Now its the code name they used for bin Laden

[liberal N proud]

The critics are jumping all over the code name "Geronimo" Code name for bin Laden. :wtf:



The top staffer for the Senate Indian Affairs Committee and a Native American tribe are objecting to the U.S. military's use of the code name "Geronimo" for Osama bin Laden during the raid that killed the al-Qaida leader.

After bin Laden was killed, the military sent a message back to the White House: "Geronimo EKIA" — enemy killed in action.

Geronimo was an Apache leader in the 19th century who spent many years fighting the Mexican and U.S. armies until his surrender in 1886.

"Think of the outcry if they had used any other ethnic group's hero," the Onondaga Council of Chiefs said in a statement quoted by the Syracuse Post-Standard. "Geronimo bravely and heroically defended his homeland and his people, eventually surrendering and living out the rest of his days peacefully, if in captivity."

As Geronimo is "arguably the most recognized Native American name in the world," the link "only serves to perpetuate negative stereotypes about our people," the statement said.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42897871/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/?GT1=43001

What's next? the name "SEALS"? :wtf:

[aquart]

1. But Geronimo was the mission name, not the bin Ladin name.

His name was something dumber.

[Wait Wut]

11. That's what I heard.

Damn. Can't remember what they said his code name was, though. Should've been Shark Bait.

And, despite my support of this mission, naming the mission itself "Geronimo" really wasn't the greatest idea. Anyone that knows the history of the hunt for Geronimo will understand why.

[hifiguy]

54. Or maybe Kharis

as in "The Mummy Strikes."

[Kadie]

30. I think they said it was Jackpot.

:shrug:

[leveymg]

32. No, it was the code word for "mission accomplished" - three times for we capped him three times.

Dead. Dead. Dead.

[former9thward]

34. Panetta says it was Geronimo.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8489354/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-code-name-Geronimo.html

[GusBob]

2. they had to come up with something

everyone kept slipping up and calling him obama bin ladin

[FSogol]

4. +1 n/t

[emulatorloo]

3. Yeah we had that here yesterday.

[CJCRANE]

5. It's a well known exclamation

when jumping out of a plane or going into a dangerous situation.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

13. "Zieg Heil!" is a well known exclamation.

Just pointing out poor reasoning and not trying to make a connection between the two. :)

[zappaman]

6. yes, I have a problem with the term "seals"

seals are fun-loving creatures that would never just shoot someone in the head.
it should be changed to Navy Sharks cuz sharks are big meanies!

[GusBob]

8. nurse sharks are kind eom

[cherokeeprogressive]

24. Sharks are kind to remoras. n/t

[guitar man]

64. Ever see a leapord seal?

They aren't so nice :evilgrin:

[bobbolink]

7. Yes, it is definitely too much to ask that the US be sensitive to Native Americans.

[snooper2]

12. is there anything you are not offended by?

[RC]

55. Using the name "Geronimo" continues the denigration of the Native American People.

A more appropriate name should have been used.
Geronimo was a great leader, defending his people against foreign invaders.
bin Laden was seeking revenge for being brushed off, without so much as a thank you after he did the job we hired and trained him for.

[snooper2]

58. And this is HUGH...I think we should start a couple more threads

calls to congresscritters...

Maybe a couple protests...

Come on Internet Warriors- Get some Justice! :eyes:

[The Straight Story]

65. It was the name of the mission, not the one for Osama - our mighty warriors fought well

So using the code name Geronimo for the mission is not denigrating.

[Teaser]

20. OMG U ARE RIGHT HE SUX

.

[Heidi]

40. :thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

Those uppity ndns. Who do they think they are, anyway. :sarcasm:

[bobbolink]

42. Not to mention those of us who respect them.

A lot of words come to mind........... :cry:

[NYC_SKP]

9. We suck.

We can't do ANYTHING right!!!

:banghead:

....

[seabeyond]

10. i betcha pres and first lady sadly shake head and laugh. probably had a lifetime of this. he pulls

off an amazing feat and they are hit with ALL this pitily ass bullshit

[liberal N proud]

49. The President probably;y didn't even come up with the name

[seabeyond]

53. i am sure he didnt. still.... another nothing to go after. nt

[JustAnotherGen]

14. It's not like

We can ask for a 'do over' and change the mission name to something like: Star Shine or Sparkle.

[pipi_k]

15. I said this the other day...

Geronimo hid out from the Mexican and US military for a long time by being very elusive.

Some believed he had the power to disappear into thin air

As frustrated as his would-be captors became with him, I would imagine some of them also gave him grudging respect for his ability to "hide in plain sight".

OBL was able to do just that for ten years...


I think the people who are getting all hissied up about this don't know just how elusive Geronimo was...and how it's appropriate to compare his disappearing act with that of OBL...

[alsame]

16. His code name was 'Jackpot', according to what I

read...Geronimo was the name of the mission.

I'll look for a link, I can't remember where I read this.

ETA link:
In a report on Tuesday's NBC Today, correspondent Jim Miklaszewski specifically noted: "For a successful kill or capture, the code word was simply 'Geronimo'....From the beginning, the U.S. operation was aimed more at killing, not capturing, bin Laden, whose code name itself was 'jackpot.'" The code name "Geronimo" referred to success or mission accomplished, not to bin Laden.



Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2011/05/04/wapo-claims-geronimo-code-name-bin-laden-operation-left-sour-taste-amo#ixzz1LPPHCATy

[Marr]

17. The American Federation of Aquatic Mammals has issued a complaint about the term "SEALs".

"We do not kill people-- not even terrorists. Arf!", said the group's chairman, before joyously swallowing a fish tossed his way by a member of the press corps.

[Connie_Corleone]

18. Geronimo was NOT the code name for Bin Laden. It was the name of the mission.

[fishwax]

39. not according to this

"We have a visual on Geronimo": http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8489354/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-code-name-Geronimo.html

[Teaser]

19. OMFG OBAMA IS A RACIST WHO HATES NATIVE AMERICANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.

[xchrom]

21. who are you to tell 1st nations what to be or not be offended by?

you're that special?

[JuniperLea]

23. +1

Haven't we done enough to them? No matter if it was the mission name or what they called OBL... not a good idea.

[bobbolink]

27. This is really sad. I guess its OK to offend gays, blacks, Jews, etc.

Ever soooo enlightened.

:cry:

[liberal N proud]

50. Not telling anyone what they can/cannot be offended by

Offensive is always in the eye of the offended.

The point this OP is how there is nothing they will not criticize the President for, this is just one more niche they are using. And best of all, the President probably had nothing to do with the code name and only learned of it late in the game.

[bobbolink]

61. Choosing to see the objection as a slam against the president could also been seen as overly

sensitive, don't you think?

I couldn't figure out what you were objecting to. Now that you have made it clear you see this as directed to the president, I suggest you back up and take a fresh look.

[aquart]

52. The first immigrants want us to walk on eggs with them and I'm not.

They are completely entitled to make whatever fuss they like. They have some excellent arguments. I'm not appreciating this one.

[groundloop]

22. Let me guess, Rush Limpballs is going to pick up on this and become politically correct

Anything to criticize the President.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

25. Idiots. "Geronimo" was the code for the Navy Seals mission

Congress to Examine "Inappropriate" and "Devastating" Use of "Geronimo" Codename in bin Laden Mission

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/05/congress-to-examine-inappropriate-and-devastating-use-of-geronimo-codename-in-bin-laden-mission.html

The target (bin Laden) was "Jackpot."

Can cable news get nothing right? This is why there's so much confusion and idiots decrying conspiracies in our country today. They listen to infotainment and call it journalism.


On edit: I don't see why it would be an insult to use the code name "Geronimo" either. He was brave and fought with small forces against greater powers in the name of revenge. It kind of fits if you ask me.

[former9thward]

35. Panetta said OBL code name was Geronimo.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8489354/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-code-name-Geronimo.html But he is only Director of the CIA. What would he know?

[Lone_Star_Dem]

47. Show me where it says that in your link, please?

Because what I'm seeing is: "We have a visual on Geronimo." The rest is assumptions.


Panetta's own words from before this controversy:

“Once those teams went into the compound, I can tell you that there was a time period of almost 20 or 25 minutes where we - you know, we really didn't know just exactly what was going on. And there were some very tense moments as we were waiting for information. But finally, Adm. McRaven came back and said that he had picked up the word "Geronimo," which was the code word that represented that they got bin Laden,” Panetta told PBS.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/05/codename-geornimo-for-osama-bin-laden-mission-angers-some-native-americans.html

Which corresponds with what is in the article I posted above.

The Obama administration has indicated that the Navy SEALs who killed bin Laden did not use “Geronimo” as the codename for him, but rather it was the code for the act of capturing or killing him.

[former9thward]

59. What would he be referring to except OBL?

[Lone_Star_Dem]

60. Did you read any of my post? nt

[former9thward]

63. I reade it all but only paid attention to Panetta's direct remarks.

When I see words like "the Obama administration indicates" I ignore that content because that is just a media person writing shit which may or may not be true. I think reading the direct quotes and viewing the context that OBL was given that name. I have no problem with that. The military does not need to have people micromanaging their mission or people code names.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

26. If they would have used a name for the target and not the mission. I would have suggested "Rush". nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

28. Geronimo? Yawn. Now, had they used Se-quo-ya as a code name, I'd be fuckin' pissed.

I'm feeling a strange sense of "I think I've been here before"... That's how they say deja vu in France you know: I think I've been here before.

[Name removed]

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[fishwax]

43. I think that would aptly describe anyone up in arms about the Onondaga council's statement n/t

[fivepennies]

31. Heroes and villains never die

they just become code words

that elicit the divide and conquer responses that keep us divided and conquered. Now who on earth would think that's a good idea?

[jp11]

33. Yeah what's wrong with these people complaining all the time, right?

Don't they know it is okay when someone does something that upsets them because it doesn't upset the person doing it? How selfish can these people be for wanting other people to think about what they do and how it might make other people feel.

[dipsydoodle]

36. That is as insensive as would be

giving the house they attacked the code name Uncle Tom's Cabin.

[bobbolink]

38. Very good comparison. However, I think this group would cheer for that one, too.

:cry:

[fishwax]

37. sounds like you're outraged at the outrage

Of course, there isn't really much outrage, just some people saying that the name was a bad idea. And, of course, saying that the name sucks isn't an attack on Obama (although in an earlier thread here some were quick to treat it as such).

[liberal N proud]

56. Outraged at the focus or use of the outrage to focus on one party

[fishwax]

67. I think the outrage is focused clearly at the issue

Any mention of the subject has been greeted as an attack on Obama or Democrats, which is kind of silly. It's not at all difficult to think Obama did a great job handling Obama and also think that code-naming OBL "Geronimo" is a bad idea. (On edit: if, in fact, that is what happened; there are conflicting reports about whether the name was for OBL or the mission itself.)

A few tribal figures have mentioned the subject and Obama in the same breath, but while it's unlikely that Obama had anything to do with applying this code name, the credit that he most definitely deserves for the handling of this mission also brings with it an association with things like this. I don't think that anyone is saying that the code name is a bigger deal than the mission itself, and simply raising the issue of the name doesn't take anything away from what was accomplished.

Finally, if one is outraged that such an issue might be used to focus outrage on one party, I don't see "what an absurd allegation!" "these people are so oversensitive!" "whiners and poutrage!" or other responses along those lines as particularly productive ways to defend that party.

[Blue_Tires]

41. Well, not everyone is a Cincinnati fan...

[fishwax]

44. ah, I'm sure that's what they had in mind

Good mission, good leadership, good execution, but (if it was in fact the code name for OBL) a poor choice of code names for a vile man.

[ProSense]

45. How long before someone

is outraged that the tribe was "estatic" about bin Laden's death?

<...>

The letter was posted Wednesday morning on the tribe's website, and the tribe's administration confirmed it was from Houser.

Houser writes that his tribe was ecstatic to learn about bin Laden's death but those feelings were tempered when members learned that the code word used for the terrorist was the name of one of the Oklahoma tribe's legendary warriors.

Houser says equating Geronimo or any other Native American figure with a "mass murderer and cowardly terrorist" is painful and offensive.

[brooklynite]

46. I thought they didin't use "real" names for these things...

...on the grounds that it might offer a clue to the target or goal.

[Buns_of_Fire]

48. Give 'em all names of Shit-fer-Brains' maladministration officials and be done with it.

Toss in "Yurtle" and "Boner" too, just for good measure. Unless Democrats in Washington are afraid of offending rebubbalickins, too.

Oops, they are.

[Better Believe It]

51. If they has used the code names "Malcolm X", "M.L.King" or "Mandela" would that have been acceptable

to everyone who defends the use of the most prominent Native American to describe Osama bin Laden and the assassination operation?

[Name removed]

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[KurtNYC]

62. Tomahawk missiles, Apache helicopters, etc.

it is the stuff of American mythology

[cherokeeprogressive]

66. How fitting is it that his given name, Goyathlay or Goyahkla in English, means "one who yawns".

I bet he's fucking yawning now...

This debate is exactly as meaningful as teats on a boar hog.