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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:24 PM Original message |
Ezra Klein: The Most Important Table You'll Read Today |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. Thanks for posting this, not to surprised to see somebody had already unrecced it tho n/t |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
2. I see we already have another knee jerk 'Unrecommend.' |
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kirby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Ignore it... |
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kirby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
3. Here is why this sucks... |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. If you don't want to sign up for the insurance companies then sign up for the non profit option |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
41. How when you don't even have access to it? |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
51. Did you really think I posted something without knowing what existed. |
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kirby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
42. Non-profit != no overhead |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. agree so why not a state public option? |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
30. ding, ding, ding! |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
4. "And if they can't get insurance, they are, of course, on the hook for everything they own." |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
5. I hope everyone who says this bill will ruin lives sees this |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
6. K&R.... |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
7. k |
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kirby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Do you have insurance thru your employer? |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
43. yes. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
10. It is not a good bill, no matter how much Ezra loves it. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Ezra Klein is a 24 yo with a BA in political science |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. He agreed to toe the line. |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
50. Klein prefers single payer, just like us--but he understands that's not possible with this Congress. |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
47. And knows a hell of a lot more than Jane Hamsher ... |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. And? |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. And? Well, if you're going to bring up credentials ... |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I have no problem with WaPo hiring him either |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Opinion is only half the story |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. None of which are academic or professional credentials. |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. You earn the title of wonk because of how you think and what you do ... |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. There was "measured study" of NAFTA and deregulating the banks |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-22-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #13 |
69. Hartmann doesn't even have that and is revered among the bill killers. (nt) |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
35. +1. And what's this crap about "going bare" for 6 months -- I mean WTF? What if you're in a bad |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
59. Look you can't vote for good, you can only vote for better |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
11. A fifth to a quarter of your income is good news? And the wages.. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Is it better than 30 to 70 percent? n/t |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Pre-tax. Based on adjusted gross income (AGI). |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
12. Yeah, we childless folks pretty much knew we'd be subsidizing parents, as per usual |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Doesn't family coverage usually encompass two adults with or without children? |
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kirby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. No... |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. I think that depends on the company. BCBS PPO FL is Individual and Family rates only. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. It goes by FPL , which is based on income and the number of people in your family. |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
45. not at my job |
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kirby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Just one detail... |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. The average family premium is over $13,500 for 2009 and climbing. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
46. The average single premium - for one person - is about $5K a year and rising. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #19 |
40. Most likely you will continue to do so and your rates will continue to go up. eom |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
14. K&R |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
18. Can we start with the bullshit about 36K being "150% of federal poverty level"? |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
39. +1 |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
55. The out-of-pocket maximums are too high, but monthly premiums are big improvement for this family |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
20. Jeebus Wept. |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
25. How very shocking and deeply surprising. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
26. Yesterday Axelrod said that premiums would be capped at 8% of annual income |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Obviously, Axelrod was mistaken. |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. If you cannot get insurance below 8 % of your revenue, you are entitled to a waiver. |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
28. So how is it that in British Columbia, a family of 3 (or is it 4?) has total out-of-pocket costs of |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Why? Because our lazy Congress is beholden to the lobbyists who fill their campaign coffers. |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. Because the rest is subsidized by taxes, as it should be and also because there is cost control, |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #38 |
60. They get healthcare. We get warfare. |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
31. Thanks for posting - note the date for figures, small print, bottom of chart - 2016 |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
32. A note on Out-of-Pocket Maximums |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #32 |
56. preventive care is free |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Wasn't aware of that... |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
33. Lots of government $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ going into those numbers |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. That's not control, it is shifting aka a con |
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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
54. They need to "bend" the cost curve even more |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
64. This is ALL just "cooling the Mark" . |
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Cowpunk (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
65. Is this stuff, like Nate Silver's, based on the version with Public Option? |
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rapturedbyrobots (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-22-09 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
66. ezra klein needs to meet some poor people |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-22-09 02:24 AM Response to Original message |
67. This chart is completely dishonest. It's a fraud |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-22-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Good point. The subsidies ought to be increased to make insurance more affordable. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-22-09 02:52 AM Response to Original message |
68. I don't think people appreciate the political importance of the subsidies |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-22-09 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
71. K & R |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-22-09 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
72. Kick!! |
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