This mother fucker is CLUELESS!!! about race

[bigdarryl]

MY GOD!!! no wonder the wingnuts love him he's a black man who doesn't understand racism as it relates to African Americans he thinks everything is good related to African Americans http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/186379-cain-racism-doesnt-hold-blacks-back

[eleny]

1. He validates their mythology?

[ChillbertKChesterton]

16. People believe that being racist only means stating "I believe X race is genetically superior to Y"

That's a sign of a racist.

The statistics on race in this country show a dramatic picture of how wealth, jobs, education, and opportunities are stratified along race lines. Ignoring institutional and societal racism (which is different from personal racism, and therefore often goes unconsidered) is an easy way to imply without saying that some races are just lazier, stupider, or generally worse than others.

Ask any conservative: "If institutional racism doesn't exist, and the only factor in a person's success is their own abilities and hard work, what does the fact that blacks have 1/20th the net worth on average as whites? how do you explain that?"

The answer will always be subtly or not-so-subtly racist.

[shraby]

2. He doesn't even realize that his success was due to the

civil rights movement and the affirmative action rules. He might not have used it to go to college, but the reason he was able to was due to the new rules and regulations.

[bigdarryl]

3. Good point speaking to a lot of black people in my circle that is why they

are upset and don't like this guy because his coward ass sat on the side lines during the 60's Civil Rights and now he Benefited from the Civil Rights error to have a business and to run for President. And now he;s talking this pull yourself up by your boot straps shit

[Balbus]

7. So you're saying that it's impossible for a black man to find success on his own...

Interesting take. And a racist one.

:puke:

[Supersedeas]

10. it's a very fine line

[hlthe2b]

12. that isn't what they are saying. NO one's success comes in a vacuum.

No matter the race, ethnicity, or gender of a person. Everyone builds on the efforts and sacrifices of those who came before them. EVERYONE.

[ChillbertKChesterton]

17. It also comes from the efforts and sacrifices of working-class people all around them today.

No rich person who earns their wealth through production can become rich without people driving trucks for their company, mopping their floors, building the highways they transport their goods on, delivering the mail they conduct business with, ect. ect.

[hlthe2b]

18. Absolutely!

:thumbsup:

[shraby]

19. You know that's not what I meant, but if the Civil Rights

movement had not occurred, how many could have pulled themselves up by the bootstraps when they had none? It was a positive force helping to equalize things.

[Empowerer]

23. That's not what they're saying at all!

[Muskypundit]

25. ? Not impossible. Just harder, for institutional reasons a black man cant change. Or ignore.

[hlthe2b]

4. He is simply an opportunist..

selfishly stepping on the shoulders (and graves) of those who, through courageous actions, gave him the opportunit­ies he now relishes, while denouncing others who actually continue the fight for equality. While I respect his achievemen­ts, they were not obtained without the sacrifice of many many others, which he refuses to acknowledg­e. It is hard not to have contempt for him for that reason alone.”

[Empowerer]

6. I agree completely.

I don't fault him for not participating in the civil rights movement. People made choices then and he made his and I'm not mad at him for it.

What I DO have a problem with is the fact that he has benefitted tremendously from the actions of those who DID participate yet he not only pretends that he got where he is solely because of his own hard work and ingenuity but he also spits on the efforts of others who fought to pave the road he is walking on. That is despicable.

[Supersedeas]

26. There was a collective effort to open those doors, though he took the initiative to walk

through them. The collective efforts of many are often overlooked in the name of narrow ideology, as are the singular efforts of those who strive to prove their own points through action and example. Ideology seldom abides broader credit outside of ideology or the singular example of individual endeavors. So, I hear where you are coming from.

You certainly sound mad when you suggest that Cain spits on the efforts of others. In his autobiography, Cain does credit many others who aided in his success growing up in Atlanta. While I do not think that all of his opinions on race are valid, his experience as a black man ought to count for something. Given the credit that Cain has credited to others, the imagery of him spitting on the efforts of others seems misplaced. In many ways, Cain's accomplishments are truly remarkable and are but one example of much a black man can achieve once the doors of opportunity are open, but more importantly, how far this nation can go. His politics are another matter.

[Jakes Progress]

5. He's not clueless. He knows.

He is callously using it to make money. There is nothing to compare him to that isn't an insult to whatever that thing is.

[Enrique]

20. his campaign is about making money

he's a male Sarah Palin.

[OneGrassRoot]

35. I agree. He knows exactly to whom he's pandering with his schtick. n/t

[AtomicKitten]

8. I think he should keep talking. His mouth will knock his dumb ass out of the race.

[Hutzpa]

9. Throw him more shovel so he can keep digging. n/t

[ladywnch]

11. of course, he's a 'self made man' who got where he is 'all on his own'

with no help from anyone. He doesn't see race. See, he's *above* all of that.


:boring::boring:

[craigmatic]

13. Black conservatives don't have to be sells outs though a good percentage of them are.

[uponit7771]

31. EXACTLY!! The ones I know don't believe in conservative ideals at all, the practice liberal ones...

...in private

[Number23]

14. Holy hell...

"People sometimes hold themselves back because they want to use racism as an excuse for them not being able to achieve what they want to achieve.”

People HOLD THEMSELVES BACK??!! :wow:

[ChillbertKChesterton]

15. Black Americans have 20 times less net worth than White Americans

Over 1 in 4 black americans are in poverty.
Over 1 in 5 lack health insurance.


Denying institutional racism is a form of racism.


The implication of the pure bootstraps mythology is that the reason blacks aren't as well off in the US is because they are less hard working, less intelligent, or some other personal factor.



A person's success is a combination between how they use their skills to climb the social ladder, as well as how good of a ladder is available to them from the conditions of their birth. It takes far less work and personal achievement to overcome a poor upbringing and become rich than it does to be born into money and remain rich.

[demigoddess]

21. it is a version of the Stockholm syndrome.

identify with the oppressor.

[Skittles]

22. he is a REPUKE WHORE

HELLO!!

[cherokeeprogressive]

24. Saying a black man born in 1945 is CLUELESS about race is like saying Ray Kroc

was clueless about marketing.

I'm sorry, I understand that Cain is to be bashed because he's running for Barack Obama's job, but I mean come on...

You're saying that you believe Herman Cain has NEVER been subjected to institutional racism?

And Bill Cosby is what... clueless as well?

[Empowerer]

27. I don't think he's clueless - he has a clue

But he IS a craven opportunist who long ago decided to get in the short line.

[onpatrol98]

28. I have no problem with Herman Cain.

I just don't want him as president. I have no problems believing his parents told him NOT to participate in civil rights protests. I have no doubt many parents did for the safety of their children. Perhaps some out of their beliefs for a better tomorrow defied their parents, supported the struggle anyway and now people like me benefit from their sacrifice. And, perhaps some parents were out there with their children. As a child of the 70s, I just don't know. But, it wouldn't be a surprising thing for a father with sons to say, stay away and stay out of trouble. It's just what parents do. I don't think that makes him a coward.

I think what bothers me is the fact that many of us don't like the fact that Herman Cain is a republican simply because he's black. So much so, I know many who were cheering Lawrence O'Donnell on as he attempted to put Herman Cain down because he didn't do "enough" for the struggle for black people.

I can't personally fathom why he identifies with republican policies. But, he does. He's a successful black man who happens to be a republican. I like that. He doesn't have to be who white or black democrats want him to be. He just gets to be a black man doing his own thing.

I want my children to see black people in every political party and flavor. And, eventually to just seem them as people. It's makes my skin crawl a little bit when someone like Lawrence O'Donnell licks his chops at trying to tell a black man he's not helping black people enough.

One part of me actually wouldn't mind Herman Cain winning the republican nomination. Two black men vying for the presidency. Now...for my black sons. That would be awesome. So, that one day, it would just be something that happens. See, boys. We're everywhere. Our voices are heard, everywhere.

In fact, I think the black community has been a cheap date for democrats for too long. Our unemployment numbers were horrible long before any recession hit. But, as long as you're a sure thing, who bothers to ask you what you need in order to win your vote.

I don't advocate voting for Herman Cain. But, if he were to win their nomination, I'd love to hear the conversations. Perhaps, he and President Obama can compare notes on what they've done for the struggle.

[uponit7771]

30. Obama isn't a black man? If so how have blacks been a "cheap date" when dems offer oppurtunities....

...and don't have racist political policies like the "southern strategy"

[onpatrol98]

32. Not sure I understand your post...

Obama is a black man. Democrats assume we are a sure vote. No matter who they present for our consideration, they assume we'll say yes. That's playing us for cheap. We had a good candidate in President Obama. But, they assume we'll continue to vote for them, regardless as to whether or not they address the needs of our communities. Republicans know that we won't vote for them. So, they don't try to reach the black community. I personally believe that over time, politicians take you for granted, if they can offer you nothing and still get something for it.

Politicians, by nature, seek votes where they "need" to. If this economy was still affecting ONLY poor blacks and Hispanics, I don't think you'd sense the nervousness among politicians that we see today. It's because now the suffering is spread amongst many stakeholders that true concern has emerged. People have always lost homes and jobs. Unemployment has always been intolerably high in poor communities. And, yet, politicians of all political stripes kept talking the same talk.

But, today, the economy is so bad. It affects us all. And, politicians are nervous. As they should be. Why is every politicians seeking after Independents? Because they are unsure as to which way they'll go. So, they'll pander and attempt to please the group that forces them to. If pandering means a tax break, a new law or regulation, they'll do it. If a needed constituency they need, would prefer they overlook or ignore a law or two, I think they would do it. But, if they don't have to worry about your vote...you're doomed and no longer considered.

A vote is still one of the most powerful voices, a people can have in the US. I don't think it should be taken lightly.

As for the opportunities Dems have offered many black communities, it hasn't been much. Unfortunately, Republicans offer nothing. So, the benchmark is quite low. Many of our children are trapped in poorly performing schools where they dodge bullets, etc to get to school. These are communities that have done poorly regardless of who sits in the White House. No jobs isn't a new phenomenon in many communities. There is still and has always been a lot of suffering.

[Supersedeas]

38. Many Republicans from Ken Blackwell to Michael Steele to Ron Christie and Herman Cain feel the same

way.

JC Watts would have to disagree that the bench mark is quite low.

When you say that Democrats assume the "we" are a sure vote, that "we" won't vote for Republicans and that "our" children are trapped in poorly performing schools, aren't you also just as easily referring to JC Watts community, or Michael Steele's community, or Allen West's community...or dare I say it, even poor white communities. The logic on this issue seems to be all over the place.

None of the above substantiates the suggested Democratic attitude toward blacks....cheap, really!!?!! Cheap relative to what exactly? Cheap relative to the politics of Allen West?

In so much as the Democratic Party pays lip service to the progressive agenda, then maybe--but that in no way narrows the issue to black communities only.

[oasis]

33. Hmmm, sitting on the sidelines while others took part in the big struggle

Then put down those who continue in the struggle by characterizing them as "brainwashed".

Cain's only contribution to society is to provide us with another example of a 21st Century "sellout".

[Supersedeas]

36. the black community has been a cheap date for democrats for too long?

[WI_DEM]

29. Cain is another Clarence Thomas--they both profited by affirmative action and other

measures but don't want anybody else to do so.

[oasis]

34. Dr. Cornell West advised Cain to "put away his symbolic crackpipe".

:rofl:

[JuniperLea]

37. Brother Clayton Bigsby strikes again!

How long before he claims his family owned slaves?