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mcablue (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:14 PM Original message |
Feingold contradicts those who claim that Obama fought for a public option |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
1. I will be urging members of the House and Senate who draft the final bill to make sure this |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
2. Feingold contradicts those who claim the bill isn't meaningful reform |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
22. Thanks for pointing that out, Pro. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
25. You're both right. |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
80. The "cost of inaction is too high" to whom? |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:46 AM Response to Reply #80 |
83. The cost is too high for corporations and governments giving benefits to their employees... |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
3. I guess HE won't be invited to be on the conference committee. - n/t |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I think only the leadership goes to conference..... |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:17 AM Response to Reply #5 |
82. No, not generally. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
4. You've been advocating that Obama was a corporatist sell out |
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mcablue (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. You've been defending whatever Obama does and says all the time. You are very famous for that |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. There's so much to defend on DU with all the "corporate sellout" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Feingold is blaming the administration. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Feingold does a lot of |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. I've done that search too - nearly 100% anti-Obama |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. You can post all the anti-Obama articles |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Deleted sub-thread |
treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. So why is one better than the other? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. You mean he's a Democratic supporter of the Democratic President on Democratic Underground? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. No, it's the truth. Howard Dean is supporting HCR again, so those most rec'd threads will change. |
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mcablue (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. That's a stretch. It all depends on the fixes added to it |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Really? He now supports passing the Senate HCR bill he previously wanted to "kill". |
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mcablue (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. You just don't want to talk about the "fixes" do you? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. You don't want to admit that those most-rec'd OPs you mentioned are now history... |
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mcablue (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. The greatest thread right now says the Senate bill is an insurance CEO's dream |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Oh well. I guess Howard Dean's heyday has come and past now that he supports passing the Senate bill |
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mcablue (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. Again, you disappear the word "fixes," and refused to follow up on the greatest thread |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 09:02 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. Again, you refuse to admit that Howard Dean has made a 180 on the Senate bill in the past week. |
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mcablue (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 09:28 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. I explained how it wasn't a 180. And at least i didn't ignore you |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #70 |
91. Of course Dean pulled a 180, only you refuse to admit the obvious and continue to propagate fallacy. |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 02:14 AM Response to Reply #46 |
85. Ouch. Devastating rebuttal. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #85 |
92. How so? Pointing out an angry OP re: Senate doesn't refute what I or others have noted about the OP |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. You can be sure it's the right website |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. I suspected as much. And I also noticed the OP never answered the question. |
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mcablue (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I noticed that you have always been 100% pro-Obama administration |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. No, I'm just another Democratic supporter of the Democratic President at Democratic Underground. |
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mcablue (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Again, you are the one who seems to contradict what most DU'ers advocate |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Have you seen the number of DU members lately? Guess not, or else you wouldn't be touting that poll |
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mcablue (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Then you should have said that, instead of bringing the "Im a typical DU'er and you're not" argument |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. lol! I never said that, dear. You accused Obama supporters here of being "100% water-carriers". |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. If you never support Democrats here |
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mcablue (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. I support Dean regarding healthcare and many things Kucinich says about many things |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:21 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. So you support the passage of the Senate HCR bill? Oh, and Dean's been working with the WH, too. |
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mcablue (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Like Dean, I have to see the fixes first |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. You don't understand how it works, do you? The Senate bill has to pass BEFORE conference. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
63. it couldn't possibly be for the same reasons that so many, many others are also disillusoned? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #63 |
93. Polls show 85%-90%+ of self-identified Democrats approve of Pres. Obama's job performance. |
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mcablue (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. When was the last time I callled Obama a "corporate sell-out"? |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Yeah, don't even think about it. |
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mcablue (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I thought you would tell me when was the last time... |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Can't read my mind..that's good. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
42. I think this post qualifies |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
61. Well, well, well, looky here.. no good in trying to deny the undeniable. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 09:16 PM Response to Reply #42 |
69. Bingo! |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 02:10 AM Response to Reply #42 |
84. Uhh, the emphasis is mcablue's, the words are Greenwald's. You're using a quote of someone else... |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #42 |
90. Looks like someone doesn't undertand that highlighting text MEANS YOU AGREE WITH IT!! |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
76. We all want to fight to restore the public option. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
7. Feingold also got busy with a committee on investigating |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
40. That is his job. He chairs the Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. Yeah, he's a great grandstander and good at pointing fingers. |
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O is 44 (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
17. So our new hero here is Feingold? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
21. Did Feingold help pressure Lieberdork? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. I never hear a peep out of Feingold against his fellow Senators, esp. his "good friend" McCain. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
28. So? Dean, Sen. Sanders, SEIU's Andy Stern & others say the WH has been working hard at passing HCR. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
29. I sure hope Feingold challenges Obama in primaries |
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O is 44 (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Yeah good luck with that |
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Alenne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
45. Feingold should get a public option bill passed in the Senate |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
55. We've learned Obama won't fight for anything |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Yeah, that's why Dean praised Obama's hard work at trying to getting HCR passed this morning on MTP |
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m448 (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. he |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Get real..Who should vote against it? |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Yeah, if "we" listen to that slop on the left wing blogs |
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O is 44 (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. No what is disappointing is your |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. yeah, luckily for him he never really did any of that |
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O is 44 (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Worked so well with Clinton... |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 10:52 PM Response to Reply #67 |
74. so Clinton failed, so what? that means NO president EVER can get |
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Baltoman991 (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #55 |
72. Disappointing? |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #72 |
94. "You don't like him, you never liked him" |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
65. Lieberman wouldn't have cared |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. A big ol' ugly one. |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
68. I'll admit that I think that he didn't really FIGHT for it |
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Alenne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Well said nt |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Thanks |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
75. Feingold like many DUers, DISAGREES with FACTS. B/c it is a fact Obama fought for a PO. n/t |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Evidence? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 11:11 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. It is based on faith! |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 05:22 AM Response to Reply #78 |
87. I'm really tired of your stupid statements. Considering there is enough evidence to know. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 08:40 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. The only evidence we have is of statements later contradicted. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 05:20 AM Response to Reply #77 |
86. Every single speech and townhall dating back since February/March. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 08:42 AM Response to Reply #86 |
89. He backed off almost immediately. By August it was a "Sliver." |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 11:40 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. Here are a few references where Obama specifically addressed the need for a Public Option |
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