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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 02:38 PM
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Major Win For Obama...
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http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_11/conservative_appeals_court_jud033357.php


Conservative appeals court judges side with Obama on health care

By Steve Benen



Every bit as interesting as the Obama administration’s big win today in a case challenging the Affordable Care Act are the judges who agreed with the White House’s reasoning.

A conservative-leaning panel of federal appellate judges on Tuesday upheld President Barack Obama’s health care law as constitutional, helping set up a Supreme Court fight.

A panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia issued a split opinion upholding the law. The court agreed to dismiss a Christian legal group’s lawsuit claiming the requirement that all Americans get health insurance is unconstitutional and violates religious freedom.


After five separate federal district courts heard cases on the constitutionality of the law, three appellate courts have now considered the health care law on the merits. The 6th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in June that the Affordable Care Act is perfectly constitutional, rejecting conservative arguments out of hand. In August, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals reached the opposite conclusion.

But today’s ruling from the D.C. Circuit does more than just break a rhetorical tie. It’s a major defeat for the right, in part because of the court’s role — the D.C. Circuit is generally considered the most important federal bench below the U.S. Supreme Court — and in part because of the judges who heard the case.

This legal challenge was brought by radical TV preacher Pat Robertson’s American Center for Law and Justice, which insisted that Congress does not have the power to compel Americans to purchase health care coverage. Judge Laurence Silberman, who wrote the ruling, rejected that argument.


When conservatives saw that Silberman would hear the case, they probably felt a degree of optimism. After all, the Reagan appointee has a well-deserved reputation for being one of the most right-wing jurists on the federal appeals bench, described by some court observers as “a biased judge with a hair-trigger temper and a thinly veiled partisan tint to his opinions.” Michelle Goldberg had an excellent report several years ago identifying the judge’s role in decades of far-right schemes, from the “October surprise” of 1980, to the Iran-contra trials, to the character assassination of Anita Hill, to the impeachment of President Clinton.

And even he didn’t agree with the argument against the Affordable Care Act.

This led more than a few legal observers to note this morning that if the right can’t convince Silberman, then the Obama administration’s chances of winning at the U.S. Supreme Court have improved considerably.

I’d add, by the way, that this morning’s decision was a 2-1 ruling, but the dissenter, Judge Brett Kavanaugh, a former George W. Bush aide, didn’t decide on the merits, but rather, said the question shouldn’t be considered until after the individual mandate takes effect in 2014.

Here’s a copy of the ruling. I’ll have more on this later in the afternoon.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 02:42 PM
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1. Good news indeed, well until the Supremes weigh in.
k&r

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Bryan Buchan Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 02:42 PM
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2. Hopefully not the last of many more major wins!
n/t
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Indydem Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 02:47 PM
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3. THE MANDATE IS NOT A WIN FOR PROGRESSIVES!
Forcing me to pay money to a for-profit corporation for health insurance is neither progressive, nor a "win."

I have no idea why anyone on this forum continues to perpetuate this garbage that the mandate is great, just because Obama likes it and the Democrats passed it.

It's bad law and absolutely not progressive.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 03:04 PM
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4. Except all the progressive economists, like Paul Krugman, have always supported it
Recall his blistering attacks on Obama during the primary when he tried to differentiate himself from Clinton and Edwards by saying a mandate might not be warranted. Krugman went apeshit in defense of mandates and the absolute need for one, calling the lack of a mandate in Obama's original "campaign" plan an "attack from the right":

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/07/opinion/07krugman.html

Your opposition to a mandate means you are opposed to the ability of the Affordable Care Act to work, and therefore you support the status quo, which is ten-thousand times worse. I don't think you're a progressive. I think you're a libertarian.



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great white snark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 03:52 PM
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8. Even Bernie Sanders voted for it.
So maybe it's not a win for progressives but it is for socialists?

:shrug:
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 12:59 PM
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17. Well it is better than doing nothing
That's why Bernie voted for it.

But IndyDem is right about the fact that it essentially forces people to pay money to a for-profit corporation.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 04:15 PM
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10. I agree that
'Your opposition to a mandate means you are opposed to the ability of the Affordable Care Act to work, and therefore you support the status quo, which is ten-thousand times worse'.
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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 03:30 PM
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6. While I agree with you I think it is better than our current system and a step in the right
Direction. Do you think we'd be closer to single payer, or a full government system without this?
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WonderGrunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 03:46 PM
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7. The Mandate is more harmful to Big Insurance than private individuals
because it works both ways. Because they are required to cover expensive, non-profitable patients it will eliminate the profitability of Insurance companies and cause them to fold 1 by 1 until the only thing left is government insurance.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 03:58 PM
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9. Something had to be done & sorry...
but Progressive proposals are not popular right now. I totally think Single Payer will be the end all but we are a decade away or more. The Right convince the public the ACA was a Socialist take over of health care!

There is no chance SP passes for now.

Having said that, I hope this mandate does pass legal scrutiny then when it does not work there will only be one option!

Think long term...And not just how much you dislike Obama.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 06:59 AM
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13. 70% of the public opposes the mandate.
70% supported the public option.
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ehrnst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 12:54 PM
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16. There has to be a mandate of some kind - yes it sucks that the only options are for profits
Mandates are how the rest of the world ensures that there is a big enough pool to accept and pay for those with pre-existing conditions immediately.

Single payer is not going to be on the table for a long time, nor is the demise of the for profit systemt, not with the GOP talking points entrenched as they are. This bill is a huge compromise, but it is a step in the right direction. It's 19 years average between health care reform at the national level, and the people who ARE benefitting from this now (recent college grads, medicare recipients) don't have 19 years to wait for the ideal plan.

Id' say it also sucks that the only heating options available to some people are fossil fuels. But it doesn't suck that landlords are required to provide a heat source, even if that means supporting a company that fracks for natural gas.

And when I donate to a heating fund for people during the winter, I don't consider the fund regressive because it's not giving people the option to choose solar or wind. Yep, I hate the mountaintop mining, the fracking and the offshore drilling, but the needs of people right now, before we get solar, geothermal and wind for everyone, are what concerns me as a progressive.

Same with health care. People need it, and a mandate will help to get more people covered.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 10:24 PM
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18. A mandate to buy a product from the crooks who broke the system
is no guarantee that more people will be able to actually access care.

Sure, the Profit Protection Act requires that routine screening tests be covered, but what happens when the PSA or mammogram comes back indicating some follow up is needed? I know from personal experience that it can cost several thousand dollars to find out the weird spot on mammogram is benign (lucky me, I still had good insurance then and my out of pocket was under $1,000). If you're one of the growing number of Americans who are stuck with a high deductible policy, you may just have to live with the anxiety of not knowing what, if anything, is wrong. Chances are you won't even bother with the screening tests because of this.

The PPA does nothing to outlaw these high out of pocket scams and a growing body of evidence inidcates that people with chronic conditions avoid getting routine care because they can't afford it. That's one of the reason the insurance companies are all posting bigger than expected profits (while still raising rates) & now Obama & the Democrats have handed them millions of new victims to fleece.

This whole bill was nothing but a scam designed to protect the status quo and bail out another crooked industry that was going to collapse of its own weight - instead it will be propped up by the transfer of billions of public and private dollars into its pockets.


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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 03:29 PM
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5. K & R
:kick:
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 04:52 PM
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11. Of course, if the Affordable Care Act is ruled unconstitutional, a public option would
be all that's needed to make it constitutional.

The Cons may be doing us a favor.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 07:43 PM
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12. Shhh....! You're disturbing the fanfare!
I find it ironic that the Supreme Court may well support it BECAUSE it's unconstitutional.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 06:59 AM
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14. Major disaster for America.
:(
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 12:32 PM
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15. Major Win for Obama.
...and Another Major Loss for the American Working Class.

The very best thing that could happen for the future of the Democratic Party
would be for The Mandate to be struck down by the courts.
Then the Democratic Party could quickly walk away with a
"Well, We tried."

If 50 Million - 70 Million (projected uninsured 2014) Americans are forced to BUY junk Insurance
that they can't afford to use due to high Co-Pay/Deductibles,
they will not be happy.
Even with a "subsidy", most of these already hard pressed Americans will be forced to write a BIG Check every year for a product that is worthless to them.

They WILL blame the Democratic Party,
and rightly so.
The Democrats passed a Republican Insurance Scam without forcing the Republicans to take ANY responsibility.
ALL the Republicans have to do is sit back and say, "Yep. We voted against it"
and Democrats will be unelectable for a generation.

Here is what Campaign Obama said about Mandates in 2008:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acc6Wn_BWlk

It would be better for this to die a quick death in the courts
than for the Nightmare to turn REAL in 2014.




You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
Solidarity99!
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