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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:30 AM
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CANADA ELECTION THREAD
Edited on Mon May-02-11 11:42 AM by JackRiddler

A historic shift appears imminent in today's Canadian election.



Our Canadian Friends and All Friends of Canada are invited here to post news and developments throughout the day, and updates as results start coming in tonight.

The Conservatives under the Bush-cloned Stephen Harper are seeking an absolute majority of seats with the intent to commit mayhem on Canada's social democracy. Canada is in a barely-concealed constitutional crisis. Harper's minority government was hit by a no-confidence vote on March 25, as the opposition parties in the House of Commons found the government in contempt of the parliament.

To the left of the moribund Liberals, an avowedly small-s socialist NDP appears set to swallow the Bloc Quebecois vote, and is rising as the strongest opposition party throughout the country. Ontario is the main battleground, but even prairie-state districts are suddenly thought to be in play.

According to the pollsters, the NDP may even ride the surge to victory.

Reference thread on the NDP: "A Caucus of Kuciniches and Sanderses"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1000437

I don't know if there will be US television coverage, which we might hope for from C-SPAN. If anyone knows a good live stream, tell us.


Some stories to prime the pump...

http://www.care2.com/causes/politics/blog/where-when-and-why-to-vote-in-the-canadian-election-may-2/

Canada's 41st Federal Election Begins

2011-05-02 22:32:27 Xinhua Web Editor: Gong

After a 37-day fierce campaign, Canada's 41st federal election began on Monday morning and voters cast their ballots in 308 electoral districts for 308 members of the House of Commons in Parliament.

The party, which has most MPs, will form the federal government with its leader as the Prime Minister.

Canada's political leaders campaigned all day Sunday, trying for the last hours to woo voters in race that pollsters say is a statistical tie.

An EKOS Research poll showed the Conservative Party at 34.6 percent, the New Democratic Party at 31.4 percent, the Liberal Party at 20.4 percent, the Green Party 6.3 percent, and the Bloc Quebecois, which only runs candidates in Quebec, at 5 per cent.



The Chinese news service (who better to get your Canadian news from?) reports that the EKOS poll has a margin of error of 3 percent.

Broadcasting of first results will start at 10 p.m. EST after polls have closed in British Columbia.


Read the following to spot some astonishing differences between the Canadian democracy and the US... um, elections.



http://www.care2.com/causes/politics/blog/where-when-and-why-to-vote-in-the-canadian-election-may-2/

In order to vote on May 2, you need to head to a polling station, and you need to be registered to vote in Canada. If you aren't registered or aren't sure, don't worry: you can register just before you vote. You will need to prove that you're a Canadian citizen over 18 years of age or older as of May 2, and you will need proof of identification and address. If you have already received a Voter Information Card, then you are registered to vote. You can simply follow the instructions on where to vote that were provided to you on that card.

SNIP

Not sure when you'll vote? By law, Canadian electors must have three consecutive hours available on Election Day to vote. If hours of work do not provide for three consecutive hours, your employer is obliged to work with you to make these hours available in order to vote.

Once the polls close, the ballots will be counted. Election results will be broadcast locally by an increasingly frenzied media as the polls close and vote counts are returned (although websites -- and Twitter -- may be muzzled until the last polls in the West are closed.)

Canada's electoral system is based on the "First Past The Post" concept, meaning that the only vote you'll cast tomorrow is for your local candidate. The candidate that gets the most votes will win the riding; the political party who wins the most ridings will be invited to form the next Canadian government. Given that the last three elections have resulted in minority governments, it is more important than ever that every single eligible voter casts a ballot. Here are the party platforms. If needed, you can find more information about your local candidates online.


Oh, and they forgot to mention:

It's all Hand-Counted Paper Ballots.



CANADIAN BLOGGERS: WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-02/canada-election-result-bloggers-face-fines-under-1938-law.html

Canada Election Result Bloggers Face Fines Under 1938 Law

Social media and a 73-year-old law may be headed for a collision today when Canada holds a national election as tweeters and bloggers face the possibility of C$25,000 ($26,400) fines for posting results before the polls close in the West.

Under section 329 of the Canada Elections Act, no one is allowed to transmit early election results from one region to other areas where the polls are still open. The provision dates to 1938 - long before television and the Internet - and was intended to prevent broadcasts of results in Eastern Canada from influencing voters in the West, as much as four and a half hours behind.

The law distinguishes between transmission - broadcasting to an audience - and communication among individuals. In the modern world of instant tweets and blogs, that distinction may be blurry. Elections Canada says that section 329 applies to all transmissions, regardless of the medium.

“What we’re seeing now is the advent of what’s being commonly called social media platforms, Facebook etcetera, which are adding a new dimension to the immediacy of communication,” Elections Canada spokesman John Enright said in a phone interview from Ottawa. “That being said, 329 is still on the books.”




Let's keep this kicked through the day and SEE YOU AT 10PM Eastern!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:31 AM
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1. Shake a leg Canadians and show us Yanks how it's done. n/t
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:33 AM
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2. CSPAN-2
The 2006 federal election was on CSPAN-2. I don't know if that's standard practice.

Now that I'm living in the Great Lakes region, I just watch our CBC feed. (Channel 59 in Toledo if any locals read this!)
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:07 PM
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6. Thanks & I hope that's true.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:35 AM
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3. A clear NDP victory would be awesome. (Unlikely maybe, but even a strong showing would be great.)
I'm admittedly not super-informed about Canadian politics, but I do pay attention to Canada, and love listening to CBC.

Whatever, happens though, it seems clear that real liberals/progressives are actually succeeding in building an alternative political presence up there that should be a lesson here in the US.
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:49 PM
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11. The riding I live in....
Edited on Mon May-02-11 12:59 PM by murphyj87
The riding I live in has a sitting Liberal MP. In the parts of the riding I've seen, there are 15 NDP lawn signs for every Liberal lawn sign, and I haven't seen a single Conservative lawn sign. Riding polls released on Friday tend to estimate that the Liberal may get about 15,000 votes and the NDP about 14,615. In other words 385 votes might change the outcome one way or the other, and an NDP member was elected here provincially. It seems the Conservative here might be lucky to get 10,000 votes.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:35 AM
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4. Voted this morning. Easy Peasy.
In and out in 5 minutes. NDP all the way!

Travaillons Ensemble!
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:47 AM
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5. After he loses how quickly will Harper be gone
Oh! dammit I have got to quit putting cart in front of horse.
Here's hoping. Will be checking in.
CSPAN did carry the last election results for Canada in the US. Fun to see the contrast to what we get here.
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crazylikafox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:08 PM
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7. Great information. Thanks for posting
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:14 PM
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8. Go NDP! I like small "s" socialist..........
I IS one! :)
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:23 PM
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9. CBC is reporting.....
Edited on Mon May-02-11 12:36 PM by murphyj87
CBC is reporting that there are robocalls in Guelph and Ottawa telling people that their polling place had changed, and they showed up where the call told them to go only to find it was a ruse to deceive them, and there was no polling place there.

An interesting question is:

If Jack Layton were to be Prime Minister, would his wife MP Olivia Chao be in the cabinet? (they live in HER riding BTW)
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:37 PM
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36. She'd be a shoo-in for Minister of Immigrationy
Chow has represented her mostly ethnic area for decades. Even when she was on Toronto City Council in the 90s.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:48 PM
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10. Kick. I'm REALLY interested in this.........
nm
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:49 PM
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12. k&r n/t
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:01 PM
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13. It would seem obvious...
Edited on Mon May-02-11 01:01 PM by regnaD kciN
An EKOS Research poll showed the Conservative Party at 34.6 percent, the New Democratic Party at 31.4 percent, the Liberal Party at 20.4 percent, the Green Party 6.3 percent, and the Bloc Quebecois, which only runs candidates in Quebec, at 5 per cent.

...that the only possible outcome with such numbers will be a minority coalition government yet again -- and that Harper and the Conservatives will get the first crack at forming a coalition. I just hope (but don't expect) that one of the "left-of-center" parties won't pull a (U.K.) Liberal Democrats act and become the enablers for several more years of Dubya North.



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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:04 PM
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15. The NDP becoming the main opposition is a big shift in itself. Hope Liberal voters don't...
play spoilers now!

;)
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CanSocDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:01 PM
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14. My riding....


...bounces back and forth between free-enterpriser's and social democrats. Much like the province. Historically, it's time to get back to democracy so the people are shuffling to the left. I think, around here, the Harper Gov is even forcing the liberals to the left.

Democracy....NOW!!

.
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northamericancitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:07 PM
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16.  Fellow Canadians: Go vote !
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:34 PM
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17. Sending all positive energy to good neighbors for an NDP majority.
Okanogan native from the States side here. Used to hang in Osoyoos, Oliver, and Penticton before moving south.

Good luck, eh? Show us how it's done.
:bounce:
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:39 PM
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18. Despite my NDP leanings........
Edited on Mon May-02-11 01:41 PM by murphyj87
Despite my NDP leanings (45 years of voting NDP both federally and provincially), I doubt that anyone will have an outright majority. With 5 parties, a majority government is quite doubtful in any federal election.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:08 PM
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19. FIVE HOURS left until results start coming in...
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:23 PM
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20. 2 hours here.......
Edited on Mon May-02-11 04:32 PM by murphyj87
Results start being broadcast in each time zone at 8:30 PM.... Starting at 8:30 in Newfoundland (Newfoundland time is 30 minutes ahead of Atlantic time) = 7:00 PM Eastern time .... then 8:30 Atlantic time (here) = 7:30 Eastern time etc.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:31 PM
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21. I thought no results allowed until all polls are closed, i.e. British Columbia is also closed.
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:37 PM
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22. Oh no...
Edited on Mon May-02-11 04:54 PM by murphyj87
Results are broadcast in each time zone and anywhere east of it as soon as the polls are closed (8:30 pm) IN EACH TIME ZONE...... They may not be broadcast in areas where the polls are still open (and on the Internet I guess), but we will start getting our results and everything east of us at 8:30 our time = 7:30 Eastern time, and the same applies in each time zone.

Each time zone has a sub-network which is activated, and results available, as soon as the polls close in that time zone.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 05:22 PM
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26. How can they pretend nowadays that a local broadcast is not equivalent to a global one?
I think it would be right to simply not release results prior to closing polls in BC.

Anyway.
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 05:30 PM
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27. Stations are....
Edited on Mon May-02-11 05:35 PM by murphyj87
Stations are added to election coverage on time zone by time zone basis. When the polls are open, stations maintain regular programming.

That law was put on the books when there was no TV, let alone internet.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:41 PM
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23. Kicking and hoping !
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 05:09 PM
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24. BAck to the front!
nm
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 05:20 PM
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25. Is that...
Is that anything like "side by each" (= side by side) as the Newfoundlanders say?
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 05:59 PM
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28. Nope. I'm not even Canadian, just interested
Basically it means back to the front page. Because I am interested. Just a way to kick the thread kicked.
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:17 PM
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30. Oh, ok...LOL
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:04 PM
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29. Hope again.
I wait anxiously for the results. When might they be expected?
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:18 PM
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31. Polls closed in...
Edited on Mon May-02-11 06:20 PM by murphyj87
Newfoundland 20 minutes ago, and close here in 10 minutes. 8:30 local time.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:22 PM
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32. At least the ridings in NS look mostly secure
It seems likely that MacKay's going to get the boot, which will make me all sorts of happy.

I also kinda liked being equally unoffended by the two candidates in my riding most likely to win.
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:26 PM
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33. It wouldn't surprise me
for this riding (Dartmouth) to go from Liberal to NDP, as it did provincially.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:46 PM
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37. That does seem most likely
I hope it does, though I wouldn't be terribly offended if it didn't, since I figure we could do worse than Savage. I liked the previous NDP rep, though.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:31 PM
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34. K&R.
:thumbsup:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:36 PM
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35. Recommend
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:54 PM
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38. Voters in Guelph get bogus calls about polling station changes
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/984133--voters-in-guelph-get-bogus-calls-about-polling-station-changes?bn=1

Elections Canada was flooded with complaints Monday after dozens of Guelph homes received phone calls directing them to a polling station that didn’t exist.

Elections Canada receptionist Adele McAlpina said she had received about 100 complaints by mid-morning.

McAlpina said the calls were “bogus,” and warned voters to be wary of anyone telling them not to go to their assigned polling station.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 07:07 PM
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40. I hope this is illegal. If so, will there be consequences?
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:58 PM
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39. I voted NDP baby,,,,,our riding is a vast majority of lefties and centre left
Edited on Mon May-02-11 06:58 PM by Evoman
but the vote gets split, and the slimy conservatives ride into power. God I fucking hate conservatives.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 07:11 PM
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41. Indicators from the maritime provinces suggest Liberals may be bleeding votes to both, NDP and Cons.
What a bittersweet outcome it would be, if NDP triples its bloc and becomes the main opposition, but the Cons get just the dozen seats' gain they need for the majority.

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 07:13 PM
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42. Confirmed: ELECTION RESULTS WILL BE LIVE ON C-SPAN 2 STARTING AT 10PM
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 08:14 PM
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49. CBC live coverage at 9:30
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 08:15 PM
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50. Hey! The Polls have been closed for 15 MINUTES and no results!
No leaked exit polls.....

No endless pontification...

What the heck kind of election is this?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:02 PM
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61. Thank you -- got it !!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 07:13 PM
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43. K & R
Go Canada!! Defeat Harper!
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 07:17 PM
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44. Tomorrow Canadians may elect "a caucus of Kuciniches and Sanderses"
Thank you for starting this thread! I remember this from a few days ago and was wondering today how the election was going.

This is something to celebrate, if indeed they win! :applause:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:08 PM
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64. Pray the Fates would do such a thing -- !!! However ...
Edited on Mon May-02-11 09:09 PM by defendandprotect
C-span was reporting Conservatives doing well across Canada!!

NDP 78 just bounced to 83 - LIB 29

Con 133 at this moment -

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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:31 PM
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90. Just saw the results, heart-breaking!
What is going on in this world where the bad guys keep winning? :cry:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:35 AM
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95. Could it be only Egypt had stolen elections?
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 07:39 PM
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45. K&R
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 07:41 PM
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46. A little kick, ay?
Edited on Mon May-02-11 07:42 PM by Armstead
Sorry, ay.
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strategery blunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 07:50 PM
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47. K&R
to make it easier to find the results later :)
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 07:55 PM
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48. Canadaian right wingers are every bit as slimy as American ones.
Good luck, Canada.
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 08:20 PM
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51. Kick
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 08:24 PM
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52. What no news yet???? I'm getting antsy.......
Eh? :)
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 08:27 PM
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54. Me too. Two more hours? or am I in the wrong time zone?
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 08:44 PM
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57. Ontario, Quebec, and Manitoba
Are just starting to report
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 08:27 PM
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53. Here's the CBC Interactive Map to check up on the results.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/

My riding (Laurier/Ste-Marie), sees MP Gilles Duceppe (BQ Leader) winning by slightest margin ever.

Go Hélène! :)
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 08:29 PM
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55. Doesn't work (yet) from BC...
... how are the NDP doing in general?
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 08:45 PM
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58. Picked up two seats in the Maritimes.
At Liberals expense, per last info received.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 08:44 PM
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56. Lots of tweets up about Atlantic Canada
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strategery blunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:00 PM
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59. It's 10:00, dammit!
Where are the results? :)
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:01 PM
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60. k/r
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:04 PM
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62. CBC's already calling a Conservative win...
Edited on Mon May-02-11 09:05 PM by SidDithers
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:04 PM
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63. YIKES!! C-span is saying conservatives are winning ... "across Canada" --- ????
Edited on Mon May-02-11 09:07 PM by defendandprotect
I tuned in for this????

Noooooo -- Nooooooooooo-- !!

NDP 78 -- LIB 30

Con 131 ---

How do we look at this ... Do we combine the NDP and Lib vote?

Con dropped from 135 to 132 now --


10:07 pm here --
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:13 PM
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67. 100 ridings less than 50 votes difference though
NDP has double the best it ever had
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:19 PM
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72. I'm depressed -- could you explain that .... especially if it's good news?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:12 PM
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65. 10:11PM ON C-SPAN 2 CANADA REPORT: LOOKS SCREWED!!!
Liberals are being WIPED OUT in seats but have held well enough to split it badly so that the Cons are geting in.

Cons looking to get a majority on just 38%.

NDP has swallowed BQ and are on the way to near-tripling their seats.

SEATS SO FAR -- PROJECTIONS

CON 138 +22 (need only +9 for majority)
NDP 87 +50 or more
LIB 30
BQ 4

Percentages:
CON 38ish
NDP 30ish
LIB 29ish
BQ 3 or so

Ignatieff may be wiped out in his district.

We're looking at a very low pct. of the vote count. In Ontario like 3 or 4 percent of the total vote counted.

QUOTE: "They (the Cons) can end up winning more seats with LESS VOTES than they had last time."

Damn, damn, damn the winner-take-all system. 60+ percent of the people are about to be disenfranchised.

Slim hope remains. Lead is less than 150 votes in many ridings, at least 100 are too-close-to-call (though many of these ARE projected).

.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:12 PM
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66. So will there be a rematch anytime in the forseeable future?
Does this mean you poor Canadians have to live under the Conservatives for a long time more?

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:13 PM
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68. Good luck to the anti-Con parties -- fingers-crossed -- !!!
Edited on Mon May-02-11 09:19 PM by defendandprotect
At the moment via C-span

Con 139

NDP 88

LIB 29
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:13 PM
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69. CBC just declares the NDP will be Official Opposition
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:15 PM
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70. but everything's pointing to a CON majority, no no no!
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:20 PM
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73. I'll add another NO
Disappointment doesn't do justice.

Canada needs runoff elections or something. This is just messed up.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:19 PM
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71. NDP CURRENTLY PROJECTED AT 92 SEATS (TRIPLE)
Cons 40 percent
NDP 30 percent
LIB 23.5 percent
GRN 3.2 percent
BQ/OTHER 3.1

CONS are at 146 seats = ALMOST AT MAJORITY.

LIBS 32 seats.

BQ 4 seats.


IN ONTARIO:

CONS +18 seats.
NDP +6
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:21 PM
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10:21 PM: NDP AT 98 SEATS, CONS "still frozen" AT 142, LIBS 30, BQ 4
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:21 PM
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74. 10:21 PM: NDP AT 98 SEATS, CONS "still frozen" AT 142, LIBS 30, BQ 4
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:23 PM
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75. IGNATIEFF LOSING HIS SEAT! GREAT NEWS!
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:52 PM
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103. How was that great news?
That's one of the problems, the NDP should have attacked the TORIES. :eyes:
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:24 PM
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76. Montreal's Gay Village et environs
NDP - Hélène Laverdière 49%
BQ - Gilles Duceppe 29%

Hah!!!! :) :) :)
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:27 PM
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77. CBC projecting BQ down from 47 seats to only 4...
Edited on Mon May-02-11 09:27 PM by brooklynite
Most seats shifting to NDP (vote up 30% in Quebec).
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:30 PM
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78. I've never seen a map of Quebec draped in orange.
Remarkable...
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:38 PM
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79. Apparently BQ is at risk of losing it's "official" status
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:05 PM
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82. The separatist movement in Qc just got a good old-fashioned kick in the groin.
Can't wait for the soprano-voiced whining and finger-pointing tomorrow. The French press is gonna skewer these idiots for making them look so stupid. ;)
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:16 PM
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86. I believe you meant "coup de pied dans l'aine "
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:30 PM
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89. Bien sur......
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:46 PM
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80. 10:44PM: CONS projected at a majority of 164, NDP 103, LIBS 32 - NOT FINAL
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:01 PM
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81. 11PM - CBC CALLING CON MAJORITY...
CONS 164, NDP 109, LIB 30, BQ 3, GRN 1

Percentage shares of vote as of last time shown:
CONS 40, NDP 31, LIB 20

Ignatieff is definitely losing his seat, Rae (his in-party opponent) has taken Toronto Center.

NDP is picking up 70 SEATS.

Sigh.
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:09 PM
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83. I've said it for years.
Bob Rae would have made a better Lib Leader than Iggy. Now I can rub it in my bro-in-law's face. :)
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:13 PM
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85. I am so pissed off. How can Canadians be so fucking stupid? And I'm pisssed off with the NDP
though my family's been NDP since it started. Very pissed that their ads went after the Liberal leader Ignatiff instead of Harper. Big fucking deal the NDP is in oppostion that means dick all when the COnservatives have a majority.

I voted NDP stragetically to prevent a this from happening. This is disasterous.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:10 PM
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84. The Opposition Party gets an "Official Residence"?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:23 PM
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87. sweet, i guess. (blah)
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:28 PM
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88. NDP Won 2.4 times the most seats it had ever won previously
Edited on Mon May-02-11 11:24 PM by murphyj87
The previous high for the NDP was 43.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:33 PM
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91. Ignatieff concession speech -- he did not resign...
and looks forward to continuing to lead the Libs (over more cliffs).

And this although he lost his own seat.

It's up to his mates to behead him, predictably.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:13 PM
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92. Looks like the Liberals and the Bloc Quebecois are dead. Long Live the NDP!
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:22 PM
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93. after Mulroney
Conservatives had 2 seats.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:36 PM
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94. Quebec's left leaning majority sent messages (through polls)
Edited on Mon May-02-11 11:38 PM by Amonester
to the left leaning majority in the rest of Canada that they had to vote for the NDP (instead of the 'new' center-right Liberals) if they wanted to beat harper and his stupid, retrograde neocons.

Quebec delivered.

Where was the ROC's Left? :shrug:



And now, a minority of voters (the stupidzzzzzz) gave harper the green light to do everything he wants (destroy Canada) for 4 or 5 years.

What a shame. :grr:
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 07:30 AM
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96. Unfortunately Greater Toronto sent its own message: "I am afraid!"...
The Conservative seat gains there alone were the difference. This was where the Liberals held enough to split many key seats and allow Con wins.

And, of course, as in the rest of the country, most of the people voted to oust the conservatives. Winner-take-all is the fatal flaw.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 12:01 PM
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99. Winner take all is the great flaw here, as well, in our own elections -- !!
We need broader representation --

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 09:42 AM
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97. Ignatieff is resigning after all.
Unfortunately, barring some huge unexpected crisis that brings down Harper, the Cons are locked in as a quasi-dictatorship for the next four years.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 11:38 AM
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98. Damn, Canada, you pulled me in for another soul-crushing disappointment.
Never mind, hyperbole.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 12:03 PM
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100. Is it now official that Canada is under as heavy attack by corps/elites as we are in US?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 12:03 PM
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101. By next week it certainly will be.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:36 PM
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102. A fascinating post-mortem on Liberal strategy against the NDP from Globe and Mail...
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/second-reading/silver-powers/the-liberal-party-what-went-wrong-and-where-to-next/article2008011/singlepage/#articlecontent



We entered the election with a clear strategy to triangulate the NDP on just about every single issue save Afghanistan. Pick an issue, look at the NDP, look at the Liberals, we consistently got as close to them as possible. The strategy was to push the NDP down, polarize the election as a choice between us and the Conservatives and bob’s your uncle. At least that was the theory.

For the first two weeks of the campaign, the strategy was partially working. The election was polarizing between the Conservatives and Liberals. The NDP’s numbers were staying low. Sure, the Liberals were still double-digit support behind the Conservatives but to the extent the strategy was intended to achieve certain results, there was hope.

And then the debates came, Jack Layton started to gain traction (for a bunch of reasons that will be analyzed to death here and elsewhere) and then the fatal flaws of the strategy quickly crystallized. In short: (a) Layton’s NDP have never been and never were going to be the NDP of 1993. We were never going to get them under 15 per cent, never mind the 7 per cent they got in 1993 – to think otherwise was based on hope not reality; (b) You can’t fake sincerity. The NDP believed in the positions both parties took, the Liberals less so. The voters got that. Why vote for a pale pink imitation when you can vote for the real thing; (c) It allowed the NDP to jujitsu us aside rather easily by focusing on leadership given that there was little to distinguish our platforms; And (d) once the NDP gained momentum, we had little to go after them over.

...
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