Am I the only one nauseated by everyone revelling in this death?

[YellowRubberDuckie]

Makes me feel kinda skeezy. :shrug:

[MadHound]

1. No, you're not,

But get prepared to get blasted.

[Smarmie Doofus]

2. Nope. nt

[Drale]

3. So you don't think a man who killed 10's of thousands around the world,

3000 on one day 10 years ago in New York, did not deserve to die a horrible and painful death?

[YellowRubberDuckie]

16. Making him a martyr gave him what he wanted.

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy." - Martin Luther King, Jr
"An Eye for an Eye makes the whole world blind." --Gandhi

[pnwmom]

He's not going to get the dozens of virgins he wanted.

:shrug:

[Drale]

37. Well seeing as I'm pretty sure he's the one that created that lie

I would say not.

[TheCowsCameHome]

73. Unless he prefers mermaids.

[sibelian]

118. Let's try and move past this sort of comment, shall we?

You'll be aware of how the left views the assassination of JFK? Is it so much of a stretch of the imagination that Muslim extremists might view the killing of Bin Laden in the same way? Or is only Americans that view the world in terms of myths and heroes?

[JonLP24]

97. +1000 for the quotes

especially MLK.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

117. Martyr is an overused word

He could have died from his bad kidneys, and those fuckers who love him would have blamed us for it. Fuck them.

[jberryhill]

36. Bloodlust is a dangerous thing

I believe Mr. Obama hit the right note in his announcement.

[Drale]

41. This is the only person, if you can call him that,

that I have ever and hopefully will ever truly wish death upon. Even when Dick "Son of the Devil" Chaney dies, I won't shed a tear but I won't cheer either.

[jberryhill]

46. YMMV

There was once a person on whom I wished a horrible death, when I was fairly young. One day that person met a horrible death. I felt guilty and ashamed for years for ever wishing such a thing, and I guess I'm just tempered by that particular experience.

[Drale]

47. I do not feel guilty about Bin Ladens death at all

I hope he's burning in hell.

[jberryhill]

54. Yes, you've made that quite clear

Anything else?

[Phoenix63]

39. So then you think Americans deserve to die a horrible

and painful death? Tell me, who was it in Iraq that attacked and killed thousands of Americans? You think your country was justified is slaughtering over a hundred thousand people in Iraq? Many of them women and children?

America is the most fucking hypocritical nation in the world.

And I'll tell you something else. If you think we killed Osama last night you are a sucker. He was either dead already or it was a lie. Probably dead already.

I'll believe it when I see the body, like I saw the bodies of Saddam and his sos. We are nothing if not morbid and if they had a body to show us they would.

[Drale]

44. Wow you belong in the conspiracy basement with talk like that

And I absolutely do not support either war at all. Bush and his minions need to be tried for crimes against humanity. Bin Laden was never ever going to be taken alive and if you think any different you are a sucker.

[jberryhill]

66. Uh... you saw the body of Saddam walking and talking, btw

It was quite some time after his capture and trial that he was executed, if you will recall.

[niyad]

85. 10,000's of thousands around the world???? links, please

[MrMickeysMom]

102. SFP...

Severe Face Palm.... Christ, won't this shit ever stop?

[HysteryDiagnosis]

4. His ideology needs to die more than he did... it will be a long time before it is dead

if ever.

[bobbolink]

84. Exactly. There were many angry people before bin laden came on the scene, and they are still angry

It doesn't matter that the leader is gone.. the anger remains.

Until we, as a planet, manage to find ways to make lives more comfortable, so the anger isn't stirred up, there will always be a leader who will come along and stir up shit.

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[Codeine]

11. Of course you are. nt

[Marr]

6. The thing I find most distasteful is that the people doing the most cheering

seem to be simply the biggest Obama boosters. They're happy about the political win, it seems to me, and all the talk of justice and so forth is secondary bullshit.

[DFab420]

9. I think you think that here, but I can tell you

You go down and ask anyone at Ground Zero right now and I bet Obama comes up 3rd or 4th in their conversation about why they are happy.

[sabrina 1]

17. Having lost two neighbors on 9/11 I fully agree with the OP.

I find it sad, as if Osama Bin Laden succeeded in bringing out the worst in Americans.

[DFab420]

24. Again, who are you to judge others reactions to this news?

I don't find it to be the worst in Americans. Birthers are worse, Racists are worse, wife-beaters are worse.

I'm sorry you lost two neighbors in 9/11 but that does not give you any more validity to judge others reactions.

I myself feel happy but somber. But that's my own personal experience, and I won't hate on others for feeling the way they do.

[sabrina 1]

32. Who are you to tell me what I should feel?

Apparently you are willing to allow the revellers their right to revel, but NOT those of us who would prefer a more dignified reaction. So, it seems you too are judging.

[DFab420]

35. What?????

and I won't hate on others for feeling the way they do.

I completely support the way you feel, and understand it. Where did I tell you how to feel?

[IsItJustMe]

49. I have noticed that also. Politics over reflection is not good for Republicans or Democrats.

[bluestate10]

56. I'm a President Obama supporter and I am happy that Bin Laden is dead.

Ya got me. I make no apologies because our nation has the right President and the right policy.

[AlabamaLibrul]

7. Nope nt

[dkf]

8. Well if nothing else we are closer to ending our wars.

If you find that nauseating then so be it.

[MadHound]

13. What makes you say that?

Do you honestly think that this will effect the course of these wars one bit? If so, then you are lacking in a proper historical education and are incredibly naive.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

18. Word.

[Texasgal]

10. Who is everyone?

Good GRIEF!

I've read this all day on DU. Some people are giddy, a couple of thousand are WAY beyond giddy!

Most of us are NOT celebratory but not shedding any tears.

I am so sick of this brad brush... just the hell is EVERYBODY???

[YellowRubberDuckie]

19. My Facebook and Twitter BLEW THE FUCK UP.

I live in Oklahoma.

[Texasgal]

21. Okay, that's not "everyone"

even here in TEXAS so many seem more ambivalent.

[bluestate10]

59. Well, you live in Oklahoma. nt

[Throd]

12. Fuck Osama.

[sabrina 1]

14. No, you're not n/t

[seabeyond]

15. actually, i havent watched any. so all these people talking about it confused me a bet.

i saw a couple clips while i was cooking dinner. the only time i really listen to the news. mostly get off internet in print.

ya, i was uncomfortable with it.

[Hannah Bell]

20. no

[blaze]

22. No. You're not the only one. nt

[XanaDUer]

23. I'm neither happy nor sad

feeling a strange combination of emotions.

[Terra Alta]

25. I'm happy he's dead.

He killed thousands on 9/11, and I'm supposed to feel bad for gloating about his death?

Fuck Osama. It's times like this when I wish the fundamentalists' version of Hell existed, so Obama could rot there for eternity.

[vduhr]

67. Whoops! I think you meant...

Osama could rot in hell?

[Terra Alta]

76. yes, that's exactly what I meant

work has totally fried my brain today...

[vduhr]

80. No problem...LOL

It's a common mistake, and I've done it myself. It's one of the "doh!" moments.

[prairierose]

26. No, you are not...n/t

[uppityperson]

27. It depends. "yay usa we're #1" nationalism disgusts me. Being glad this symbol of evil is dead is ok

[patrice]

28. It is good that he is dead, but soooooooo much has happened, IRAQ!!!!! . . . all part of

our effort to get some of the criminals who destroyed the WTC.

There's no way I can pretend that all of the death and suffering is okay now.

This wasn't a football game. There are 5 million Iraqi refugees, what, 1 million Iraqi orphans? What was the last count of our wounded? 40,000 crippled, maimed, wounded American soldiers, 6,000 dead . . . .

America enslaved to war debt for generations to come . . . .

10 years into it and I'm STILL deeply shocked that this has happened. I have no idea what America is anymore.

[dddem]

29. I got a tearful call from my daughter last night

wondering if there was something wrong with her because she wasn't whooping and hollering like everyone else on campus about the fact that a human being died. Granted, he wasn't a nice guy, but celebrating any death just didn't sit well with her. I explained that it was probably more a feeling of relief for some, a political win for others, and for those people who have someone in the military, or lost someone on Sept. 11, it probably feels like the way some folks in Europe felt when they found out Hitler was dead.
I understood how she felt, and I told her she certainly wasn't alone.
Peace.

[DFab420]

31. I also hope you told her not to pass judgement on the other people expressing

themselves by whooping and hollering.

[dddem]

74. Absolutely,

We chatted about how, if you really strive to be a tolerant human being, you have to tolerate attitudes that don't necessarily mesh with yours, and how caring about our friends means accepting that we can have vastly different opinions, and still love one another. Although, truthfully, I didn't have to. That's why she called me in the first place. She was uncomfortable with her feelings, but completely understanding of her friends' feelings. She snuck away because she didn't want her friends to think she was judging their reactions, and also needed a little clarification of her own feelings so she wouldn't get upset in front of her friends. She's a good kid - despite my influence!

[tigereye]

79. yes- exactly.

Not sure a "frat party" type response was what made sense. I felt a mix of emotions, and none of them were of the yee-ha variety. The man was just awful, and responsible for the deaths of thousands that day and afterwards, but yelling and whooping were not how I reacted.

[EFerrari]

30. No.

[Cleita]

33. No I'm finding it very creepy. n/t

[smirkymonkey]

112. +100

It's one thing to be glad he's gone, but the rah rah "We're #1" crap sort of rubs me the wrong way. I don't know why - it just does.

[jberryhill]

34. No

A lot of emotions are mixed up together in this, but I was never thrilled with Achilles doing the victory lap with Hector either.

[RagAss]

38. None of us knew him. He was a symbol of death to us. Death of Americans. We're allowed to revel.

[Control-Z]

40. No.

You're not alone.

[IsItJustMe]

Not at all. Justice and revenge are two different things.

It seems like this is a time for humility and reflection rather than chest thumping.

[Curmudgeoness]

42. I do not mourn him, but the celebrations are over the top.

When I saw a celebrations with everyone chanting "U S A, U S A", I was nauseated too. I will say that I am glad that he is dead. But I will never celebrate it.

[Lasher]

43. Well Boo Fucking Hoo.

I wish he could be revived so that he could be killed again.

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[rug]

48. Not by a country mile.

[roamer65]

50. I am very glad he's gone, but...

Bin Laden has caused so much death and destruction it is hard to be happy. I am angry Bu$h didn't do this job years ago.

[hyphenate]

51. I'm not reveling, but I can see why so many

are so happy.

The US had never been attacked on its own soil before from an outside force of the magnitude of 9/11. The fact that it did happen scared the shit out of many people, finding that we were so vulnerable. We all know that other nations have had to limit some of their liberties in order to be prepared for such attacks, but bin Laden represented the loss of the innocence of many in the US, and was considered some sort of "holy grail" that needed to be defeated in order for us to not be afraid anymore.

That's an oversimplified answer, but the pursuit of bin Laden was less about him as a human being, and more about the ideals he represented.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

52. No. It's the lynch mob mentality wrapped in the flag.

[Raine]

I'm so HAPPY he's dead

and if that's revelling than so be it because I don't feel one bit "skeezy" about it.

[Amaya]

53. it's typically american

just saying...

[WildEyedLiberal]

55. You know good and well you're not if you've performed even a cursory scan of DU

You posted this OP to get a litany of me-too responses, and you got them. Good for you, I guess :shrug:

[pulledpork]

57. Until I kill 3,000 innocent people

No, the moral deficit between Osama and I will not be erased. I think it is MORAL, as well as true to our mammalian natures, to revel in the death of someone so grotesquely inhuman. It is a victory for our species to be rid of him. We don't magically become them by being glad their kind is gone.

I am sick of pussified "liberals" who want to tell the rest of us how we should feel (real liberals would be 'live and let live'). That is no one's business. We own our feelings, so leave us the fuck alone, you sanctimonious whiners.

[Angry Dragon]

69. .........

:thumbsdown:

[tigereye]

81. having complex reactions to something major that occurs

is neither "pussified" nor whining. It's human. No one is telling you how to feel, they are simply saying it's not their reaction.

[Pithlet]

103. I'm sorry.

But if someone's feelings, behavior, etc. sickens me and makes me "nauseous" and I tell them so? Id' expect them to feel badly about that, and possibly even react to my expression of that feeling defensively. They may take that as me telling them how to feel. That would be understandable. It's why I generally keep those feelings to myself, unless it's my intention that they feel that way.

[Bonobo]

58. I would be sickened...

But I have come to have very lowered expectations.

[JanMichael]

60. nope

I think it's disgusting.

[RebelOne]

61. Nope. I do not rejoice in anyone's death

even if he was a tyrant or monster. I felt sad when Saddam was killed.

[Oasis_]

64. You felt sad for Saddam?

What if you were around when Hitler capped himself? Would you have felt "sad"? The only, and I mean ONLY people I feel sad for are the people whose lives were extinguished by these mass murderers.

Oasis

[southernyankeebelle]

62. No your not the only one. War is hell and everyday someone dies needlessly on the

battle field. I would have like to see him in a court of law. Lets face it it would be way to much money to have him stand trail. I don't like killing but it was on the battle field unlike people who were at work or going about their own business.

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[Ohio Joe]

65. I know I'm glad he is dead - nt

[Alamuti Lotus]

68. No; the cacophony of noise at the moment is predictably appalling

[OswegoAtheist]

70. Not nauseated.

Just kind of... sad. Not for Osama bin Laden, of course; I'll never mourn him. I'm just sad at how easily and quickly people I know should have known better were able to slip into bloodlust and barbarism. It's my disaffection for humans, I guess.

Oswego "sigh." Atheist

[J-Lo Biafra]

71. Probably not, but I shed no tears for the fuck.

[Luminous Animal]

88. You do not deserve that user name.

[TheCowsCameHome]

72. Evidently not.

Which surprises me somewhat.

[pipi_k]

75. I'm not nauseated by it...

but I'm not exactly reveling in it, either.

I just don't give a shit that he's dead.

And I especially don't give a shit about his death, or the manner in which he was killed, when I remember some of the footage of people standing out on window ledges of the WTC tower trying to decide whether it would be better to burn to death inside, or end up a big bloody splat on the concrete below.


Really. It's hard for me to work up any pity for the guy.


sorry... :shrug:

[mountainlion55]

77. No you are not

I imagine that there is much gnashing of teeth and heart wrenching sadness among our founding fathers in whatever place they are in now.:think:

[KamaAina]

78. No.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1013102&mesg_id=1013102

[frogmarch]

82. I’m not reveling, but

I’m glad he’s dead, and I hope it didn't happen so fast that he missed experiencing terrible panic and fear before he was shot. I also hope he felt the bullet.

[Dystopian]

83. No...

You are not alone.
Know that.



peace~

[yodermon]

86. terrorists: "yay, death". Us: "yay, death"

The two are NOT equal, but damn if I don't hate the whole cheering-for-death thing.
:(

[Prometheus Bound]

87. These things always take me back to '1984'.

.....In its second minute the Hate rose to a frenzy. People were leaping up and down in their places and shouting at the tops of their voices in an effort to drown the maddening bleating voice that came from the screen. The little sandy-haired woman had turned bright pink, and her mouth was opening and shutting like that of a landed fish. Even O'Brien's heavy face was flushed. He was sitting very straight in his chair, his powerful chest swelling and quivering as though he were standing up to the assault of a wave. The dark-haired girl behind Winston had begun crying out 'Swine! Swine! Swine!' and suddenly she picked up a heavy Newspeak dictionary and flung it at the screen. It struck Goldstein's nose and bounced off; the voice continued inexorably. In a lucid moment Winston found that he was shouting with the others and kicking his heel violently against the rung of his chair. The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate was not that one was obliged to act a part, but, on the contrary, that it was impossible to avoid joining in. Within thirty seconds any pretence was always unnecessary. A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge-hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one's will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic. And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp. Thus, at one moment Winston's hatred was not turned against Goldstein at all, but, on the contrary, against Big Brother, the Party, and the Thought Police; and at such moments his heart went out to the lonely, derided heretic on the screen, sole guardian of truth and sanity in a world of lies. And yet the very next instant he was at one with the people about him, and all that was said of Goldstein seemed to him to be true. At those moments his secret loathing of Big Brother changed into adoration, and Big Brother seemed to tower up, an invincible, fearless protector, standing like a rock against the hordes of Asia, and Goldstein, in spite of his isolation, his helplessness, and the doubt that hung about his very existence, seemed like some sinister enchanter, capable by the mere power of his voice of wrecking the structure of civilization.

[marions ghost]

96. +++

appropriate

[EFerrari]

104. Maybe some people are wired for this kind of reveling

and some people are not.

[UTUSN]

89. I UnReKKKed back to "2" n/t

[Gregorian]

90. No. But the majority seem to think what happened was just fine, even if it could have been avoided.

Some of the most progressive people I know are trigger happy over this. I'm trying to remind people that it's regrettable if we are to stoop down to the level of terrorists. And I don't use the word terrorist often.

Watch Democracy Now from today. http://www.democracynow.org/

I was relieved to see Scahill and others agreeing that he should have been brought in alive. And revealing that we knew more than we let on.

For a trillion a year, our military could have done this. Maybe not. My point is, I'm not cheering about this on several fronts. One that seems to escape most is that Osama is also a figure. I guess I could sum up what I'm trying to say in another way. Belgium, Norway, Iceland. No buildings flown into there. It's as if by taking out Osama, the problem is gone. This is the problem I have with the Bush mentality. Surface oriented. As if we had nothing to do with the situation that happened. No right or wrong. We all know that it was wrong. That's academic. If one were to break this down into it's component parts, it would sound ridiculous. But why were the planes flown into the building? Because of Osama? No. He facilitated it. It's obvious to me that our meddling in the Middle East had everything to do with it. If we don't change, it can be guaranteed that there will be more Osamas. Cheering in front of the White House or not, that's a fact. Our personal habits, in combination with the corporations that are causing the military actions in the other parts of the world are responsible for what we saw, and will see, if we don't start looking at ourselves.

[unkachuck]

91. it's better....

....that he's gone on to meet his maker....some people don't know when they've over-stayed their welcome....

....but we do seem to be salivating a tad too much over his demise....

[krabigirl]

92. Nope, but I am more nauseated by the nationalism and jingoism.

[proud2BlibKansan]

93. Nope

I've been sick to my stomach over it all day long.

First thing that happened to me when I got to work today was a republican I work with said "I'm glad they got him, but I won't rejoice over any death".

Made me really stop and think.

[aikoaiko]

94. No, several people on DU are wringing their hands about it.

[midnight]

95. No you are not alone. K&R

[tranche]

98. You are not better than anyone else.

You just feel skeezy.

[FedUpWithIt All]

99. You're not the only one.

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." – Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

[laylah]

100. Not at all. nt

[Blue Owl]

101. +1

The "USA USA USA" chants are a little "GET A BRAIN MORANS!!!" -- don't you think?

[gratuitous]

105. Not at all

And what's really skeezy or skeevy is to read the posts that feature some variation on "Ordinarily I believe in X, but in this case I make a happy exception." If you really and truly believe in the Constitution, or anything else, you have to believe in it even for someone accused of heinous acts. Especially for someone accused of heinous acts. Because otherwise, you don't really believe in X.

I am aware that for 10 years our official sources have drummed into our heads that Osama bin Laden was the mastermind or the inspiration or the instigator or the muse of the 9/11 attacks. I know that we the people were promised a white paper from the Bush administration that would lay out the case irrefutably. The white paper has never come out. If our government has evidence, it hasn't been published. And after the lies, the prevarications, the statements not intended to be taken as true, the misstatements, the obfuscations, and all the rest, I'm not content to just take someone else's word for it.

That doesn't mean I'm a LIHOPer or a MIHOPer. I just haven't seen the evidence for what "everybody knows" is true. And now? Well, we'll never know now, will we?

X = Opposition to death penalty, following the rule of law, whatever.

[cherokeeprogressive]

106. Unless you posted this without reading a single thread on DU today...

I'll assume that your question is rhetorical and that you already knew the answer.

[Bonobo]

107. DU sounds like it was replaced by members of Freeperland overnight.

[bermudat]

108. No you are not the only one

It is unseemly for a modern country like the USA to be hooting and hollering. He should die for his role in 9/11. Bush/cheney are responsible for the 5K dead American soldiers and the several hundred thousand dead Iraqis. More than bin Laden.

[snot]

109. No.

[Iggo]

110. Nope.

:hi:

[DefenseLawyer]

111. Most people go through life

just trying to sit at the cool table at lunch.

[AsahinaKimi]

113. My answer is no..

You are not alone.

[Sabriel]

114. Nauseated's a good word for it.

It's just a ramped-up version of NBA players standing over their downed opponents.

Except with more gore and potential repercussions.

We're not the classiest nation around, in case you haven't noticed.

Somehow I can't picture Canadians, for example, gathering to sing O Canada after killing someone.

United Skeezies of America

(Edit: Bad index finger! Bad!)

[ismnotwasm]

115. Hell no

Grosses me out.

[Desertrose]

116. You're not alone....

Makes me wonder about a lot of things.....

[cali]

119. it doesn't sit well with me.

[myrna minx]

120. Nope. n/t