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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:17 PM
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UCLA Geography Students Predicted Bin Laden Was Near Abbottadad, In 2009
Could Osama bin Laden have been found faster if the CIA had followed the advice of ecosystem geographers from the University of California, Los Angeles? Probably not, but the predictions of UCLA geographer Thomas Gillespie, who, along with colleague John Agnew and a class of undergraduates, authored a 2009 paper predicting the terrorist’s whereabouts, were none too shabby. According to a probabilistic model they created, there was an 88.9% chance that bin Laden was hiding out in a city less than 300 km from his last known location in Tora Bora: a region that included Abbottabad, Pakistan, where he was killed last night.


The bin Laden tracking idea began as a project in an undergraduate class on remote sensing that Gillespie, whose expertise is using remote sensing data from satellites to study ecosystems, taught in 2009. Based on information from satellites and other remote sensing systems, and reports on his movements since his last known location, the students created a probabilistic model of where he was likely to be. Their prediction of a town was based on a geographical theory called “island biogeography”: basically, that a species on a large island is much less likely to go extinct following a catastrophic event than a species on a small one.


“The theory was basically that if you’re going to try and survive, you’re going to a region with a low extinction rate: a large town,” Gillespie says. “We hypothesized he wouldn’t be in a small town where people could report on him.”
“It’s not my thing to do this type of stuff,” he says. “But the same theories we use to study endangered birds can be used to do this.”

In the end, they zeroed in on a Pakistani border town called Parachinar which has, among other things, access to medical care. Then they predicted the exact building he would be in by making assumptions as to the characteristics of the building itself, such as high enough ceilings to accommodate bin Laden’s 6’4″ frame, a fence, privacy, and electricity.


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http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/ucla-geography-students-predicted-bin-laden-was-near-abbottadad-in-2009/


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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:23 PM
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1. Awesome!
Cool. I, myself guessed that 'Mine that Bird' would win 2009 Kentucky Derby.
Sadly, I did not cover my prediction with actual cash money, else I would be richer today.

I have a prediction on who will win this years Kentucky Derby . I shall release my findings AFTER the actual race. YOU WILL BE AMAZED!
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:26 PM
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2. It seems difficult to amaze me if your prediction follows the known results.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:29 PM
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3. then you will understand why I am underwhelmed ...
...by the findings revealed in the OP.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:34 PM
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6. Their work was done before Osama's whereabouts were know. Further, they didn't get the exact locatio
location correct- this is about modeling based on bird behavior, for instance.

Maybe you'd be more impressed with it, if you'd actually read the article and appreciated their methodology.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:46 PM
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9. Well then
Congratulations on their winning 25 million dollar reward for finding OBN.
Well done!
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:31 PM
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4. I once predicted that Joe Carter would win a walk off homerun to win the World Series.
Don't ask me how or why. I just knew.

I also predicted the Presidency of George W. Bush over a decade in advance.

And I predicted the plot to "Day after Tomorrow." But perhaps that was predictable.
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HERVEPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:48 PM
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10. LOL. And every Phillies fan watching that game knew Mitch would blow it.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:31 PM
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5. 300 km radius?
Well, ok.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:36 PM
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7. Unfortunately, a lot of pseudo-skeptics will read the word "predicted" and descend on this
without appreciating the methodology involved.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:43 PM
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8. Its almost twice the size of California
Edited on Tue May-03-11 01:47 PM by Ichingcarpenter

The total land boundary length is 6,774 km (4,209 mi).


A 186 mile circle in a country that large
an't too shabby and he was within the circle.
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