. That makes no sense.
The number of people doesn't matter. :shrug:
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 06:23 AM
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8. and which country was that?
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 06:25 AM
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9. Yes - the payback for the blowback
That's the problem with vendettas - they never really end.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 06:21 AM
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7. Which terrorists are we sheltering?
Who would these teams be going after?
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 06:37 AM
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10. Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, Rice, and the whole gang did more damage and killed more
than bin Laden could ever dream of.

Then we protect and serve the banking cabal and extraction industries who have robbed, killed, and pillaged on a viking like pace for a couple hundred years or there about.
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Possumpoint Donating Member (937 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 07:06 AM
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11. For DIscussion Sake
What if another country considered one of our former political leaders a terrorist. By the logic used, would they have the right to send in a military team and try to assassinate him? How would we react if we woke up and learned that one was dead and taken out to sea for burial?

Think long and hard about blowback on any of our operations.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 07:11 AM
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13. We are able to draw distinctions between terrorists and elected leaders
if a country did what you would propose, it would be an act of war.

Do you really think Pakistan would turn Osama over? If countries make the decision to harbor international terrorists then they should be prepared to pay the cost.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:58 AM
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14. Apples and oranges deluxe.
Bin Laden not a political leader of Pakistan, or of any nation. Who are the people who considered him one of their political leaders?
When you say 'how would we react' who do you think is our counterpart in this scenario? Pakistan? Do they claim him as a 'former political leader'? No, they don't.
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 05:59 AM
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3. it depends
Have said targets formally and loudly declared that they were at WAR with us? Someone like Chavez, for all his bluster, never did, unlike OBL.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 07:08 AM
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12. You are two years too late with that question
President Obama has ramped up the killing of terrorists to a level never seen in the Bush administration. He has decided that surgical removal of terrorists is the way to go.
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Possumpoint Donating Member (937 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:22 AM
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19. Is A Question Of Morality
ever too late? May very well be after the fact though. I raised my questions to generate thoughts on just what we did and why. If we can justify it can others?
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:58 AM
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20. When we start harboring international terrorists
then others can justify. Fortunately American law enforcement takes a dim view of terrorist organizations so it shouldn't be an issue.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:10 AM
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17. Depends
If it's part of a "war" it is to be expected. But not really for normal police operations. Then again, we wouldn't use the Navy for police-work either.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:00 AM
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15. He declared war on the US. Isn't that enough said? nt.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:06 AM
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16. My view, as well.
I have absolutely no concerns about it, and I'm glad he's gone. End of story.
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