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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 12:31 PM
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Mayor Blomberg: When I ask Congress whats in this bill they can't tell me
DAMN!!! thats not good if true
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 12:35 PM
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1. Mayor McCheese was really talking shit last week. And now Blomberg?
:scared:
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 12:36 PM
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2. Name names, Bloomberg. Otherwise give it a rest.
Such accusations are as easy to make as they are empty.

But Bloomberg knows that the rabble will eat it up because few of them have ever read a 2000-page anything.

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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 02:08 PM
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11. Yes!
Names AND party affiliation. I have no doubt that a LOT of the (R)s probably can't tell him what is in it. They don't CARE what is in it. They're going to say no anyway, so why bother to read?
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 12:36 PM
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3. Well, which bill is he talking about?
There are still two completely different bills (House and Senate). They are miles and miles apart. Even on some fundamental issues (like Public Option). So yeah, nobody can tell him. Ask the right question "What's in the Senate HCR bill?" and even a lay person (not a congressional staffer) can outline it for him. There are many summaries on the "intertubes". Probably even a few Senators (like Bernie Sanders, Jay Rockefeller, etc) who could tell him.

Probably more than one Repuke pol is willfully ignorant of the bill just so they can say "nobody knows, it's too complex!".
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 12:38 PM
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4. Really? Exactly who did he ask?
Mike is full of shit, I bet he talked to exactly *0* members of Congress about the bill.

Name the names, or shut your piehole.

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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 12:42 PM
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5. Why not call them up after conference committee and then they can have an honest answer?
"This bill" doesn't really have much of a solid definition at this point.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 12:52 PM
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8. Senate conservadems will vote against HCR if is changed by the House
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 12:44 PM
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6. The Patriot Act?
:shrug:
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 02:01 PM
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10. In Fahrenheit 911, John Conyers admitted that members don't read the legislation they vote on.
On the record.

And between you and me, I don't think their staff does either.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 12:50 PM
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7. Bloomberg On Health Care: You Have To Question The Govt. We Have
Bloomberg On Health Care: You Have To Question The Govt. We Have

On Sunday, however, Bloomberg threw a wrinkle into the relationship when he leveled a rather sharp critique at the health care legislation Obama is poised to sign into law.

"You know, if you really want to object to something in this bill, number one, I have asked congressperson after congressperson. Not one can explain to me what's in the bill, even in the House version. Certainly not in the other version," Bloomberg said during an appearance on "Meet the Press." "And so for them to vote on a bill that they don't understand whatsoever, really, you got to question how-- what kind of government we have. Number two, when they talk about bending the curve as -- the governor said, bending the curve is a flimflam euphemism for increasing costs, but we're going to say we'll do it at slightly lower rate than we would have otherwise."

"They are not talking about reducing costs," he added. "They're talking about changing the first derivate, slowing the growth down. And when you look at where the cost savings are going to be, well, they're going to cut something out of Medicare and Medicaid. Now anybody that runs for office will tell you, you don't do that. I mean, the bottom line is it's so politically explosive, it really would be a first time in the history of the world that they ever cut anything (from those programs)."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/27/bloomberg-on-health-care_n_404271.html
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 12:55 PM
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9. Why on Earth do we care what Bloomberg says or thinks? n/t
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 02:30 PM
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12. 2 Reasons: #1 Obama wants his "terror trial" in NY
So you will be hearing a lot from Bloomberg in the next year. I'd like to know who is going to be picking up the tab for all the extra security we will be having. NY is in the midst of it's own financial crisis. This will add to the expense. It's not like we couldn't get "justice" in any other Federal Court in the country. Like one could ever get "justice" for what happened here on 9/11. Obama & Holder want it here. So be it. So get use to hearing from Bloomberg. Bloomberg is wise to question everything, because the State also has to know how much money it is going to have to lay out for the new health care plan, in addition to its other expenses. It's his job to know what's in the health care bill, how much it will cost and whether or not we can afford it. He has every right to ask questions. I remember when "Question everything" was what we were suppose to do.
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 02:32 PM
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14. And Reason #2 "States With Expanded Health Coverage Fight Bill"
Another reason Bloomberg has an interest:

States that have already broadly expanded health care coverage are pushing back against the Senate overhaul bill, arguing that it unfairly penalizes them in favor of states that have done little or nothing to extend benefits to the uninsured.

With tax revenues down and budgets breaking, the states — including Arizona, California, New Jersey, New York and Wisconsin — say they cannot afford to essentially subsidize other states’ expansion of health care.

But the roughly 20 states that have already expanded coverage in some form will pay a greater proportion of their new Medicaid costs under the bill than those states, largely in the South, that until now have covered relatively few of their poorest residents.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/health/policy/27states.html?_r=2

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nonsequitur Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 02:31 PM
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13. I don't know what's in it. I attempted to read it,. Who can understand completely 2500 pages of ..
garbled jargon. I want to know in simple terms, what exactly are the mandates and what are the benefits I will get, if any. I think the bill in the Senate and House stink. They can explain so that we are all able to understand it and I may change my mind entirely. As of now, I hope they get a better bill or start over. What scares me is that we are going to own this 100 percent. If it's a bad bill, I dread 2010. 2012, the thought of a Palin scares the living piss out of me.
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 02:38 PM
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15. Agree
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