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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 10:35 AM
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Social Insurance and Unemployment: Do People Deserve Poverty?
Edited on Mon Nov-28-11 11:00 AM by ProSense

Social Insurance and Unemployment: Do People Deserve Poverty?

Casey Mulligan claims that social insurance is a big reason that unemployment is so high:

Were it not for government assistance,... the recession would have pushed 4.2 percent of the population into poverty, rather than 0.6 percent.

One interpretation of these results is that the safety net did a great job... Perhaps if the 2009 stimulus law had been a little bigger or a little more oriented to safety-net programs, all seven would have been caught.

Another interpretation is that the safety net has taken away incentives... Of course, most people work hard despite a generous safety net, and 140 million people are still working today. But in a labor force as big as ours, it takes only a small fraction of people who react to a generous safety net by working less to create millions of unemployed. I suspect that employment cannot return to pre-recession levels until safety-net generosity does, too.

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The idea that the unemployment problem is due to lack of effort on behalf of the unemployed rather than a lack of demand is convenient for the moralists, but inconsistent with the facts. The problem is lack of demand, not the means through which we smooth the negative consequences of recessions.

But what really irks me is the implicit moralizing, the idea that people deserve to be thrown into poverty. Someone who gets up every day and goes to a job day after day, often a job they don't like very much, to support their families can suddenly become unemployed in a recession through no fault of their own. They did nothing wrong -- it's not their fault the economy went into a recession and they certainly couldn't be expected to foresee a recession that experts such as Casey Mulligan missed entirely. They had no reason to believe they had chosen the wrong place to go to work, but unemployment hit them anyway. And since one of the biggest causes of foreclosure is an event like unemployment, it's entirely possible that this household would lose its home, be forced to declare bankruptcy, etc., and end up in severe poverty if there were no social services to rely upon.

What moral lesson is being taught here? Why does this household deserve to be punished for their bad decisions? It did nothing wrong. I understand that people should suffer the consequences of their own bad choices, but that's not what happens in recessions. People who have done nothing to deserve it are nevertheless hit by severe negative shocks. That's what social insurance is for, to smooth the path for such unfortunate households, to avoid sending people into poverty who have done nothing to deserve it (see "The Need for Social Insurance"). It is not an attempt to reward bad behavior and most programs do their best to avoid giving benefits to people who have made bad choices (for example, the system is far from perfect but in most states unemployment insurance can only be obtained if you lose your job through no fault of your, e.g. if you quit or get yourself fired it is not available). The extent to which we should distinguish between deserving and undeserving households for social insurance programs is debatable and depends upon the type of program, but the idea that all households are undeserving is, in my view, simply wrong. I would apply the social safety net widely myself -- I think the benefit of the doubt should go to compassion, not harshness and moralizing -- but in any case I'd dispute the idea that "safety-net generosity" is too high. If anything, we are not generous enough.


Blaming the unemployed is beyond idiotic and immoral.

People are losing their homes and life savings, and these morons feel the need to beat them down even more.

Still, why exactly does anyone believe unemployment is a prize that would keep anyone from seeking a job?

Are unemployment benefits no longer temporary?

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States determine the amount of the benefits, but they average 36 percent of the average weekly wage, according to the National Employment Law Center. Recipients must look for work. Boyd said he has applied for 20 jobs in the past four months but has gotten only a few calls back. He has, however, looked only for jobs that pay above the minimum wage.

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Imagine someone earning minimum wage, about $250 per week. After losing a job, that person could qualify for about 33 percent (average) of that amount, or $82 per week. At 70 percent, it would be $175.

Edited: With about half the states capping benefits at less than $400 per week and the others ranging from $400 to about $600 (the average is about $400), imagine people with higher incomes losing their jobs.

The argument makes no sense and is morally bankrupt, but it's to be expected from those who believe that only RW hypocrites deserve unemployment benefits.

Remember when NJ Governor Chris Christie fired his Education Commissioner: Schundler requested firing instead of resignation so he can collect unemployment

Idea of the Day: An End to Unemployment Benefits Would Threaten Economic Recovery (Center for American Progress)

Currently, there are nearly five workers actively searching for work for every job available, compared to just one and a half job searchers per job opening before the Great Recession began. Allowing unemployment benefits to expire amid such a weak labor market would have serious implications for the unemployed, as well as every one of us who still has a job.

The reason: An end to the benefits would threaten our economic recovery. Economists across the board agree that unemployment benefits are one of the most important countercyclical economic policies we have, helping those who do not have jobs with assistance that is immediately spent in the broader economy. Over the past few years, according to a detailed study by Wayne Vroman for the Department of Labor, benefits for the long-term unemployed led to the creation of about 700,000 new jobs each quarter.

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 03:18 PM
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1. If you don't have enough money
IT'S YOUR FAULT!
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ArtiChoke Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 04:22 PM
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2. The name Mulligan implies...
... a swing and a miss.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 04:29 PM
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3. Right wingers are so obsessed over this crap
They'd rather there be no safety net because of their alleged concern that people won't be motivated to work. They are more concerned with the moralizing that with the plight of the poor.



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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:50 AM
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5. Come to Jesus!
:fistbump:
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 06:29 PM
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4. I am thankful for my social net..UI
I was RIF from a project that came to an end, and I have been receiving UI since then. But, I have not just been taking it in and not doing anything either, I have been going to University since before I was RIF and my grades are good.

If it was not for UI, I do not think I would be attending Unversity in the capacity that I am now. I do not feel that I am taking advantage of the UI and I have never needed food stamps either, not that it is a terrible thing to need them but I have never needed to use them.

Without those social safety nets, the crime rate would be through the roof and dooming people to death because they lost their job or aquired a terminal illness is unacceptable.
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